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Partisan Hate Is Becoming a National Crisis

I was on another forum for over ten years including both Obama elections. On the day after each I wrote a post congratulating my Dem friends, acknowledging the nation had spoken and it was time to bury the hatchets. On his first election I wrote that those on the right should refrain from judgement until Obama had time to form his government and make his plans known. So, naturally, in 2016, I expected something similar from one of my left wing friends. Total zero. Nothing. If anything, the hostility stepped up.

For three years or so before the 2016 election a group of us, lib and con alike got together three or four times a year for pizza and beer. Lots of fun and some good friendships formed. A liberal lady and I even began seeing each other. But shortly after the election, she took to insulting and attacking me on the forum and in emails. It got so bad I had to directly ask her to not email or text me anymore. I am still friends with a couple of the other posters from that forum, by the way.

I can't deny this hasn't had an effect on me. I realize I definitely have far less patience with ideological diatribes or mindless Trumpophobia.

I've followed politics since the JFK era. I wasn't old enough to vote for him but his enthusiasm, patriotism and foresight was inspiring.

I also grew up believing that libs and cons both had the same vision for this country; we just had different paths to get there. I don't believe that anymore. I still believe in the "I may abhor what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" But, it's getting much more difficult.

I'm fearless and I'm scared to death for my country.
 
Bullseye said:
I was on another forum for over ten years including both Obama elections. On the day after each I wrote a post congratulating my Dem friends, acknowledging the nation had spoken and it was time to bury the hatchets. On his first election I wrote that those on the right should refrain from judgement until Obama had time to form his government and make his plans known. So, naturally, in 2016, I expected something similar from one of my left wing friends. Total zero. Nothing. If anything, the hostility stepped up.

For three years or so before the 2016 election a group of us, lib and con alike got together three or four times a year for pizza and beer. Lots of fun and some good friendships formed. A liberal lady and I even began seeing each other. But shortly after the election, she took to insulting and attacking me on the forum and in emails. It got so bad I had to directly ask her to not email or text me anymore. I am still friends with a couple of the other posters from that forum, by the way.

I can't deny this hasn't had an effect on me. I realize I definitely have far less patience with ideological diatribes or mindless Trumpophobia.

I've followed politics since the JFK era. I wasn't old enough to vote for him but his enthusiasm, patriotism and foresight was inspiring.

I also grew up believing that libs and cons both had the same vision for this country; we just had different paths to get there. I don't believe that anymore. I still believe in the "I may abhor what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" But, it's getting much more difficult.

I'm fearless and I'm scared to death for my country.
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In 2009, maybe six months after the inauguration, I told my RW buddy (up until about 2006, I used to be conservative) that I voted for Obama. He acted like I spat in his face. I haven't spoken to him since.
 
eohrnberger said:
The legitimacy of the election results are already history.
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You are falsely confusing a LEGAL election with a LEGITIMATE election. The first is a determined fact made by the Electoral College. The second is a personal finding by each citizen.
 
calamity said:
In 2009, maybe six months after the inauguration, I told my RW buddy (up until about 2006, I used to be conservative) that I voted for Obama. He acted like I spat in his face. I haven't spoken to him since.
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By then Obama had demonstrated his far left lean. I kept my LW friends. Sorry about your buddy.
 
Bullseye said:
By then Obama had demonstrated his far left lean. I kept my LW friends. Sorry about your buddy.
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It is revealing that people who are on the left considerate Obama to be a moderate and not a leftist.
 
Bullseye said:
By then Obama had demonstrated his far left lean. I kept my LW friends. Sorry about your buddy.
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Obama never went Left. That was obvious. It's also why he kept losing support.

I don't miss my buddy. I realized he was stupid.

BTW: He ended up leaving his wife and kids so that he could go bar hopping and ho'ing. Family values at work.
 
haymarket said:
You are falsely confusing a LEGAL election with a LEGITIMATE election. The first is a determined fact made by the Electoral College. The second is a personal finding by each citizen.
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Word have meaning (someone somewhere along the line said that).
le·git·i·mate
adjective
/ləˈjidəmət/
  • conforming to the law or to rules.
    "his claims to legitimate authority"[/COLOR]
    synonyms:legal, lawful, licit, legalized, authorized, permitted, permissible, allowable, allowed, admissible, recognized, sanctioned, approved, licensed, statutory, constitutional, within the law, going by the rules, above board, valid, honest, upright;



You appear to be trying to make a distinction where none exists.

Perhaps the word you are looking for is 'accepted'?

As in 'some personally don't accept the legitimate election of Trump' ?
 
nota bene said:
I will have to disagree. I have never in my life seen such ugly divisiveness--eagerness for others' careers and lives to be ruined and such determination to see the very, very worst in those whose opinions are contrary.
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Never in my life, either. I am still having a hard time wrapping my head around the hatred. Oh, the Left will whine about how Obama was attacked, but it doesn't even come close to the daily barrage of hate toward Trump and every single person associated with him or conservative or Republican.
There is a growing epidemic of hate crimes against Trump supporters and an agenda to shut down down and shut them up, by any means necessary.
 
Bullseye said:
I was on another forum for over ten years including both Obama elections. On the day after each I wrote a post congratulating my Dem friends, acknowledging the nation had spoken and it was time to bury the hatchets. On his first election I wrote that those on the right should refrain from judgement until Obama had time to form his government and make his plans known. So, naturally, in 2016, I expected something similar from one of my left wing friends. Total zero. Nothing. If anything, the hostility stepped up.

For three years or so before the 2016 election a group of us, lib and con alike got together three or four times a year for pizza and beer. Lots of fun and some good friendships formed. A liberal lady and I even began seeing each other. But shortly after the election, she took to insulting and attacking me on the forum and in emails. It got so bad I had to directly ask her to not email or text me anymore. I am still friends with a couple of the other posters from that forum, by the way.

I can't deny this hasn't had an effect on me. I realize I definitely have far less patience with ideological diatribes or mindless Trumpophobia.

I've followed politics since the JFK era. I wasn't old enough to vote for him but his enthusiasm, patriotism and foresight was inspiring.

I also grew up believing that libs and cons both had the same vision for this country; we just had different paths to get there. I don't believe that anymore. I still believe in the "I may abhor what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" But, it's getting much more difficult.

I'm fearless and I'm scared to death for my country.
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I remember praying for Obama's safety. I had concerns about our first black President and I prayed he and Michelle would always stay safe in public. Now the Left wished harm to come to Trump and have said horrific things about his family.
I've never seen such hostility and eagerness to do harm.
 
calamity said:
Obama never went Left. That was obvious. It's also why he kept losing support.

I don't miss my buddy. I realized he was stupid.

BTW: He ended up leaving his wife and kids so that he could go bar hopping and ho'ing. Family values at work.
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Maybe not from your view, but he definitely went left from his carefully managed "post-partisan" aura. Maybe you don't remember saying wisdom and solutions were not partisan attributes and he would listen to everybody. That lasted until January 21, 2009.
 
haymarket said:
It is revealing that people who are on the left considerate Obama to be a moderate and not a leftist.
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Back then we I asked what they didn't like about Obama the most common answer from LW posters was "He's not liberal enough".
 
Bullseye said:
Maybe not from your view, but he definitely went left from his carefully managed "post-partisan" aura. Maybe you don't remember saying wisdom and solutions were not partisan attributes and he would listen to everybody. That lasted until January 21, 2009.
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If Obama had gone hard Left, he would have nationalized the Banks when he had the chance, he would have bailed out homeowners, and kids with student loans. He also would have rallied with OWS instead of opposing them.

Obama certainly would not have made Tim Geithner Sec of Treas. or Monsanto Vilsiac Sec of Ag. Na, Obama was a corporatist, just like all the rest. The exact opposite of Left.
 
calamity said:
If he went hard Left, he would have nationalized the Banks when he had the chance, and he certainly would not have made TIm Geithner Sec of Treas.
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LOL, I'm not going to play your silly "I he had gone left he would have . . ." games.
 
nota bene said:
"Partisan Hate Is Becoming a National Crisis"
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Come, let us reason together, showing respect for all and malice toward none.
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Too late; partisan hate started right after Trump's election , fueled by the liberal media world-wide.
The start of hate geared at Trump and his supporters was a well-organized global "initiative".

Just think reasonable for a moment: how many times have there been protests and riots in the US of A when another country elected a president some of us did not like?


"Following Trump's election to the presidency, students and other activists organized larger protests in several major cities across the United States, including New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, Portland and Oakland. Tens of thousands of protesters participated,[56][57][58] with many chanting "Not my president!" to express their opposition to Trump's victory in the Electoral College (He lost the popular vote by a margin of 2.1 percent).[59] Protests were also held in Canada, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, the Philippines, Australia and Israel with some continuing for several days, and more protests planned for the following weeks and months. ..."

Protests against Donald Trump - Wikipedia


Sorry, but this is an organized hate from the left ... and the left will never ease off from their hate. Just look at the responses on this thread ... (grin)
 
eohrnberger said:
Word have meaning (someone somewhere along the line said that).
le·git·i·mate
adjective
/ləˈjidəmət/
  • conforming to the law or to rules.
    "his claims to legitimate authority"[/COLOR]
    synonyms:legal, lawful, licit, legalized, authorized, permitted, permissible, allowable, allowed, admissible, recognized, sanctioned, approved, licensed, statutory, constitutional, within the law, going by the rules, above board, valid, honest, upright;



You appear to be trying to make a distinction where none exists.

Perhaps the word you are looking for is 'accepted'?

As in 'some personally don't accept the legitimate election of Trump' ?
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Why are you omitting important definitions of the word in question?

from Merriam Webster

legitimate adjective
le·​git·​i·​mate | \ li-ˈji-tə-mət \
Definition of legitimate (Entry 1 of 2)
1a : lawfully begotten
specifically : born in wedlock
b : having full filial rights and obligations by birth
a legitimate child
2 : being exactly as purposed : neither spurious nor false
a legitimate grievance
a legitimate practitioner
3a : accordant with law or with established legal forms and requirements
a legitimate government
b : ruling by or based on the strict principle of hereditary right
a legitimate king
4 : conforming to recognized principles or accepted rules and standards
a legitimate advertising expenditure
a legitimate inference
5 : relating to plays acted by professional actors but not including revues, burlesque, or some forms of musical comedy
the legitimate theater
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#4 allows for each citizen to make their own determination based on if they see accepted rules or standards enforced and applied.

As you may know, the popular vote and Th.e electoral vote may clash - producing in the mind of the citizen a person who legally occupiers the White House but who holds it illegitimately holds it.

The fact is we have a system from the 1700s which runs counter to the sacred principle of Lincoln - a government of the people, by the people and for the people.

In addition, not a single one of the meetings of the Electors fulfilled their responsibilities and duties as explained by Founding Father Alexander Hamilton in Federalist 68.

Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention.
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Not one meeting of electors has been found to even discuss the chief threat to our system. Not a one.
 
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haymarket said:
Why are you omitting important definitions of the word in question?

from Merriam Webster



#4 allows for each citizen to make their own determination based on if they see accepted rules or standards enforced and applied.

As you may know, the popular vote and Th.e electoral vote may clash - producing in the mind of the citizen a person who legally occupiers the White House but who holds it illegitimately holds it.

The fact is we have a system from the 1700s which runs counter to the sacred principle of Lincoln - a government of the people, by the people and for the people.

In addition, not a single one of the meetings of the Electors fulfilled their responsibilities and duties as explained by Founding Father Alexander Hamilton in Federalist 68.
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I'm not. You called into question what the word 'legitimate' means, I provided an accurate definition for you.

Now you flip and squirm, and try to redefine the meaning of word 'legitimate'. You should stop. It's unbecoming.
 
eohrnberger said:
I'm not. You called into question what the word 'legitimate' means, I provided an accurate definition for you.

Now you flip and squirm, and try to redefine the meaning of word 'legitimate'. You should stop. It's unbecoming.
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You provided a PARTIAL definition. I provided a more complete one for you taken from an authority on definitions and the meaning of words.

The conferring of the word LEGAL is something the law does.LEGITIMACY is something conferred by each citizen.

The reality is that the system we have is constantly at risk of having an illegitimate person occupy the White House since it goes against a sacred principle of government. And that does not even take into account the role of Comey in the last weeks of the campaign nor that of Russia interfering on behalf of Trump.
 
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haymarket said:
You provided a PARTIAL definition. I provided a more complete one for you taken from an authority on definitions and the meaning of words.

The conferring of the word LEGAL is something the law does.LEGITIMACY is something conferred by each citizen.

The reality is that the system we have is constantly at risk of having an illegitimate person occupy the White House since it goes against a sacred principle of government. And that does not even take into account the role of Comey in the last weeks of the campaign nor that of Russia interfering on behalf of Trump.
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Still butthurt you didn't get your way I see.
Keep up the rationalization gymnastics. It's fun to watch.

Per you definition expanded definition: 4 : conforming to recognized principles or accepted rules and standards

The election and its results were in fact 'conforming to recognized principles or accepted rules and standards'.

Many didn't like it when Obama was elected. At least the vast majority of those were adult enough not to have a total and complete mental meltdown over it.
Can't say that for the TDS club. Gone totally mental you all have.

The down side is that this is far more irritating to watch, and be forced to live through, than it is fun.
 
SheWolf said:
America is in decay. I do not plan on living out the rest of my life here, and it's not just because of Trump and modern politics. America and the people are never focused on the right things or goals, issues that impact us all. Instead the people are divided and conquered, while money and corruption run the system. I have ran figures and done the math. I will retire better outside of the US.

I also just did my taxes, and I lost over 5000 in deductions. My taxes went up, for what, corporations and the wealthy.

I really don't know why people are allowing this to happen in America.
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I don't know what YOUR taxes were, but I can tell you this.

I fall into the 3rd Tier of tax income ($51,800 - $82,500).

Under Trump's tax cut my withholdings were $1,592.00 less than the year before (did you calculate this?), and with the new standard deduction I also get a refund of $1,042.00.

That is a net gain of $2,634.00 in my pocket.

I am certainly not alone.

Perhaps THAT is why many people are "allowing it." :shrug:
 
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SheWolf said:
I try to not engage in it in real life either, but it's hard to not see other people do it and things go wrong. My family is deeply divided by many factors, and it does impact how we spend the holidays.

I believe you are deeply troubled by the division, but I am trying to understand why if it's not affecting your personal life. Does that make sense?
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I love my country. I have been active in politics since my childhood and am a responsible citizen. Sure, politics means partisanship, but I've never seen anything like this vicious, corrosive atmosphere. It's not enough to beat someone at the ballot box; no, it's scorched-earth about everything.
 
bongsaway said:
If it's about individual character, the GOP has demonstrated individual accountability is no longer a part of being a republican. If that's not true, tell me how some on the right twist themselves into knots defending our president. How do the so called religious folks support a ***** grabbing serial lying person? How do fiscal conservatives not see the debt of the country rising? The tax breaks for the rich when he told us the middle class would get the biggest benefits of his tax cuts. The bigger, better, health care he told us we would have in place of the affordable care act. The wall that mexico is paying for and on and on. Let me be clear, it's not both parties. Until the republicans get their heads out of their rear ends and stop voting for people whose agenda is to pass laws to hurt the poorer parts of our society while enriching the already wealthy, there will be no compromise. Republicans used to bad mouth the dems and the dems hid their heads in fear. Now they fight back and people complain about our society being polarized. I blame republicans and make no bones about it.
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In your first nine words, you demonstrated that you don't understand what "individual" means.
 
Geoist said:
While both sides can share blame, that blame is definitely NOT equal. Who is the Democrats' equivalent to Trump? Who is the pathological liar, the narcissist, the egotist who cannot help but put him/herself up on a pedestal or play the victim card every time they talk? Who is the one who constantly uses dog whistles intended for the extreme (and sometimes violent) right, only to back down later and say, "I was just kidding!" Democrats/liberals have their share of low-lifes/egotists for sure. None of them are on this level of insane.
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You've just demonstrated here what part of the problem is, the blame-casting. We need to be trying to find ways to work together.
 
Acadia said:
Never in my life, either. I am still having a hard time wrapping my head around the hatred. Oh, the Left will whine about how Obama was attacked, but it doesn't even come close to the daily barrage of hate toward Trump and every single person associated with him or conservative or Republican.
There is a growing epidemic of hate crimes against Trump supporters and an agenda to shut down down and shut them up, by any means necessary.
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All any of us can do is not be part of the problem, to not respond in kind, and it's important to acknowledge that there is plenty of hatred (and contempt and disgust) to go around.
 
nota bene said:
I love my country. I have been active in politics since my childhood and am a responsible citizen. Sure, politics means partisanship, but I've never seen anything like this vicious, corrosive atmosphere. It's not enough to beat someone at the ballot box; no, it's scorched-earth about everything.
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Then you weren't around in the 60's and 70's. This is child's play compared to that era. Here it seems bigger than it is due to social media and cable TV where if the president farts CNN reports he is having intestinal problems and bring on their doctor to explain why we should invoke the 25th amendment.
 
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