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In America, talk turns to something unspoken for 150 years: Civil war

poweRob said:
Hell the U.S. pulled this ****. Remember Poppy Bush pushing us into the Gulf War with "Saddam's troops are in Kuwait and taking babies out of incubators and throwing them onto the cold floor!"

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And don't forget "Son of Incubator Baby" - Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, also known as "Curveball", an informant that cooked up the story that he had worked as a chemical engineer at a plant that manufactured mobile biological weapon laboratories as part of an Iraqi weapons of mass destruction program.

The only defense for which is the fact that Saddam Hussein did in fact make numerous false claims about having massive stockpiles of WMD's, and perhaps he should have admitted that he had destroyed them.
It could be argued either way, that (A) Dubya's insistence on cherry picked manufactured intel from Curveball, or (B) Saddam's own nonsensical claims are the reasons we went back into Iraq, or some mixture of both, in which case Saddam fell victim to his own outsized hype.

But make no mistake about it, the stories of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction were pimped and pumped relentlessly.
 
ataraxia said:
This is quite an ironic statement considering that Trump literally rose in the polls on the shtick of Obama having a secret Kenyan birth certificate. We weren’t going to believe what his top people were finding on it, remember?
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I think the embarrassment of how the right acted during the Obama years causes them to pretend they never happened.
 
SCrider said:
I think the embarrassment of how the right acted during the Obama years causes them to pretend they never happened.
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Yes. What do they call this in psychology? Was it projection, or transference?
 
j-mac said:
KKK was/is leftist.

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Now there's some stunningly ignorant and failed historical revisionism.
So you're saying that the Klan and the Nazis went to the WRONG RALLY back in Charlottesville?

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There is not going to be a civil war, just Trump's war on civility.
 
danarhea said:
That is total bunk. Background checks? You betcha. Do I want criminals or the mentally ill to legally obtain weapons? Hell no. I have guns, including an AR-15. I did Brady background checks to get them, and my AR-15 is registered. Do I feel threatened that the government is going to take my guns away? Not at all. Paranoia will destroy 'ya.
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Fact! Do some research.

You lied on the 4473?
 
apdst said:
That depends on how far th communist-democrats go with thei agenda.

They already passed a background check bill. Since it's unenforcable, the next step with be registration, then...confiscation.
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Total nonsense and you know it. No one is confiscating anything. They didn't under Obama or under Clinton. So spare me. Our firearms are safe. You just have been had.
 
Obscurity said:
Total nonsense and you know it. No one is confiscating anything. They didn't under Obama or under Clinton. So spare me. Our firearms are safe. You just have been had.
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There are democrats that want to nuke citizens of the republic if they don't surrender their firearms.
 
Vern said:
Jade Helm 2.
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For the record, I live slightly more than a quarter mile from the Walmart in Pico Rivera which was mentioned numerous times during the Hysterical Summer of Jade Helm Nonsense.
I can literally walk over a small four lane bridge, go three more blocks and it is right there on the left side of Washington Boulevard. The Walmart is right there. It was indeed "closed for six months" and Walmart claimed it was for either "renovation" or "plumbling problems".
The truth was, Walmart shuttered a bunch of "problem stores" for six months as a punitive measure.
The stores they selected turned out to be, in their estimation, hotbeds for union organizing activities.
They closed the stores as a punitive measure, and any returning employee was re-screened to see if they had sympathy for organized labor before being rehired.

You might recall that Alex Jones and several other CT pundits insisted "that shuttered Walmart stores would be used for "guerrilla-warfare staging areas and FEMA processing camps" and that corresponding Wal-Marts in West Texas were also supposedly closed for six months for "renovation." "That's what they want you to believe. The truth is these Wal-Marts are going to be military guerrilla-warfare staging areas and FEMA processing camps for political prisoners." "The prisoners are going to be transported by train cars that have already been equipped with shackles"http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-ne...ere-are-trains-with-shackles-on-them_04292015.

According to the screeching RW CT nutjobs, work was going on to create underground tunnels to transport political prisoners.

I went there about two or three times a week and was live streaming to my Facebook page, searching for the massive quantities of dirt that would be a product of tunneling operations, looking for FEMA or military equipment or personnel, searching for weapons stockpiles or Homeland Security personnel.

A friend of mine who is an amateur radio guy, who was thrown out of his house by his wife, even parked his RV in the parking lot and lived there. He never saw anything either, beyond a friendly and somewhat sympathetic security guard.

PS: We never saw any plumbing contractors either and one Pico Rivera City employee smirked, saying Walmart had never pulled any permits related to "plumbing". Simply put, the store and the parking lot were pretty much EMPTY the whole time.

No Jade Helm, no Obama, no FEMA, no military, no political prisoners and there don't seem to be any underground tunnels either.
 
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The timeless strategy of divide and rule is being played out in post-First Cold War America by an entrenched political and economic oligarchy against populist movements of all stripes and political orientation. The common enemy of the demos is still the surveillance and security complex of the corporatist state and its allies in the mass media and public relations sectors. Populist activists (both benign and malign) and their grass-roots organisations on all sides are being infiltrated, radicalised and atomised in order to make them politically impotent, in order to protect a preferential status quo which benefits the few at the expense of the many. Independent journalism and peer-to-peer social media communication which can reach wide audiences are under attack because they cannot be controlled by the oligarchy. A militarised police state is under construction to coercively neutralise the demos if the divide and rule strategy breaks down. The military is training in urban warfare in case the the militarised police state cannot handle a politically awakened and activist demos.

The civil war is not hypothetical. It is real and going on in the minds and hearts of Americans right now. Americans are being divided into smaller and smaller ideological islands by mass media and social media induced radicalisation in order to create an archipelago of mutually-hostile political islands which is easier to rule by the overarching oligarchy and its real (human) and legal (artificial) elites. What has not been made clear is the civil war is not between left and right, not between conservative and progressive, not between black, brown or white, not between globalist and nationalist, not between us and them; but is between the would-be rulers and the soon-to-be-ruled.

The game has changed from "the manufacturing of consent" by a near-monopoly of mass media conglomerates to "the manufacturing of dissent" in order to disable democracy, cooperation and populism which threaten the status quo.

Thus dies democracy.

Cheers?
Evilroddy.
 
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A 'civil war'? Over race? Really? Black Americans are more prosperous today than at any other time in history. Latino Americans are enjoying the lowest unemployment rates in history. More minorities are in college, starting business, and have the opportunity for prosperity than at any time in history.

No...we arent on the verge of any 'civil war'. We do have a bunch of assholes desperately intent to create the idea that the country is on the verge of civil war to try to exploit fear for political gain, but this is nothing new. It is page one of the Democrat party Handbook. Exploit race. Create fear in senior citizens. Cry gender victimhood. Foment class warfare.

And seriously...whether you give the credit to Obama for 'creating' the economic growth or Trump, you cant deny that despite the soup line of leftist economic experts that predicted Trump would destroy the country, the country ahs managed to continue to thrive economically under him. So...what choice do they have BUT to try to fabricate hatred to run on? Certainly not ideas. Certainly not on successful socialist economic models.
 
JustHanging said:
Cult is a powerful thing, and Trump has certainly created one. No matter what he does, no matter how disgusting or dangerous his words and actions, his base defends him. According to his actions Trump believes his base is largely composed of racists:

Fox News, NBC, and Facebook pulled Trump's racist campaign

Trump's Midterm Closing Argument: Pure Racial Fear

So, if we assume Trump knows his base, it appears that the USA is right back to square one: Those who want to keep black and brown skinned people subservient, and those who do not.

It resulted in a civil war 150 years ago, and I suspect it could result in one again. I base that on many of the posts I've read on this forum, it's clear that some Americans are going to stand against the racism Trump is using to foment his base.

Hail Trump: White nationalists mark Trump win with Nazi salute - BBC
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Before lynching the 35 to 45 percent of the American voters who routinely support Trump as Nazi saluting white nationalists, and Trump as using racial fear, why don't we engage in a few thought experiments ?

I'm curious:

Suppose a 13,000,000 illegal Canadians were a population that imported violent gangs into the US, including drug networks and murderers. Would it be "racist" to fear their illegal entry, and "racist" to prevent their illegal entry?

Suppose 13,000,000 illegal Canadians had a right to use American schools, drive legally, obtain some forms of social benefits, and competed against other unskilled Americans, including black and Hispanic Americans, for jobs (while lowering their wages) would it be "racist" to wish to deport them?

Suppose 13,000,000 illegal Canadians were illiterate and needy, and likely to spawn another generation of American citizens who will use welfare disproportionately, be only marginally better educated, and have 8 times the crime rate of the first generation of migrants, would it be racist to want to prevent it by securing the border and limiting immigration?

Finally, was it racist to have opposed Italian and/or Sicilian immigration, especially illegal immigration, because of fear of organized crime?

How does anyone KNOW that the primary motivation of Trumps supporters are racist, rather than naturally untrusting, xenophobic, class prejudicial, or simply deserved antipathy?

Inquiring minds would like to know.
 
j-mac said:
So, Is this where we are at? Is this what we want? Brother, against Brother? Citizen, agains Citizen? How many will have to die? How would it be waged? Is it going to be a real war, or metaphorical?

Thoughts?
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Neo-COnfederates have been pushing it for years.
 
Captain America said:
The thought of a bloody civil being fought in America is just to stupid to even ponder. :roll:

But, it is true the "culture war" will escalate. But Americans won't take to the streets or turn brother against brother. They prefer to "blog."

Sticks and stones.....

One side of the cultural battleground stockpiles, I would guess, 80% of the weaponry among our population. The other side of the cultural battleground can't decide which bathroom they should use.

The numbers on one side of the culture divide are dwindling and their soldiers are aging and dying off. The numbers on other side of the culture divide are growing and they are screwing like rabbits.

My advice is to adapt and improvise. Oh, and blog. :peace
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I beg to differe and whish it weren't so. In my life I have never seen the lavel of outright hate in America.

I have even tamped down how much I see and hear because I can't take the negativeism along with stories of children being slain, black kids being shot by cops and the city involved becomes a war zone for the summer.

More than anything is the rhetoric of the right. In here and other sites I see the hatred, numerous posts whishing injury or death of people with whom they disagree.

I know countries where there is strife, political and economic, for years Canada was one of them, three decades of one group wanting t separate which at one time became violent, what we would call "terrorists" today took hostages and killed British Trade Comission James Cross; martial law was declared, reference Canada, October Crisi 1970.

But I have never before seen the level of hate there is today. FFS even Trump has "casually" mentioned things like "maybe the second amendment people should look into it".

I would say the US is closer to civil war than it has been since 1861, perhaps even more. However it isn't defined along state lines, but you have two nations who hate each other.

Since starting forums I have found it extraordinary that neither side can see or admit its own mistakes. The American right is totally discredited. They began defending the presidents comments way back when they had little significance. But they dug in on petty, stupid things like the size of his inauguration, while whittling away their own integrity.

I closing, the "cause" of this has been 30 years of 'get even' politics, punishing the out party only to be punished when the pendulum swings, and the fighting grows more intense
 
Evilroddy said:
The timeless strategy of divide and rule is being played out in post-First Cold War America by an entrenched political and economic oligarchy against populist movements of all stripes and political orientation. The common enemy of the demos is still the surveillance and security complex of the corporatist state and its allies in the mass media and public relations sectors. Populist activists (both benign and malign) and their grass-roots organisations on all sides are being infiltrated, radicalised and atomised in order to make them politically impotent, in order to protect a preferential status quo which benefits the few at the expense of the many. Independent journalism and peer-to-peer communication is under attack because it cannot be controlled by the oligarchy. A militarised police state is under construction to coercively neutralise the demos if the divide and rule strategy breaks down. The military is training in urban warfare in case the the militarised police state cannot handle a politically awakened and activist demos.

The civil war is not hypothetical. It is real and going on in the minds and hearts of Americans who are being divided into smaller and smaller ideological islands by mass and social media radicalisation in order to create a political archipelago of hostile islands which is easier to rule by the overarching oligarchy and its real (human) and legal (artificial) elites. What has not been made clear is the civil war is not between left and right, not between conservative and progressive, not between globalist and nationalist, not between us and them but is between the would-be rulers and the soon-to-be-ruled.

Thus dies democracy.

Cheers?
Evilroddy.
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Correct that last part to "the elitist haves and have-nots" and you have something there. But not the whole story.

Globalism in corporate clothing represents a plantation style 21st century form of soft fascism, a sort of "corporate cosmology" the kind which Arthur Jensen pushed on Howard Beale in his "You have meddled with the primal forces of NATURE" speech that he thundered to a frightened old television crackpot in the dimly lit boardroom in the movie "Network".

And in that case, in that instance, that war is already over and done with. The human side lost, the individuals lost.

All that remains is the class struggle to keep the despair quotient at bay, to retain or revive a small piece of upward mobility that is the right of every man or woman who works hard at their job every day, no matter what it might be.
That IS the liberal side, the left...the mainstream left.

We don't want to talk of nationalism, do we? What is nationalism? It's an attempt to position hatred against other nations, to justify death and destruction of others using defense of one's homeland as an excuse.
Ahhhh, nationalism, when simple love of country and ordinary red-blooded patriotism is NOT ENOUGH.
That is the extreme alt-Right, the Trumpian Republican right.

And what of the ordinary mainstream conservatives?
In today's America...they are and have been cut adrift for nearly a decade, only some of them won't admit it yet.
They were first given their walking papers in 2010 by the Tea Party.
 
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