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Ilhan Omar's AIPAC Tweet is Proven 100% Correct by DP's own Posters

ryzorsden said:
The antisemitics on the right are the most dangerous, wouldn't you agree?

All Omar did was talk about money in politics and referenced AIPAC.

Not let me ask you this, why is it totally off limits to criticize the jewish lobby/Israel without being labeled an anti-semite. You have proven a point i make often that people who criticize Israel are quickly blanketed with the anti-semite label. Just like you may criticize people who are quick to dub others racists, I criticize those who jump on the anti-semite label.

The only people I will quickly jump and label anti-semites carry Nazi flags and shoot up Jewish centers.

And I don't believe in the global jewish hegemony theory. The fact of the matter is that AIPAC donates a lot of money to candidates. And Omar pointed it out. Which is true. It's not anti-Semitic, it's just a fact.
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Yes, she focused on Israel, and used money as the supporting argument for her criticism. If you're Jewish, this stuff really isn't new. And as I said, regardless of whether or not you identify with the Jewish Hegemony theory, you force me into a catch-22 by either disputing your assertion regarding AIPAC donating to candidates, or agreeing that they do engage in some form of lobbying. Perhaps a better question would, so what if they engage in lobbying?

As for whether an antisemite is more dangerous if he is on the left or right, I'll let Emily Burack writing for the Jerusalem Post field this one:

3. What about the American Jewish community?

That’s the eternal question, isn’t it?

For many American Jews, it feels like you have to choose between what manifestation of antisemitism you fear the most. Is it the newly empowered “alt-right,” rising white supremacy and the increasing number of hate crimes? Or do you fear the growing anti-Israel left, which wants to delegitimize the only Jewish state? Partisan politics makes it feel like American Jews have to choose, when in reality, American Jews can — and do — feel impacted by both. We can be heartbroken over Pittsburgh and frustrated by the leadership of the Women’s March.

And then, there’s the internal politics of being an American Jew, aka the widening split within the liberal American Jewish community regarding Israel, which centers on one question: Is being supportive of Israel still a central tenet of American Jewish identity? Or is being “pro-Israel” — however you choose to define that — becoming a less important part of voting as an American Jew?

If it’s the former, Omar’s comments are deeply upsetting and reinforce the idea that the Democratic Party’s views on Israel are drifting too far left. If it’s the latter (the “Israel isn’t important to me” camp), then Omar is simply representing the progressive view of the pro-Israel movement and being unfairly criticized for it.
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The Ilhan Omar antisemitism controversy, explained - Diaspora - Jerusalem Post
 
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ryzorsden said:
6. No. Not even close. What she said was the truth. AIPAC has a lot of money. ANd they use that money to dis-proportionally influence US policy. In politics, its all about money. It's the truth.
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I would look at the entire history of her statements, not the post-uproar 'clarification'. Politicians have a way of walking things back when they went too far, but I'd assess the validity of an apology with caution.
 
ryzorsden said:
Defending Israel is cornerstone to Republicans.

They're militaristic, vicious, and religious. However, the reason for their defense is the insane evangelical logic that if all the jews return to Israel they will magically turn Christian! Republicans are so stupid.

Omar did nothing wrong.
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Well, defending Israel is a cornerstone to most Democrats too. They are even going so far as to admonish Omar with a House resolution. So, if you defend Omar you are in a very small minority.
 
Somewhere along the line, it became taboo to criticize Israel in any way whatsoever. They have managed to completely control our government and media in their favor. No matter what they do, we are supposed to support them or be labeled anti-semitic. Personally, I am not a big fan of Israel and consider Zionism to be one of the worst movements in history. They could fix their own problems by creating one state with full participation and equal rights for one and all. But then they would no longer be Zion would they?
 
Vadinho said:
Somewhere along the line, it became taboo to criticize Israel in any way whatsoever. They have managed to completely control our government and media in their favor. No matter what they do, we are supposed to support them or be labeled anti-semitic. Personally, I am not a big fan of Israel and consider Zionism to be one of the worst movements in history. They could fix their own problems by creating one state with full participation and equal rights for one and all. But then they would no longer be Zion would they?
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Funny how all the people who ever whined about "not being able to criticize Israel without being called antisemitic" turn out to be antisemites who don't believe the Jewish people have a right to self determination.
Israel has equal rights already, you're just ridiculously ignorant.
 
Apocalypse said:
Funny how all the people who ever whined about "not being able to criticize Israel without being called antisemitic" turn out to be antisemites who don't believe the Jewish people have a right to self determination.
Israel has equal rights already, you're just ridiculously ignorant.
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The Jewish state was created out of the detritus of WW2. There was no right to self-determination for European Jews, they did not even live in the area after the war so give me a break. They had less of a right to it then the people who lived there that is for damn sure. As for equal rights in Isreal, there is one right they will never give the Palestinians which is at the core of Zionism. The right of return. I am sick of cowtowing to them because they might call us antisemitic. They exist because Truman and the UN let them exist. They owe us a hell of a lot more then we owe them. The concentration camps were in Europe not the USA.
 
RobertU said:
The gun lobby spends money to influence politicians.
Of course.
The oil lobby spends money to influence politicians.
Yeah.
The health care lobby spends money to influence politicians.
What else is new?
The pro-Israel lobby spends money to influence politicians.
SHUT UP, YOU ANTI-SEMITE!
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And in bringing it up, what would a person's point be? That each of these lobbies are special interests working against common good, especially the lobby of those "dual loyalist" Joooosss?

Sorry, your posture of innocence does not convince.
 
maxparrish said:
And in bringing it up, what would a person's point be? That each of these lobbies are special interests working against common good, especially the lobby of those "dual loyalist" Joooosss?

Sorry, your posture of innocence does not convince.
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It was brought up because of the laughably dishonest and pig-ignorant assertion that criticizing Israel is anti-semitic.

Glad I could clear that up for you.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
It was brought up because of the laughably dishonest and pig-ignorant assertion that criticizing Israel is anti-semitic.

Glad I could clear that up for you.
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You missed the point. I wasn't asking (rhetorically or otherwise) why the analogous comparison was made by the poster, I was rhetorically asking WHY would think ANY of those analogous statements can be made innocently, without their implication of wrong doing?

No they can't.
 
Vadinho said:
The Jewish state was created out of the detritus of WW2. There was no right to self-determination for European Jews, they did not even live in the area after the war so give me a break. They had less of a right to it then the people who lived there that is for damn sure. As for equal rights in Isreal, there is one right they will never give the Palestinians which is at the core of Zionism. The right of return. I am sick of cowtowing to them because they might call us antisemitic. They exist because Truman and the UN let them exist. They owe us a hell of a lot more then we owe them. The concentration camps were in Europe not the USA.
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Spare us the antisemitic nonsense, Jews formed a state in their homeland, where Jews have lived for over 3,000 years, you have no right to deny a people their right to a homeland and Jews owe you nothing and you're not speaking on behalf of anyone. There is no such right as "the right of return", it's an Israeli law that allows Jews to return to Israel otherwise no one would grant them that right just like no one grants that to the Germans who were expelled from Sudetenland, you're extremely ignorant.
 
Apocalypse said:
Spare us the antisemitic nonsense, Jews formed a state in their homeland, where Jews have lived for over 3,000 years, you have no right to deny a people their right to a homeland and Jews owe you nothing and you're not speaking on behalf of anyone. There is no such right as "the right of return", it's an Israeli law that allows Jews to return to Israel otherwise no one would grant them that right just like no one grants that to the Germans who were expelled from Sudetenland, you're extremely ignorant.
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Boy, you really know very little about this topic it seems. None of what I said is antisemitic at all. This is a great example of my point which is that sometime since 1967, criticism of Israel now equates to antisemitism. The effort they put into lobbying us has worked spectacularly.
 
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