Finley; New face of anti-semitism is black

Manc Skipper said:

Trump might be famous, but he's neither liberal or black. Fail.

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What trump is......is a renegade democrat. I’m long past the point where I believe politicians actually believe in the positions they “currently” hold.

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Dutch said:

You may be right. I honestly don’t know enough about that religion to make that assertion.

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There is no lack of sites with translation of quotes from the Koran and the hadiths. I claim no great expertise on Islam though residence in two Islamic states, Iran and Kuwait, created an interest and wide reading. Two things I will state with confidence: Islam is much more than simply a religion and is highly political, secondly that the desire of such bodies as Hamas and Hizbollah to kill Jews simply because they are are Jews is far from untypical.

Naive Western pols who think they are progressing towards the famous "Two State Solution" wilfully ignore the professed aim of the Islamic world that there will be only one state, and that will be - to adopt a useful German word from the 1940s - Judenrein.

Dutch said:

I'm not one of them. You are free to argue the alt right is preferable to the alt left but I find little to choose between them.
Uhhh, no.

Ilhan Omar and the Myth of Jewish Hypnosis
A conspiracy theory with ancient roots and a bloody history.

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You said "uh, no" when I said the far left was anti-Israel, not anti-semitic, and then linked to an article saying that the far left is anti-Israel. I don't really see a difference of opinion on this matter. She's a new representative - of which there are many - and has expressed an interest to learn about the historical anti-Israel and anti-semitic viewpoints that have never really gone away.

Mustachio said:

You said "uh, no" when I said the far left was anti-Israel, not anti-semitic, and then linked to an article saying that the far left is anti-Israel. I don't really see a difference of opinion on this matter. She's a new representative - of which there are many - and has expressed an interest to learn about the historical anti-Israel and anti-semitic viewpoints that have never really gone away.

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No. Ilan Omar is anti semitic. She's dealings in stereotyping Jewish people.

from my article

.....The conspiracy theory of the Jew as the hypnotic conspirator, the duplicitous manipulator, the sinister puppeteer is one with ancient roots and a bloody history. In the New Testament, it is a small band of Jews who get Rome — then the greatest power in the world — to do their bidding by killing Christ. Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor, speaks to the Jews about Jesus in the book of John: “Take him yourselves and judge him according to your own law.” But the Jews punt the decision back to Pilate: “We are not permitted to put anyone to death.” And so Pilate does the deed on their behalf. In the book of Matthew, the implications of this manipulation are spelled out: “His blood is on us and our children,” the Jews say — a line that has been so historically destructive that even Mel Gibson cut it from his “Passion of the Christ.”..

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Dutch said:

No. Ilan Omar is anti semitic. She's dealings in stereotyping Jewish people.

from my article

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So you think that Ilhan Omar believes that there is a secret Jewish lobbying effort even though she was talking about a not-at-all-secret lobbying effort by the AIPAC and the JDC. Where are you getting these conclusions from?

I don't think anybody cares about this. She was talking about Israeli lobbyists, not "Jewish people." Israel and Judaism are connected but not one in the same. I said that I think she isn't very well versed in the history of foreign policy as it relates to the Israel-Palestinian conflict, but painting her as an anti-semite for doing a really sophomoric job voicing her opinion about our backing of Israel and their lobbying efforts in congress is a reach. And it's pretty irrelevant. I didn't praise her or agree with her, Democrats didn't praise her or agree with her, the tweet was "it's all about the Benjamins, baby." Put that all together and you don't get much. Minnesota has one of the highest number of Jewish citizens as a percentage of population. It's not a big deal.

Mustachio said:

So you think that Ilhan Omar believes that there is a secret Jewish lobbying effort even though she was talking about a not-at-all-secret lobbying effort by the AIPAC and the JDC. Where are you getting these conclusions from?

I don't think anybody cares about this. She was talking about Israeli lobbyists, not "Jewish people." Israel and Judaism are connected but not one in the same. I said that I think she isn't very well versed in the history of foreign policy as it relates to the Israel-Palestinian conflict, but painting her as an anti-semite for doing a really sophomoric job voicing her opinion about our backing of Israel and their lobbying efforts in congress is a reach. And it's pretty irrelevant. I didn't praise her or agree with her, Democrats didn't praise her or agree with her, the tweet was "it's all about the Benjamins, baby." Put that all together and you don't get much. Minnesota has one of the highest number of Jewish citizens as a percentage of population. It's not a big deal.

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Yeah, good luck with that.

The Democrats' Anti-Semitism Problem Isn't Going Away | RealClearPolitics

.....But the best way to gauge whether people are merely being critical of Israel's policies or they are being critical of the existence of the Jewish state is to use Natan Sharansky's "3D" test: 1) Do they engage in "delegitimization" of the nation's existence as does every supporter of the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement? 2) Do they engage in "demonization" of the country as do people who claim that Israelis hypnotize the world for evil and that they go around murdering children for kicks? 3) Do they engage in "double standards" -- for example, having an obsession with Israel and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee while ignoring illiberalism found throughout the Islamic world and ignoring such things as Muslim concentration camps in China?....

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So fresh so face.

Dutch said:

The new face of anti-Semitism in America is increasingly black, liberal and famous.

So......what do you guys think?

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I think that's an incredibly stupid comment to make.

MrWonka said:

Really? I haven't seen him. I'm 36, fairly connected and in tune with the media,

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Are you? Hmmm...here's Farrakhan sharing a stage with a former U.S. President not that long ago. Also there are many prominent leftists and lefty groups that won't denounce him.