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    Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Small-government Republicans have long insisted that federal workers do very little that's essential — that most are paper-pushers collecting larded up paychecks and absurdly generous benefits in return for loyalty to the Democratic Party (through both votes for Democratic candidates and union dues that reliably end up lining party coffers). Focusing on the suffering of these employees during the shutdown, however humane it might be, tacitly confirms this narrative by making it look like the primary concern of the Democratic Party is the plight of federal workers rather than the good of the country as a whole. That's politically perilous for Democrats.

    It would be far smarter for Democrats to focus on the important, and often essential, work these employees do. They aren't just mindless cogs in an impersonal, gargantuan machine spreading irritating regulations and pointless red tape as part of a political racket. They're doing the vitally important work of managing numerous aspects of our endlessly complex modern lives, providing essential services to tens of millions, and protecting ordinary Americans from a wide array of risks and hazards.

    When the government does this vital work, we all benefit. When the work goes undone, we all suffer.
    https://theweek.com/articles/816867/...tdown-showdown

    This is of course correct, but then again the Democrats have long proven that they can bungle anything.... competence is not their thing.
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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    https://theweek.com/articles/816867/...tdown-showdown

    This is of course correct, but then again the Democrats have long proven that they can bungle anything.... competence is not their thing.
    The Dems are doing just fine, so far most people blame Trump for this shutdown. The only ones really blaming the dems are his base.
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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Praxas View Post
    The Dems are doing just fine, so far most people blame Trump for this shutdown. The only ones really blaming the dems are his base.
    This is not about who is to blame for the shut down, this is about whether the Washington D's care about the right things.....it is about the quality of their judgment.
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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    This is not about who is to blame for the shut down, this is about whether the Washington D's care about the right things.....it is about the quality of their judgment.
    I think their judgement is spot on.

    If you went to the garage to get your muffler fixed, and they try to sell you a new engine, would you go for it? That's what this wall is - an expensive "solution" that won't fix the problem. Why should anyone spend money on that?
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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    https://theweek.com/articles/816867/...tdown-showdown

    This is of course correct, but then again the Democrats have long proven that they can bungle anything.... competence is not their thing.
    One of the worst attempts to spin Trump & Republican caused damage onto Democrats in some time.
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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    This is not about who is to blame for the shut down, this is about whether the Washington D's care about the right things.....it is about the quality of their judgment.
    Oh it's clear Trump doesn't care about the right things. If he wanted to REALLY combat illegal immigration he would have been pushing for E-Verify to be mandated and employers to get heavy crushing fines for violations. The Dems are right that Trump manufactured a "fake" crisis and they are right in fighting this. So yeah, it DOES matter who is to blame and the people will hold Trump and the Republicans accountable for it in 2020. You better get used to that REAL quick.
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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Praxas View Post
    The Dems are doing just fine, so far most people blame Trump for this shutdown. The only ones really blaming the dems are his base.
    If you’re more concerned with who people blame for the problem than solving it then you are the problem.

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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    If you’re more concerned with who people blame for the problem than solving it then you are the problem.
    If Trump wanted to solve the problem, there are better ways to do that cost less and are more efficient as I laid out above. Trump only wants the wall because he touted it and that "Mexico would pay for it" for over 2.5 years. Not because it's the best, cost efficient and most effective option which it is nowhere near.
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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    https://theweek.com/articles/816867/...tdown-showdown

    This is of course correct, but then again the Democrats have long proven that they can bungle anything.... competence is not their thing.
    Where as Trump has shown his concern for the important work those people do by shutting down the govt

    More like McConnell is blowing Trump so he does not get primaried when he runs for re-election in 2020
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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Praxas View Post
    If Trump wanted to solve the problem, there are better ways to do that cost less and are more efficient as I laid out above. Trump only wants the wall because he touted it and that "Mexico would pay for it" for over 2.5 years. Not because it's the best, cost efficient and most effective option which it is nowhere near.
    This is only about politics not a demonstrable need for the same barrier extension Democrats advocated for 5 years ago.

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