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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So its about "wasting time" is it? That must be the most foolish thing I have ever heard. What is Congress doing in their 4 day work week that is more important that opening the govt.?
    The Senate won't vote on a bill that won't pass, and they won't pass a bill that the Prez won't sign.

    Simple politics.
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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    The Senate won't vote on a bill that won't pass, and they won't pass a bill that the Prez won't sign.

    Simple politics.
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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    This is only about politics not a demonstrable need for the same barrier extension Democrats advocated for 5 years ago.
    They didn't, but you'll keep pushing this nonsense talking point on every thread apparently.

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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    The Democrats introduced and advocated for the passage of a bill that granted $4.5 billion to DHS for the express purpose of implementing border control strategy including barrier extension plus an additional $1.5 billion to be allocated specifically for the purpose of barrier extension in the Tucson, Rio Grande and Laredo sectors. So why are you lying?
    McConnell can bring that bill in its entirety up for a vote, get it passed with an agreement from Trump to sign it and you'll have a decent point. In the meantime, separating one part of a bill and ignoring all the rest is just mindless drivel.

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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    In a way I agree with the OP. It has been lost in the news cycle that the idea of building one big wall is not supported by most security experts. When democrats argue that workers are being hurt they are unintentionally ceding ground on that issue. Not only is this harmful for hundreds of thousands of government employees, but it truly is just a vanity project. There needs to be more focus on legitimate border security and more effort put into not allowing Trump to pretend like this is a moral battle. He is very good at turning the conversation away from the ineffectiveness of the wall and democrats can't allow that to happen.

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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    The Senate won't vote on a bill that won't pass, and they won't pass a bill that the Prez won't sign.

    Simple politics.
    Because McConnell has forgotten that the Senate is a coequal branch of Govt. not a part of the executive.
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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Praxas View Post
    Oh it's clear Trump doesn't care about the right things. If he wanted to REALLY combat illegal immigration he would have been pushing for E-Verify to be mandated and employers to get heavy crushing fines for violations.
    How is that going to work when you libs love your sanctuary cities and states? Christ you harbor illegals thus the illegals come running to your sanctuaries to be protected. And then you have to take care of them with finding them jobs, hell the illegals have to work in your sanctuaries, and you have to provide food stamps, health care, housing, a cell phone, etc etc. to keep the illegal population working and taken care of.

    The Dems are right that Trump manufactured a "fake" crisis and they are right in fighting this.
    That is exactly why you liberals have your sanctuaries, to protect the illegals and all the illegal criminals.

    So yeah, it DOES matter who is to blame and the people will hold Trump and the Republicans accountable for it in 2020.
    Your idea of illegal aliens is you protect them with your sanctuaries, and you don't want a wall to assist from keeping illegals out of our country. Instead you want a LINE IN THE SAND instead of a wall so that all your illegals and illegal criminals can just walk over the line in the sand instead of having to work to get over a barrier. Thousands of illegals and illegal criminals an rush over your line in the sand without apprehension.
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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    https://theweek.com/articles/816867/...tdown-showdown

    This is of course correct, but then again the Democrats have long proven that they can bungle anything.... competence is not their thing.
    Shhhushhhh. Or you’ll expose them for what they are.

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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    They're not doing just fine in the polls.
    Anywhere from 31% to 35% blame congressional Democrats.
    The majority do blame Trump though possibly because he admitted he owns it?
    Really? 35% of Americans approve of a President shutting down the government to make Congress fund his project?
    What a bizarre take on how government should work.
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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    They're not doing just fine in the polls.
    Anywhere from 31% to 35% blame congressional Democrats.
    The majority do blame Trump though possibly because he admitted he owns it?
    Interestingly I saw a poll by the wapo posted here that it's about 50% that say trump should be given funding for the wall. That in includes people who dont think a wall is the right solution. That is a number that should concern democrats.

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