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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    The Democrats introduced and advocated for the passage of a bill that granted $4.5 billion to DHS for the express purpose of implementing border control strategy including barrier extension plus an additional $1.5 billion to be allocated specifically for the purpose of barrier extension in the Tucson, Rio Grande and Laredo sectors. So why are you lying?
    And that proves me right, it was no where NEAR the scope, cost and length of the wall Trump wants. So what exactly are you saying?
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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    I say if that is the hill they choose to die on, let them. When the nation is flooded with unskilled, hard working, hungry, no baggage Latino workers, we are at the same time switching over to more and more automation because the American workforce is too expensive.

    Then when the democrats give amnesty to the 25 million or so new citizens, they will be chronically unemployed and on social services because the need for low skill workers will be hard working, hungry, baggage carrying American's pushed out of factories by automation.

    I will be too old to GAF by then.
    I've already said the Dems and the Reps (including Trump) are not interested in REALLY addressing illegal immigration. If they were, E-Verify would be mandated and employers caught hiring illegals would be given business ending crushing fines for violations of it.

    The wall is nothing but symbolic nonsense because Trump touted it for 2.5 years saying Mexico would pay for it.
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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    "It's Trump's fault" has pretty much lost it's sting, when Trump is blamed for everything under the sun.
    The sun is shining in CA. this morning.
    Trump's fault.

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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Praxas View Post
    Yeah and those 31% to 35% are Trump's base. They will blame Dems for anything. The majority DO blame Trump because this shutdown is on him.
    Wrong. Recent polls say Americans blame Democrat by a margin of 31-35%.


    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...wn-blame-game/

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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    Wrong. Recent polls say Americans blame Democrat by a margin of 31-35%.


    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...wn-blame-game/
    Trump's base is around 35%. so no, not wrong.
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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Praxas View Post
    And that proves me right, it was no where NEAR the scope, cost and length of the wall Trump wants. So what exactly are you saying?
    No it doesn’t. Trump is only asking for $5 billion. The Democrats were willing and advocated to commit $6 billion just 5 years ago.

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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    ALL budget discussions in congress come down to compromises on funding different projects. Considering democrats refuse to negotiate on an item that they themselves have both touted AND voted for in the past on numerous occasions, its impossible to avoid the reality of who still owns the shut down.

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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post

    No it doesnít. Trump is only asking for $5 billion. The Democrats were willing and advocated to commit $6 billion just 5 years ago.
    Why didn't the GOP house provide the funding when they had control?

    Why does Trump only do this the moment the Dems are set to take power?



    Doesn't take a genius to work out the real "why". You lot just love the show. You want to waste a pile of money on a wall. Even if it were 100% effective - and it will never be - it would only target 25% of current illegal immigrants. Of course, things like ropes, ladders, shovels, and the like have existed for thousands of years. And of course if that path really was shut down, they'd just find another.

    You are advocating for the dumbest possible way to address illegal immigration. You choose that route because you know you're least likely to get it and if you get it it won't solve the problem, so you will always be able to wield it as a red meat issue against the Dems.....


    ...Mr. "liberal" lean.

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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    Why didn't the GOP house provide the funding when they had control?

    Why does Trump only do this the moment the Dems are set to take power?



    Doesn't take a genius to work out the real "why". You lot just love the show. You want to waste a pile of money on a wall. Even if it were 100% effective - and it will never be - it would only target 25% of current illegal immigrants. Of course, things like ropes, ladders, shovels, and the like have existed for thousands of years. And of course if that path really was shut down, they'd just find another.

    You are advocating for the dumbest possible way to address illegal immigration. You choose that route because you know you're least likely to get it and if you get it it won't solve the problem, so you will always be able to wield it as a red meat issue against the Dems.....


    ...Mr. "liberal" lean.
    Iím not advocating for this to solve for illegal immigration. Iím advocating for this to solve for humanitarian issues created by exploitation of gaps in the barrier. It doesnít matter why the GOP didnít do it. What matters is that Trump wants it regardless of what Republicans or Democrats think. Just because you canít solve for every possible scenario doesnít mean you shouldnít solve for any scenario. The gaps in the existing barrier are one such scenario easily solved for. People can maneuver around it, but theyíre no longer going to be led through a gaping hole by a predatory smuggler to be left to die in the Sonora Desert by the hundreds every year.

    I donít care why Trump wants it. The fact is the need to complete this barrier doesnít have an existential dependency on Donald Trumpís opinion of Mexicans. Thatís why Democrats supported and advocated to do just that for over 20 years before people suddenly developed selective amnesia about that fact.

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    Re: Democrats are blowing the Shut-Down

    I have been hearing stories about how it hurts the workers AND about how it hurts the important work they do, like aircraft inspections and food safety inspections and e-verify functioning and airport terminals closing due to lack of TSA personnel...
    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Scott, from The Office, describing my feelings on the Trump Presidency ;)
    It feels like somebody took my heart and dropped it into a bucket of boiling tears. And, at the same time, somebody else is hitting my soul in the crotch with a frozen sledgehammer. And then, a third guy walks in and starts punching me in the grief bone. And Iím crying, and nobody can hear me. Because I am terribly, terribly, terribly alone.

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