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    Dissecting the presidents speech

    I would like to go over trumps speech in full to see where the truth and the lies are. paragraph by paragraph..... or more accurately a couple paragraphs at the time. Please chime in in what you think is an outright lie, or an incorrect statement. Please refrain from personal bull**** and focus on the discussion. thank you.




    The President’s Speech




    PRESIDENT TRUMP: My fellow Americans, tonight I’m speaking to you because there is a growing humanitarian and security crisis at our southern border.
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    Every day, Customs and Border Protection agents encounter thousands of illegal immigrants trying to enter our country. We are out of space to hold them, and we have no way to promptly return them back home to their country. America proudly welcomes millions of lawful immigrants who enrich our society and contribute to our nation, but all Americans are hurt by uncontrolled illegal migration.








    I see no falsehoods or lies in this first paragraph, do you? in the next half hr or so I will post the next portion of the speech to see if we can find lies or misinformation.




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    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: Dissecting the presidents speech

    Nope. But its already being spun by at least one author at Wapo as Trump should have said "hundreds" instead of "thousands" even though in the same paragraph the author cites that statistically in fiscal year 2018 1000 people entered the US illegally per day.

    Fact-checking President Trump’s Oval Office address on immigration

    “Every day Customs and Border Patrol agents encounter thousands of illegal immigrants trying to enter our country.”

    Southern border apprehensions in fiscal 2018 averaged 30,000 a month (or 1,000 a day). They ticked up in the first two months of fiscal 2019, but it’s a stretch to say “thousands” a day. Better to say “hundreds.

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    Re: Dissecting the presidents speech

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I would like to go over trumps speech in full to see where the truth and the lies are. paragraph by paragraph..... or more accurately a couple paragraphs at the time. Please chime in in what you think is an outright lie, or an incorrect statement. Please refrain from personal bull**** and focus on the discussion. thank you.




    The President’s Speech




    PRESIDENT TRUMP: My fellow Americans, tonight I’m speaking to you because there is a growing humanitarian and security crisis at our southern border.
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    Every day, Customs and Border Protection agents encounter thousands of illegal immigrants trying to enter our country. We are out of space to hold them, and we have no way to promptly return them back home to their country. America proudly welcomes millions of lawful immigrants who enrich our society and contribute to our nation, but all Americans are hurt by uncontrolled illegal migration.








    I see no falsehoods or lies in this first paragraph, do you? in the next half hr or so I will post the next portion of the speech to see if we can find lies or misinformation.




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    I see no glaring falsehoods* but do see the glaring omission of what attracts illegal immigrants and allows between 12M and 20M to remain inside the US. I also see no mention of the percentage of illegal immigrants who entered illegally by crossing the Southern border as opposed to simply never leaving once allowed legal entry to vacation, shop, work or attend school. Border security is but one form of "controlling" illegal immigration.

    EDIT: there is one falsehood in that "thousands per day" is extremely unusual - typically it is "hundreds per day" that attempt to cross the border illegally.
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    Re: Dissecting the presidents speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Nope. But its already being spun by at least one author at Wapo as Trump should have said "hundreds" instead of "thousands" even though in the same paragraph the author cites that statistically in fiscal year 2018 1000 people entered the US illegally per day.

    Fact-checking President Trump’s Oval Office address on immigration
    I mean they're literally right that it's not "thousands," but by politician hyperbole standards this is basically nothing.
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    Re: Dissecting the presidents speech

    "there is a growing humanitarian and security crisis at our southern border."

    There isn't a "growing" crisis. Illegal immigration has been coming down by in large. Things have been getting better. There is a problem still, that needs to be addressed. But it needs to be addressed based on facts. Not this "the sky is falling, mexicans are coming to rape us" Trump mentality.

    You could say that the humanitarian portion of the "crisis" is growing. But that's entirely based on Trumps own decisions. He has enacted policy that only creates confusion and chaos at the border with the purpose of making it so bad to try to be a refugee into america that they won't even try.
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    Re: Dissecting the presidents speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Nope. But its already being spun by at least one author at Wapo as Trump should have said "hundreds" instead of "thousands" even though in the same paragraph the author cites that statistically in fiscal year 2018 1000 people entered the US illegally per day.

    Fact-checking President Trump’s Oval Office address on immigration
    It's spin to give the exact numbers and point out that "thousands" is incorrect? If he's doing a thorough fact check I think it's fair to point out that an average of about 1000 per day is not "thousands" per day. I don't see how that is spinning it.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Dissecting the presidents speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I mean they're literally right that it's not "thousands," but by politician hyperbole standards this is basically nothing.



    wouldn't anything more than a thousand constitute thousands?
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    Re: Dissecting the presidents speech

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    "there is a growing humanitarian and security crisis at our southern border."

    There isn't a "growing" crisis. Illegal immigration has been coming down by in large. Things have been getting better. There is a problem still, that needs to be addressed. But it needs to be addressed based on facts. Not this "the sky is falling, mexicans are coming to rape us" Trump mentality.

    You could say that the humanitarian portion of the "crisis" is growing. But that's entirely based on Trumps own decisions. He has enacted policy that only creates confusion and chaos at the border with the purpose of making it so bad to try to be a refugee into america that they won't even try.



    Disagree the rejected asylum seekers who are now stuck with no way home would also disagree.
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    Re: Dissecting the presidents speech

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    It's spin to give the exact numbers and point out that "thousands" is incorrect? If he's doing a thorough fact check I think it's fair to point out that an average of about 1000 per day is not "thousands" per day. I don't see how that is spinning it.
    Since when is a thousand considered "hundreds" and not included in the category of "thousands"? You're getting hung up on one letter, ya know that right?

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    Re: Dissecting the presidents speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I mean they're literally right that it's not "thousands," but by politician hyperbole standards this is basically nothing.
    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    wouldn't anything more than a thousand constitute thousands?


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