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Socialism Rising: Dems take House pushing massive government expansion

Ikari said:
Social liberalism isn't actually socialism, as socialism revolves around the state controlling means of production and that has not been proposed in any of the plans for things such as expanded healthcare.
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Yes but some certainly don't let pesky facts get in the way - look at the source linked.:shock:
 
Jetboogieman said:
Ah yes.

Back to the Obama era, howling at the moon rhetoric: SOCIALISM!

:eek::eek::eek::eek:
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Well, ya know, elected officials are voted on by the people. People's opinions matter and not some political moral. The Constitution was based more on capitalism than socialism.
 
OlNate said:
U mad, bro? :lol:

C'mon, give socialism a chance. Can't be any worse than your current dog **** president...
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Please tell me who taught you that you were entitled to someone else's money? Guess personal responsibility doesn't resonate in the liberal world nor do the actual economic results currently being generated by This President. You spend way too much demonizing the president and buying what you are told that actual reality doesn't exist in your world
 
ElChupacabra said:
Well on the bright side of things you could say this is evidence of alarmist media proving to be effective.

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Alarmist Media? What is it about liberalism that creates and entitlement mentality where people are entitled to someone else's personal earned income?
 
UtahBill said:
Didn't Reagan do deficit spending?
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No, Reagan generated 60+% growth in Federal Income tax revenue while seeing GDP double. Debt to GDP was 50% when he left office, what was it after Obama left office? You claim deficit spending but don't post any data showing where that deficit spending came from. Suggest you research Tip O'Neil
 
Ikari said:
Trump is pulling of some fine deficit spending as well.
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Since you want to blame Trump for deficit spending, don't you think you should post the line items to prove your statement? It does seem we have to budget challenged liberals here first somehow complaining now about deficit spending when they didn't during the Obama term and two people who don't understand that the 2018 deficit was a 20% increase of the last Obama deficit and was due entirely from interest rate hikes on our 21 trillion dollar debt and entitlement spending increases neither of which Trump had anything to do with.

Keep saying the same thing over and over again about Trump deficit spending doesn't make it true
 
Conservative said:
Please tell me who taught you that you were entitled to someone else's money? Guess personal responsibility doesn't resonate in the liberal world nor do the actual economic results currently being generated by This President. You spend way too much demonizing the president and buying what you are told that actual reality doesn't exist in your world
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No, seriously, there's a socialist rally this weekend in Houston, I'll fly down and drive you myself. Once you get there and try the coffee, you'll be hooked. Socialists make great coffee. I make it my personal responsibility to drink as much of it as I can. Might as well, I'm using your money to buy it. :shrug:

So, are ya with me, bud?? :)

Don't worry, I'm just playing. In fact, I sent Trump a note this very day, thanking him for how well my Apple stocks are doing. After all, finance is like golf - the lower the number, the better you're doing!! Right?
 
Conservative said:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/so...ve-government-expansion-as-party-lurches-left

You historically challenged liberals must be so proud. Socialism in America, that Liberal utopia

Lets stop with the liberal speak of deficit spending. Between this and massive focus on expansion of investigations looks like a get nothing done Congress thanks to a Republican Senate
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The ironic thing is that it may be the most far left socialist/Marxist members of the House that actually help keep in check the damage that a leftist Democratic majority will enact. Pelosi, for example, has apparently offered a list of new rules for the House that includes for example a Paygo provision--the House must 'pay for' any expenditures rather than 'raise the deficit'.

That of course is Pelosi speak for raising taxes and cutting defense. And the far left group such as Ro Khanna and Acasio-Cortez are opposing her on the rules list not because they are opposed to raising taxes or cutting defense, but they don't want any rules getting in their way to push their radical agendas.

We certainly cannot give the Republicans any credit for holding the line on deficit spending, however. A pox on both theirs and the Democrats' houses on that.
 
Conservative said:
Alarmist Media? What is it about liberalism that creates and entitlement mentality where people are entitled to someone else's personal earned income?
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Taxes are the vehicle by which the government generates revenue to operate. Every president Republican or Democrat recognizes that.

Unless you don't like roads, bridges, clean water, etc....

No legit politician has ever proposed taking someones wealth and giving it to someone else.

Gross income and wealth, while related, are not the same thing. In other words, once the government has taxed your gross income, the net remaining is your wealth. No one has ever suggested that the government should dig into you bank account (your wealth) and give it to someone else.

However, if you insist on viewing your gross income as wealth, I wish you good luck in refusing to pay taxes.
 
beancounter said:
Taxes are the vehicle by which the government generates revenue to operate. Every president Republican or Democrat recognizes that.

Unless you don't like roads, bridges, clean water, etc....

No legit politician has ever proposed taking someones wealth and giving it to someone else.

Gross income and wealth, while related, are not the same thing. In other words, once the government has taxed your gross income, the net remaining is your wealth. No one has ever suggested that the government should dig into you bank account (your wealth) and give it to someone else.

However, if you insist on viewing your gross income as wealth, I wish you good luck in refusing to pay taxes.
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Approximately 50% of income earners pay ZERO Federal Income taxes, 40% of all income taxes are paid by the top 1%. Congress takes tax revenue from the 50% or so that pays FIT and uses that money to provide things like healthcare to others. That is wealth redistribution and giving money to someone else for their own personal responsibility issues.

The left continues to believe the rich don't pay enough in taxes but never answers the question about what percentage of ones income should go to Federal, State, and local taxes nor do many understand the true role of the various governments we have. It is also sad that far too many have no idea of the taxes they pay or their purpose. Are you in that category?

Our country was built on a small limited central govt. with neighbor helping neighbor with that neighbor never expected to be a federal bureaucrat. A large central govt. without term limits buys votes by pandering to those who don't pay taxes so my point stands and is spot on
 
Conservative said:
Alarmist Media? What is it about liberalism that creates and entitlement mentality where people are entitled to someone else's personal earned income?
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Well you know, it's the whole "socialists are coming to get you!" hyperbole. If you claim to be against dishonest reporting, this kind of tripe is exactly that. Unfortunately in the age of media everywhere it's the quick soundbites and sparse information content that gets traction. It's not an either/or argument between capitalism and socialism, but what you can take from both to manage a country. Generally speaking of course. It would be nice if we had a more balance news reporting paradigm, but that ship has sailed. Fox creates the content it knows its viewers wants and the other outlets do exactly the same. It's the same reason I don't watch the MSM because the over the top Trump hyperbole is equally repulsive.
 
Conservative said:
Approximately 50% of income earners pay ZERO Federal Income taxes, 40% of all income taxes are paid by the top 1%. Congress takes tax revenue from the 50% or so that pays FIT and uses that money to provide things like healthcare to others. That is wealth redistribution and giving money to someone else for their own personal responsibility issues.

The left continues to believe the rich don't pay enough in taxes but never answers the question about what percentage of ones income should go to Federal, State, and local taxes nor do many understand the true role of the various governments we have. It is also sad that far too many have no idea of the taxes they pay or their purpose. Are you in that category?

Our country was built on a small limited central govt. with neighbor helping neighbor with that neighbor never expected to be a federal bureaucrat. A large central govt. without term limits buys votes by pandering to those who don't pay taxes so my point stands and is spot on
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The tax tables and tax law was set up by the government with the assumption that those below a certain income threshold can't afford to pay taxes.

But really the poor receiving help you don't believe they deserve is only one issue. How about all of those corporate subsidies given to industries that wouldn't be able to stand on their own without government help (which defies the whole concept of free market capitalism). How about wealthy people buying horses and getting tax deductions because they can classify the horses as "therapy horses". How about home owners getting a substantial deduction on their mortgage interest when renters get nothing? How about funding religious schools while public schools get squeezed, etc, etc

There are a million examples of the government using tax dollars for programs that someone somewhere is not going to like.

And the idea of neighbor helping neighbor, while ideal, just isn't realistic in a country of 300 million. The world is very different today on many levels as compared to the 1700's.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Well you know, it's the whole "socialists are coming to get you!" hyperbole. If you claim to be against dishonest reporting, this kind of tripe is exactly that. Unfortunately in the age of media everywhere it's the quick soundbites and sparse information content that gets traction. It's not an either/or argument between capitalism and socialism, but what you can take from both to manage a country. Generally speaking of course. It would be nice if we had a more balance news reporting paradigm, but that ship has sailed. Fox creates the content it knows its viewers wants and the other outlets do exactly the same. It's the same reason I don't watch the MSM because the over the top Trump hyperbole is equally repulsive.
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Dishonest reporting? what do you think class envy, class warfare and jealousy promote. You really haven't been paying any attention to the messages coming out of the Democratic leadership, have you. I grew up a JFK Democrat and he is turning over in his grave seeing the party of Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Warren, Hillary, Waters, Jackson Lee, and how radical the party has become.
 
beancounter said:
The tax tables and tax law was set up by the government with the assumption that those below a certain income threshold can't afford to pay taxes.

But really the poor receiving help you don't believe they deserve is only one issue. How about all of those corporate subsidies given to industries that wouldn't be able to stand on their own without government help (which defies the whole concept of free market capitalism). How about wealthy people buying horses and getting tax deductions because they can classify the horses as "therapy horses". How about home owners getting a substantial deduction on their mortgage interest when renters get nothing? How about funding religious schools while public schools get squeezed, etc, etc

There are a million examples of the government using tax dollars for programs that someone somewhere is not going to like.

And the idea of neighbor helping neighbor, while ideal, just isn't realistic in a country of 300 million. The world is very different today on many levels as compared to the 1700's.
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It isn't that the poor don't deserve or need the help it is who is to provide it, that is a state and local responsibilities but not with today's democrats who buy votes with that federal support creating dependence, that is reality and a reality you don't want to acknowledge. Please tell me what a bureaucrat in D.C. knows about a social problem in small town U.S.A? Stop buying the liberal spin and think?

All I see from people like you is class envy, jealousy. Corporate welfare? Do you realize most corporate welfare comes in the form of corporations keeping more of what they earn not direct checks from the govt.?
 
Conservative said:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/so...ve-government-expansion-as-party-lurches-left

You historically challenged liberals must be so proud. Socialism in America, that Liberal utopia

Lets stop with the liberal speak of deficit spending. Between this and massive focus on expansion of investigations looks like a get nothing done Congress thanks to a Republican Senate
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LOL The Dems have a long way to go before they catch up to the GOP in expanding Govt.

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marke said:
The Bolsheviks have taken over the House and are on target to assassinate the sitting US President.
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Yes you are right Trump is our first half term President. His agenda is toast and he very well may not last out the rest of his lame duck term.
 
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iguanaman said:
LOL The Dems have a long way to go before they catch up to the GOP in expanding Govt.

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Another clueless post without context. You are total waste of time and Civics challenged

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Conservative said:
Another clueless post without context. You are total waste of time and Civics challenged

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You are "challenged" by the truth. See if you can find a GOP President who left office with deficits that were lower than when he came in. You can't.
 
iguanaman said:
Yes you are right Trump is our first half term President. His agenda is toast and he very well may not last out the rest of his lame duck term.
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Democrats should not get their perverted hopes up too high. They must first find a real reason to impeach Trump before they start down that stupid irrational party-line mob-think darkened ungodly road.
 
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