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Was America too slow to free the slaves or is the record pretty good given the plant's history?

DH Kirkwood said:
It was wrong, and always has been; we humans are just a bit slow when it comes to realizing these things.
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seems way too complicated for you. Slavery was not always wrong. It was a step up to Romans. Rather than be killed in battle after you lost you often had the option to be a slave which many took. Animals and humans are not slow unless you judge them by today's standards.
 
DH Kirkwood said:
This country was built upon the foundation of slavery,.
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what you're trying to say is the world was built on a foundation of slavery. shall we attack the world to make it pay??
 
DH Kirkwood said:
As to whether or not it taints this country . . . yes, absolutely.
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so whole world is tainted by slavery and many other things?? Oh dear should we cry about this and commit suicide? Should we feel guilty?
 
DH Kirkwood said:
our beloved forefathers were hypocrites that spoke and wrote about freedom while keeping slaves.
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you mean beloved geniuses who after 1 million years finally set in motion the process by which they, slaves, women, and most recently, 1.4 billion Chinese were freed from libcommieism. Do you understand?
 
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DH Kirkwood said:
Thomas Jefferson even critisized the institution of slavery despite being a slave-owner himself . . . and probably a rapist. No we are absolutely stained by this bull****,
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if we are stained what about the 1 million previous generations who did nothing about freedom?? You should launch an international self-flagellation society! Human's could parade around the planet whipping themselves about how evil their ancestors were!! See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?
 
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DH Kirkwood said:
push for the good ideals that those hypocrites strived for.

Justice delayed is justice denied.
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why call them hypocrites? If they had not stood up for freedom the entire world would still be in chains! Who do you think defeated HItler Stalin Mao Tojo? We could have formed an alliance with them if we had not stood for freedom. Are you learning to grasp this material now?
 
James972 said:
seems way too complicated for you. Slavery was not always wrong. It was a step up to Romans. Rather than be killed in battle after you lost you often had the option to be a slave which many took. Animals and humans are not slow unless you judge them by today's standards.
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My problem with judging everything eclusively in the context of what society deemed appropriate at the time is the same as my problem with liberals who want to ignor social injusitices in other cultures . . . because that's just their culture. As a society, I wish for us to be constantly exaiming ourselves and how we could do better. What we think is right, because everything we've been taught and everyone we know thinks it's okay doesn't actually make it okay.

A modern-day example of my mentality would be my opinion that every modern president save for Carter is a war criminal, or at the very least, responsible for countless deaths that should not have ever occured. Not many people feel this way, and my left-leaning breathren are certainly not likely to feel the same way about Clinton and Obama, but I don't judge these people based on the general consensus of this time of what is right and wrong. I feel that any military action not necissatated by an imminent and real threat is wrong, and that this has always been the case, regardless of whether or not the majority of this time feels that way.
 
James972 said:
if we are stained what about the 1 million previous generations who did nothing about freedom?? You should launch an international self-flagellation society! Human's could parade around the planet whipping themselves about how evil their ancestors were!! See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?
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How about we just acknowledge the past, and try to do better. I don't feel the need to flog myself, because I don't feel personally guilty about the actions of whatever ancestors or forefathers took. It is not my job to atone for the sins of people that are not me, I've got my own moral baggage to deal with. My concern is with now, and how I treat my neighbor. That is my responsibility, nothing more, nothing less.
 
James972 said:
you mean beloved geniuses who after 1 million years finally set in motion the process by which they, slaves, women, and most recently, 1.4 billion Chinese were freed from libcommieism. Do you understand?
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I take the good and the bad when it comes to historical figures. I critisize him, but actually look to Thomas Jefferson as one of the most important figures when it comes to improving the relationship between government and it's people. I can critisize him despite that significance because I'm not a child, do not think like a child, and don't need Thomas Jefferson to be absolutely perfect, do not need to resort to idol-worship in order to acknowledge his significance and brilliance.

Do you understand?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yep. For example.....

"British public opinion was divided on the American Civil War. The Confederacy tended to have support from the elites: the aristocracy and the gentry, which identified with the landed plantation owners, and Anglican clergy and some professionals who admired tradition, hierarchy and paternalism. The Union was favored by the middle classes, the religious Nonconformists, intellectuals, reformers and most factory workers, who saw slavery and forced labor as a threat to the status of the workingman. The cabinet made the decisions. Chancellor of the Exchequer William E Gladstone, whose family fortune had been based on slavery in the West Indies before 1833, supported the Confederacy. Foreign Minister Lord Russell wanted neutrality. Prime Minister Lord Palmerston wavered between support for national independence, his opposition to slavery and the strong economic advantages of Britain remaining neutral.[10]"

"The Confederate States came into existence after seven of the fifteen slave states seceded because of the election of Republican President Lincoln, whose party committed to the containment of slavery geographically and the weakening of slaveowners' political power. Slavery was the cornerstone of the South's plantation economy, although it was repugnant to the moral sensibilities of most people in Britain, which had abolished slavery in its Empire in 1833. "

United Kingdom and the American Civil War - Wikipedia
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This is a summation of what are supposed to be the dominant attitudes, not actual contemporaneous quotes, which is what I asked for. On top of that, you're overlooking one of your own un-bolded sentences:

The Confederacy tended to have support from the elites: the aristocracy and the gentry, which identified with the landed plantation owners, and Anglican clergy and some professionals who admired tradition, hierarchy and paternalism.
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So your statement that the Europeans were as a whole opposed to slavery is incorrect by your own evidence. Nor do any of these summary assertions prove that morality was the only consideration. In fact, there's a separate paragraph detailing that some governmental reps took a "wait and see" attitude regarding the South's ability to prosecute the war.
 
DH Kirkwood said:
As a society, I wish for us to be constantly exaiming ourselves and how we could do better..
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every adult and kindergartener feels the same way. So what?????????????
 
DH Kirkwood said:
I feel that any military action not necissatated by an imminent and real threat is wrong, and that this has always been the case, regardless of whether or not the majority of this time feels that way.
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utterly meaningless. A preemptive strike against the great 20th century liberals: Hitler Stalin Mao Tojo would have saved 200 million lives.
 
Wait, are you insinuating that America has already freed the slaves, like, in the past tense? Really? Listening to how the media, democrats and left wing activists talk on a daily basis about slavery and slavery-related black oppression, you'd swear that there's still a vibrant slave trade in America! After all, many democrats were just calling for us to pay slavery-related reparations just a few days ago, when promoting their most trustworthy and legitimate "civil rights leader", Al Sharpton.... The only logical way that our extant, living white society could possibly be held financially accountable for a civil rights crime like enslaving a racial population, is for us to have directly & personally taken part in buying and selling slaves!

So the obvious answer to your thread question, is NO.... Not until the racist Republican party actually frees the slaves, can we receive credit for it! But there's hope....... The democrats have been working hard to free the slaves since the civil war ended!
 
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beerftw said:
The speed of ending slavery was dependant on nations who used slaves. The problem was american slavery was both too late ei after the civil and too early ie after the civil war. The slavery issue revolved around economics more than anything. The south had grown reliant on factory style plantations which relied on slave labor, such an economic system could have been removed many years before the civil war by a transition away from it, rather than pushing for an abrupt end that would have economically destroyed the south.

After the civil war the south was reliant on trade and slave labor as it's main economic pillars, which caused an economic collapse far greater than the war did. Lincoln actually did not want the slaves freed right away after the war, he wanted a over time forced buyback of slaves to ensure an economic transition for the south, rather than yanking their entire economy from under it's feet.
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Nice post. People seem to only focus on slavery as the cause of the civil war. Most people totally ignore or fail to understand the issues of economics, regional politics, holding the Union together and states rights as contributing factors to the outbreak of war.
 
ModerationNow! said:
Wait, are you insinuating that America has already freed the slaves, like, in the past tense? Really? Listening to how the media, democrats and left wing activists talk on a daily basis about slavery and slavery-related black oppression, you'd swear that there's still a vibrant slave trade in America! After all, many democrats were just calling for us to pay slavery-related reparations just a few days ago, when promoting their most trustworthy and legitimate "civil rights leader", Al Sharpton.... The only logical way that our extant, living white society could possibly be held financially accountable for a civil rights crime like enslaving a racial population, is for us to have directly & personally taken part in buying and selling slaves!

So the obvious answer to your thread question, is NO.... Not until the racist Republican party actually frees the slaves, can we receive credit for it! But there's hope....... The democrats have been working hard to free the slaves since the civil war ended!
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Apparently there is no end to the mileage liberals can get out of white guilt!! I personally have no guilt since I was born 100 years after slavery ended, and my parents and grandparents were in another country when slavery existed. America is not a commune, we are not even responsible for our parents debts, let alone slavery 200 years ago as practiced by a few Scot Irish southerners. Why not make the descendants of the few white southerners feel guilty and the descendants of the northern opposition feel proud? Why not conclude reparation welfare is likely to be more destructive to blacks than regular welfare entitlements since it is racist and would build upon the crippling affects of regular welfare which, among other things, destroyed love and family in the black community and created the school to prison pipeline.
 
Slavery was banned in Europe, on the seas and in new territories. The Underground Railroad was in operation before the war. The Civil War was the last stand of Western slavers, a great disgrace for the US.
 
ecofarm said:
Slavery was banned in Europe, on the seas and in new territories. The Underground Railroad was in operation before the war. The Civil War was the last stand of Western slavers, a great disgrace for the US.
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A great disgrace for the whole world for 1 million years, along with 10001 other great disgraces in human history. Do you see why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?
 
James972 said:
A great disgrace for the whole world for 1 million years, along with 10001 other great disgraces in human history.
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Yes. And the Western world slavers made their last stand in the US.
 
James972 said:
Apparently there is no end to the mileage liberals can get out of white guilt!! I personally have no guilt since I was born 100 years after slavery ended, and my parents and grandparents were in another country when slavery existed. America is not a commune, we are not even responsible for our parents debts, let alone slavery 200 years ago as practiced by a few Scot Irish southerners. Why not make the descendants of the few white southerners feel guilty and the descendants of the northern opposition feel proud? Why not conclude reparation welfare is likely to be more destructive to blacks than regular welfare entitlements since it is racist and would build upon the crippling affects of regular welfare which, among other things, destroyed love and family in the black community and created the school to prison pipeline.
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Testify brother James! Tell us how you absolved yourself of this immoral stain!!!!!!!!

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ecofarm said:
Yes. And the Western world slavers made their last stand in the US.
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dear, many countries still have slavery today. How nice that you lie to yourself so as to make America evil. Ever see a shrink about why you feel the need to do that?
 
James972 said:
dear, many countries still have slavery today. How nice that you lie to yourself so as to make America evil. Ever see a shrink about why you feel the need to do that?
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None of that crap has anything to do with Western slavers making their last stand in the US. Murderous, traitorous scum attacked America.
 
James972 said:
Apparently there is no end to the mileage liberals can get out of white guilt!! I personally have no guilt since I was born 100 years after slavery ended, and my parents and grandparents were in another country when slavery existed. America is not a commune, we are not even responsible for our parents debts, let alone slavery 200 years ago as practiced by a few Scot Irish southerners. Why not make the descendants of the few white southerners feel guilty and the descendants of the northern opposition feel proud? Why not conclude reparation welfare is likely to be more destructive to blacks than regular welfare entitlements since it is racist and would build upon the crippling affects of regular welfare which, among other things, destroyed love and family in the black community and created the school to prison pipeline.
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A very myopic, self serving perspective.

Very Trumpian.
 
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