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Was America too slow to free the slaves or is the record pretty good given the plant's history?

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James972 said:
slavery was better here in that we were based on freedom so it led to most of the world being freed; most recently 1.4 billion in CHina being freed from libcommunism. Do you understand?
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Hey look you just said it was better again.
 
wellwisher said:
Morality is objective if looked at from the POV of morality having the team in mind.

It is not about the needs of the individual. The needs of the individual is what makes it subjective. Each individual will try to maximize self in a way only objective to oneself, but subjective to others.

If you look at the commandment, thou shall not steal, if we all refrained from stealing we could live with much less security needs and we could trust even stranger more. This utopian place is good for all. Relative morality is about the individual placing themselves before the team. The thieves will not like this rule, even if more secure for everyone, since stealing is how they earn a living. They will reason the need to steal. Now the team has to lock the house and mistrust strangers, all because of the relative morality of the few.

Relative morality is about the individual putting themselves ahead of the team using what appears to rational arguments slanted in their favor. The thief may say I stole to feed my hungry child, whether true or not. But to do this, again and again, he may say lying is good at times. Lying may be good for the con artist, but the team benefits more by facts and reliable data, than fake news. Fake news may benefit part of the team. Relative morality will create victims.

The reason slavery lasted so long in USA was the relative morality of the Democrat party; self serving. Objective morality took longer. We are all equal; one team, and therefore the same rules of freedom apply to all.

Liberal education has confused relative morality as morality. There is objective morality, but it has to be about the human team and not a subjective clique.
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What utter nonsense. You are speaking to subjectivity, not objectivity.


Morality is subjective. Period. What one thinks is right or wrong may be seen differently by others.
 
Slavery was practiced in most ancient agricultural societies. There was slavery in Africa long before the USA existed, and slavery was legal in parts of Africa long after it was abolished in the USA.

So most of what is said now about slavery is ridiculous.
 
Forcefield said:
You get the warm and fuzzies when you ponder slavery?


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It's the reality. Our species has been enslaving each other since agriculture began. And now, in the US, we at least try not to enslave each other any more. Unless being stuck in a job you hate counts as slavery.

One, of many, things liberals today do not see is that slavery is over. Yes, it is over. And now we have found plenty of other nasty things we can do to each other.
 
Forcefield said:
Hey look you just said it was better again.
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Who cares if it was the same or better. There is no way to prove it since it was so close. The point is America is based on freedom and is the reason the whole world is not enslaved now by Nazis, Communists, dictators, and other liberal big government schemers. Do you understand?


for 4th time: so you think slavery was bad, but do you think all the other equal wrongs of human history were bad too??
 
Excon said:
What utter nonsense. You are speaking to subjectivity, not objectivity.


Morality is subjective. Period. What one thinks is right or wrong may be seen differently by others.
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I suppose that's true. The Romans saw slavery as more moral since it was better than killing someone.
 
Good4Nothin said:
It's the reality. Our species has been enslaving each other since agriculture began. And now, in the US, we at least try not to enslave each other any more. Unless being stuck in a job you hate counts as slavery.

One, of many, things liberals today do not see is that slavery is over. Yes, it is over. And now we have found plenty of other nasty things we can do to each other.
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but thats not the point. If liberals can make you believe your county is rotten at its core based on slavery, then it will be easier for them to switch it to communism which they imagine is based on love, despite those little incidents wherein 120 million were slowly starved to death.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Slavery was practiced in most ancient agricultural societies. There was slavery in Africa long before the USA existed, and slavery was legal in parts of Africa long after it was abolished in the USA.

So most of what is said now about slavery is ridiculous.
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and what the liberal will leave out is that liberals probably did more harm to blacks than slavery ever did!
 
Tigerace117 said:
Hundreds of thousands of southerners died fighting for slavery. Not a single other power fought a massive civil war over it.

Yes, the southerners who ran away rather than face a country where they couldn't own other human beings weren't the starters of slavery, but they were a symptom of the root problem.
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Yep, Southern Democrats were that era's version of Leftist Democrats. They were not Conservatives as many on the Left claim, they were trying to reject the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Real American like me fought and defeated them, just like we are slowly defeating the Left today.

Aside from Original Slavery every U.S. racist policy came from Democrats and every racist policy over the last 100 years came from Leftist Democrats. Woodrow Wilson is the Founding Father of modern day American Leftist Progressive Ideology. The Original KKK died out in the 1870's, Wilsons influence caused it's resurrection, he also formally segregated the military and Federal employment.

About 60 years ago the Democrat party figured out that traditional racism was no longer a winning strategy. So instead of trying to treat everyone the same like the GOP always has they started exploiting race from the opposite direction. Replacing traditional racism with Racial Identity Politics and replacing the KKK with Poverty Pimps like Sharpton, Jackson and Obama.

The Civil War in regards to Succession was North Vs. South.... In regards to freeing the slaves it was Republican Vs. Democrat.

In a way that is still the case: According to PHD Thomas Sowell and PHD Walter Williams, Leftist policies like Welfare have done more harm to the Black Community than did Jim Crow or Segregation. It's the Democrats buying votes with such policies and enslaving all they ensnare. It's the American Right encouraging their independence.
 
Casca XV said:
In a way that is still the case: According to PHD Thomas Sowell and PHD Walter Williams, Leftist policies like Welfare have done more harm to the Black Community than did Jim Crow or Segregation. It's the Democrats buying votes with such policies and enslaving all they ensnare. It's the American Right encouraging their independence.
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Sad isn't it. First Democrats fought for slavery and now they fight to maintain their school to prison sex abuse pipeline for black people. Sad!!
 
James972 said:
but thats not the point. If liberals can make you believe your county is rotten at its core based on slavery, then it will be easier for them to switch it to communism which they imagine is based on love, despite those little incidents wherein 120 million were slowly starved to death.
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Maybe communism is based on love, but love can be deadly.

Liberals inhabit a fantasy narrative. As they make steady progress in their quest for tolerance and love for all, they stir up rabid hatred for anyone who disagrees even slightly with any of their absolute "truths."
 
Good4Nothin said:
Maybe communism is based on love, but love can be deadly.

Liberals inhabit a fantasy narrative. As they make steady progress in their quest for tolerance and love for all, they stir up rabid hatred for anyone who disagrees even slightly with any of their absolute "truths."
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Yes women's march is good example. They have conflicting identity groups within the women's identity group. Pretty soon white men will be a minority and they too will fight back as a separate identity group.
 
James972 said:
Yes women's march is good example. They have conflicting identity groups within the women's identity group. Pretty soon white men will be a minority and they too will fight back as a separate identity group.
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White men have been fighting back. That's one reason Trump is president.
 
James972 said:
Who cares if it was the same or better. There is no way to prove it since it was so close.
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I dunno. It's your thread.

for 4th time: so you think slavery was bad, but do you think all the other equal wrongs of human history were bad too??
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Oh, sorry. I thought you were being rhetorical. Yes, the things I feel were bad throughout human history also are considered bad by me.
 
America did pretty good considering the Hebrews were slaves 450 years. God didn't need to kill our firstborn, just thousands of others. We have to remember machines were not affordable and so horses and mules were used to plow, but it always comes to getting tares out by hand and if you only have two children and own a large plot of land it takes more feet and hands. Even black slaves were afraid of Indian raids also at night. Even after freedom blacks had to work for whatever wages were available, so freedom was still poverty. Now farmers near Mexico's border have Mexican slaves, because they don't make common wages. We must remember Moses married an Ethiopian and Aarons wife complained and was stricken with a plague and cast out of their camp for 7 days. So racism was first judged by Moses. I'm sure his wife was the only one that was humble enough and kept her mouth shut.
 
Forcefield said:
Oh, sorry. I thought you were being rhetorical. Yes, the things I feel were bad throughout human history also are considered bad by me.
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and yet your liberal handlers told you to focus only on American slavery?
 
If we had no industry we would all be slaves to plowing and planting and butchering animals. Industry is a lighter work load than bending over all day, but we still have slavery, It's called the reverse rule. play and pay me on a 18 year note. Child support. Please someone make men a pill, we don't need planned slavery.
 
The shipment of slaves was wrong even for an animal, but those times in the south were hard, without machinery. After the war slaves still had to work for food and shelter unless they went north into a mechanical society who drank tea and ordered food from farms, and hired black servants from the south. We need not debate, but like an Iranian child told me after her conflicts; Get over it! Enmity is the biggest slavery we all have.
 
artii said:
If we had no industry we would all be slaves to plowing and planting and butchering animals. Industry is a lighter work load than bending over all day, but we still have slavery, It's called the reverse rule. play and pay me on a 18 year note. Child support. Please someone make men a pill, we don't need planned slavery.
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supporting your children is not really called slavery
 
James972 said:
and yet your liberal handlers told you to focus only on American slavery?
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We are right now In YOUR thread, which is about slavery. What the hell are you yammering on about?


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We get sold a loud of garbage in our primary education of this country that ignores or sugar coats our abhorrent history. Slaughtering of natives, slavery, rampant racism, etc plagues our country's history
 
Forcefield said:
We are right now In YOUR thread, which is about slavery.
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yes mine, and about slavery, which no one disputes, so why are you pointing out the obvious? Do you have any idea?
 
Forcefield said:
What the hell are you yammering on about?
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I had asked why your handlers told you to focus on American slavery rather than world slavery and all the other wrongs in all of human history?
 
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