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Was America too slow to free the slaves or is the record pretty good given the plant's history?

Tigerace117 said:
Clearly the answer to my question is no, all of your posts are full of stupidity and lies. All of them.
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so then tell one significant thing you like about America as a liberal ?
 
James972 said:
Again; any evidence for your claims that the US government was like the Nazis?
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subject is whether USA is evil becuase it free slaves .000001% later the other Europeans[/QUOTE]

Support or retract your claim.
 
Excon said:
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Of course it is my opinion. Did I say it wasn't?

But the fact remains that morality is not universal and therefore you can only claim/argue what you think is moral and immoral.
You could even likely claim that for most others the act is immoral, but that does not change the fact that morality is subjective.

So again since you again failed to refute it.
Slavery exists in this day and age and is perpetuated by those who clearly have no moral problem with it.
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Morality is objective if looked at from the POV of morality having the team in mind. It is not about the needs of the individual. The needs of the individual is what makes it subjective. Each individual will try to maximize self in a way only objective to oneself, but subjective to others.

If you look at the commandment, thou shall not steal, if we all refrained from stealing we could live with much less security needs and we could trust even stranger more. This utopian place is good for all. Relative morality is about the individual placing themselves before the team. The thieves will not like this rule, even if more secure for everyone, since stealing is how they earn a living. They will reason the need to steal. Now the team has to lock the house and mistrust strangers, all because of the relative morality of the few.

Relative morality is about the individual putting themselves ahead of the team using what appears to rational arguments slanted in their favor. The thief may say I stole to feed my hungry child, whether true or not. But to do this, again and again, he may say lying is good at times. Lying may be good for the con artist, but the team benefits more by facts and reliable data, than fake news. Fake news may benefit part of the team. Relative morality will create victims.

The reason slavery lasted so long in USA was the relative morality of the Democrat party; self serving. Objective morality took longer. We are all equal; one team, and therefore the same rules of freedom apply to all.

Liberal education has confused relative morality as morality. There is objective morality, but it has to be about the human team and not a subjective clique.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
subject is whether USA is evil becuase it free slaves .000001% later the other Europeans
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Support or retract your claim.[/QUOTE]

thread subject is whether USA is evil, as your Marxist handlers would have it, because it freed its slaves .000001% later than other Europeans. Do you have any idea?
 
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Tigerace117 said:
But there was a cotton gin. This is not alternate history; we can't make assumptions about what might have happened and try and use it to excuse what did happen.

The Caribbean was almost entirely controlled by European colonial powers at this point. Brazil was one of the few countries to cling to slavery longer than the US, with a number of former Confederates fleeing there after the war.
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I will take the word of PHD's like Thomas Sowell over you any day of the year. I have never heard of anyone claim the cotton gin did not Turbo Charge the cotton industry increasing the need for slaves.

Brazil held on to slavery because the sugar cane fields needed them even more than the cotton fields did. That is why 95% of the slaves that came to the Americas went to Latin America. The Approximate 10,000 Confederates who fled to Brazil defiantly did not start slavery, like with North America it predates the US by 150 years. They might have participated in it but without European military force it would not have ended when it did.

I don't make excuses For US slavery I just point out that unlike all of Africa, the Middle East and Asia we recognized it as wrong and ended it ourselves.
 
Casca XV said:
I don't make excuses For US slavery I just point out that unlike all of Africa, the Middle East and Asia we recognized it as wrong and ended it ourselves.
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liberals single out Americas .00001% slower speed in freeing the slaves to weaken it and make it more susceptible to libcommunism
 
Casca XV said:
I will take the word of PHD's like Thomas Sowell over you any day of the year. I have never heard of anyone claim the cotton gin did not Turbo Charge the cotton industry increasing the need for slaves.

Brazil held on to slavery because the sugar cane fields needed them even more than the cotton fields did. That is why 95% of the slaves that came to the Americas went to Latin America. The Approximate 10,000 Confederates who fled to Brazil defiantly did not start slavery, like with North America it predates the US by 150 years. They might have participated in it but without European military force it would not have ended when it did.

I don't make excuses For US slavery I just point out that unlike all of Africa, the Middle East and Asia we recognized it as wrong and ended it ourselves.
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Hundreds of thousands of southerners died fighting for slavery. Not a single other power fought a massive civil war over it.

Yes, the southerners who ran away rather than face a country where they couldn't own other human beings weren't the starters of slavery, but they were a symptom of the root problem.
 
James972 said:
Support or retract your claim.
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thread subject is whether USA is evil, as your Marxist handlers would have it, because it freed its slaves .000001% later than other Europeans. Do you have any idea?[/QUOTE]

Support or retract your claim.
 
James972 said:
Was America too slow to free the slaves or is the record pretty good given the plant's history? Does the evil of slavery taint our county more or less than others?
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I think we can safely say that America has a far better history in terms of slavery than either the Muslim world or Subsaharan Africa. Not even close, America is morally superior to any nation that has ever existed on Earth.
 
James972 said:
Was America too slow to free the slaves or is the record pretty good given the plant's history? Does the evil of slavery taint our county more or less than others?
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I think the important thing here is that we should spend a lot of energy trying to feel less bad about slavery. :hm
 
Forcefield said:
I think the important thing here is that we should spend a lot of energy trying to feel less bad about slavery. :hm
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Who but a complete fool or liberal would feel bad about slavery in America or Africa or, for that matter, any of the wrongs throughout human history?
 
Virgil Jones said:
I think we can safely say that America has a far better history in terms of slavery than either the Muslim world or Subsaharan Africa. Not even close, America is morally superior to any nation that has ever existed on Earth.
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Very true!! And without America the entire planet would be now be enslaved by Nazis, Communists or other big central govt liberal crazys!
 
James972 said:
Who but a complete fool or liberal would feel bad about slavery in America or Africa or, for that matter, any of the wrongs throughout human history?
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You get the warm and fuzzies when you ponder slavery?


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Tigerace117 said:
Not a single other power fought a massive civil war over it.
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Lincoln fought civil war to save union, not to free slaves. Lincoln freed the slaves to weaken the Southern resistance, strengthen the Federal government, and encourage free blacks to fight in the Union army, thus preserving the Union. President Lincoln once said that if he could save the Union without freeing any slave he would do it.Abraham Lincoln and the Struggle for Union and Emancipation (DBQ ...
https://www.apstudynotes.org/us-history/sample.../abraham-lincoln-and-the-struggle-for/


Looks like tiger needs a new argument!!
 
Forcefield said:
You get the warm and fuzzies when you ponder slavery?
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you feel bad about slavery here and in Africa and for that matter all the wrongs throughout human history??
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yes, the southerners who ran away rather than face a country where they couldn't own other human beings weren't the starters of slavery, but they were a symptom of the root problem.
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you mean the same root problem that that led to slavery and other problems throughout human history all over the planet? And? Do you have any idea what your point is?
 
James972 said:
you feel bad about slavery here and in Africa and for that matter all the wrongs throughout human history??
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If I consider the concept of humans owning other humans as property, my general notions surrounding such an idea are negative, which is another way of saying “bad”.


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Forcefield said:
If I consider the concept of humans owning other humans as property, my general notions surrounding such an idea are negative, which is another way of saying “bad”.


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so you feel bad about all the wrongs throughout all of human history?
 
James972 said:
so you feel bad about all the wrongs throughout all of human history?
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I don't walk around poking at my bellybutton and choking back tears, if that's what you're insinuating. I think slavery was bad and it's important to remember it's badness, and not try to come up with reasons to feel like american slavery was "better" than other slavery.
 
Forcefield said:
. I think slavery was bad and it's important to remember it's badness, and not try to come up with reasons to feel like american slavery was "better" than other slavery.
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so you think slavery was bad, but do you think all the other equal wrongs of human history were bad too??
 
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