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Was America too slow to free the slaves or is the record pretty good given the plant's history?

Tigerace117 said:
But the cotton gin did exist, and slavery did solidify itself as an major part of the antebellum South.......which is another reason why they clung to it so long and went to war to try and keep it.

Slavery was banned in the European colonial empires and most of the New World well before the civil war. For example, the Brits banned it in their colonies in 1833. The French waffled a bit but ultimately banned it for good in their colonies in 1848. Many Latin American countries like Mexico had banned slavery in the early 1800s--- in fact, Mexico banning slavery was a big part of what caused the Texans to revolt.
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Listen to "The Real History Slavery" By Thomas Sowell.. the best 2 hour lecture you will ever hear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWrfjUzYvPo

Slavery was in decline before the cotton gin made that industry super profitable. I'm not saying Southern Democrats would not have given up slavery voluntarily but it would have been a lot easier and maybe no civil war.

Most European nations did turn a blind eye to slavery in some of their colonies it their was profit involved.

Brazil and most of the Caribbean did not end slavery until US and European warships were threatening them.

Yes, Mexico did end slavery in 1829. But if you read about the treatment of Afro-Mexicans you will see that Mexico is the last place on earth that has the moral High ground on race relations. Afro-Mexicans Are Pushing For Legal Recognition in Mexico's National Constitution
 
Tigerace117 said:
:lamo

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say a state has the right to go to war to preserve slavery bud.
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Nowhere does it say that they can't secede from the Union
 
Casca XV said:
Listen to "The Real History Slavery" By Thomas Sowell.. the best 2 hour lecture you will ever hear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWrfjUzYvPo

Slavery was in decline before the cotton gin made that industry super profitable. I'm not saying Southern Democrats would not have given up slavery voluntarily but it would have been a lot easier and maybe no civil war.

Most European nations did turn a blind eye to slavery in some of their colonies it their was profit involved.

Brazil and most of the Caribbean did not end slavery until US and European warships were threatening them.

Yes, Mexico did end slavery in 1829. But if you read about the treatment of Afro-Mexicans you will see that Mexico is the last place on earth that has the moral High ground on race relations. Afro-Mexicans Are Pushing For Legal Recognition in Mexico's National Constitution
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But there was a cotton gin. This is not alternate history; we can't make assumptions about what might have happened and try and use it to excuse what did happen.

The Caribbean was almost entirely controlled by European colonial powers at this point. Brazil was one of the few countries to cling to slavery longer than the US, with a number of former Confederates fleeing there after the war.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Nowhere does it say that they can't secede from the Union
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Yet they invaded West Virginia when it declared it was staying with the US.

They also brutally oppressed African Americans and those who wanted to stay with the Union.

None of those are constitutional.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yet they invaded West Virginia when it declared it was staying with the US.

They also brutally oppressed African Americans and those who wanted to stay with the Union.

None of those are constitutional.
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The Constitution allows people as less than a person and there is nothing unConstitutional about one state attacking another...
 
Tigerace117 said:
Ah yes, even more whining. The real victims aren't the people who were routinely beaten, raped, had their family sold off or murdered with impunity; it's the poor poor white folks who "lost everything" putting right a system which never should have been allowed in the first place and whose operators continue doing to terrorize African Americans for decades after the war.

:roll:

Your argument is pathetic. I hate to break it to you but the fact that Native Americans were abused(by the way, the Trail of Tears occurred because people in Georgia refused to abide by said treaties) does not change what happened to African Americans.
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The Trail of Tears occurred because the first Democratic President defied the US Supreme Court.

You 100% make my point - collectively accusing those who literally gave their lives to end slavery - for which you condemn them solely for their race, and that does not include those who claim to the USA long after slavery had been abolished.
 
joko104 said:
The Trail of Tears occurred because the first Democratic President defied the US Supreme Court.

You 100% make my point - collectively accusing those who literally gave their lives to end slavery - for which you condemn them solely for their race, and that does not include those who claim to the USA long after slavery had been abolished.
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The Trail of Tears occurred because Jackson--- a populist--- decided to side with the Georgians against the various Native American tribes.

And you conveniently handwave away the hundreds of thousands who died fighting for slavery, the conservatives who imposed a tyrannical, unconstitutional rule in the South for decades after the war, and the people who still celebrate the Confederacy to this day.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
It's almost like you're happy to defend the enslavement of another human being.

You realize how evil you sound, right?

**** off.
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what do you think the founders wanted for a faction if not the Republican Party of Jefferson??
 
Tigerace117 said:
The US government in the 1860s was not anything like the Nazis.
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it had enough power to get 500k killed when population was only 30 million. NOt one state would have Not one state Would have radified you they known That the federal government would assume so much power; now do you understand why federal power is so evil?
 
Casca XV said:
Without those profits slavery in the US probably would have ended at about the same time as Europe.

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but that doesn't fit the real liberal narrative that Americans, despite being European, were made evil by freedom and so we must now denounce America and turn to Sanders and communism.
 
Casca XV said:
Without those profits slavery in the US probably would have ended at about the same time as Europe.

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it did end at almost exactly the same time; that is a million years after it started. Only liberals want to make a big deal out of the .ooooo1% difference in the exact time it ended because they are desperate to be critical so we will turn to Marxism.
 
Casca XV said:
see #190
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the Founders did not want factions that would would divide and destroy the country which means they did not want liberals. The Republicans founded the country on Republican principles. THe Democrats are treasonous. It is not coincidental that they want a living constitution , spied for Stalin and Hitler, and have elected Ocassio Cortez, their baby communist to lead them.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Slavery was banned in the European colonial empires and most of the New World well before the civil war.
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so freedom made Americans evil and we must adopt your Marxist agenda to erase the stain??
 
Casca XV said:
Listen to "The Real History Slavery" By Thomas Sowell.. the best 2 hour lecture you will ever hear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWrfjUzYvPo

Slavery was in decline before the cotton gin made that industry super profitable. I'm not saying Southern Democrats would not have given up slavery voluntarily but it would have been a lot easier and maybe no civil war.

Most European nations did turn a blind eye to slavery in some of their colonies it their was profit involved.

Brazil and most of the Caribbean did not end slavery until US and European warships were threatening them.

Yes, Mexico did end slavery in 1829. But if you read about the treatment of Afro-Mexicans you will see that Mexico is the last place on earth that has the moral High ground on race relations. Afro-Mexicans Are Pushing For Legal Recognition in Mexico's National Constitution
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yes but Americans were especially evil because slavery lasted .ooooo1% longer here! IN fact it is still evil and there is only one way to correct it!
 
James972 said:
Was America too slow to free the slaves or is the record pretty good given the plant's history? Does the evil of slavery taint our county more or less than others?
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Slavery should never happened as bad as it got in this country. No it should not taint this country. What we should be ashamed of and what taints this country is the way we are currently exploiting immigrants and especially illegal aliens. It was wrong when the coal barons did it to my ancestors and it is wrong today. Anyone who thinks we cannot afford to pay hard working people a decent wage and provide a safe working environment is no better than slave owners of the past. That includes the people hiring them and the people supporting the people hiring them as well as the people that do not believe in enforcing our laws and ending this travesty.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Nowhere does it say that they can't secede from the Union
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and certainly if any state had know the USA was not a voluntary federation, that divorce would not be tolerated, not one state would have ratified the federation.In fact The only reason any state join the union Was because they were told Their freedom Would not be curtailed
 
joko104 said:
- collectively accusing those who literally gave their lives to end slavery.
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yes, a liberal will hate America so those who fought to defend slavery define the nation, not those who fought to end slavery.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Anyone who thinks we cannot afford to pay hard working people a decent wage and provide a safe working environment is no better than slave owners of the past.
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total goof comment shows no knowledge of economics. if its not decent why take the job??? unless you say the best job in the entire world being offered to you is not decent?? What about all the jobs you could have at half the pay?? THe question is not what you think other people should pay you, but what you are worth. Do you want to get a wife based on what you think your worth or based on if she thinks you're worth marrying? ITs important to think before you post.
 
James972 said:
it had enough power to get 500k killed when population was only 30 million. NOt one state would have Not one state Would have radified you they known That the federal government would assume so much power; now do you understand why federal power is so evil?
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Actually, what it sounds like to me is that you hate America and are pissed because your precious slavers got crushed.

Where's your source for the claim that the US government murdered five hundred thousand people?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Actually, what it sounds like to me is that you hate America and are pissed because your precious slavers got crushed.
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Not only Did 500,000 white people die But so did 100,000 black people . Now you see how efficient liberalism is [/QUOTE]
 
James972 said:
Not only Did 500,000 white people die But so did 100,000 black people . Now you see how efficient liberalism is
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Again; any evidence for your claims that the US government was like the Nazis?
 


Again; any evidence for your claims that the US government was like the Nazis?[/QUOTE]

subject is whether USA is evil becuase it free slaves .000001% later the other Europeans
 
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