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Was America too slow to free the slaves or is the record pretty good given the plant's history?

Most of which were criminalized in the South, and their promoters jailed, bankrupted and worse, some of them were put to death.
Maybe, but they had influence in Congress slowing, if not stopping the expansion of slavery to new states.
 
We have to have coffee. Btw, I am the favorite, because I look "more like us". A claim by both sides. Oh the burden.

Unfortunately other than my mom my kids never knew their grandparents. However my wife's mom treated me very well. Always pestering my wife to make dinner etc. Made sure my cleats were cleaned after softball when she visited. Stuff like that. My kids can pass for "white" but can also get dark tans. Funny my daughter was dating a white guy and that ended badly. Now its a black guy and white guys are now ugly. I like to hide in the basement.
 
Unfortunately other than my mom my kids never knew their grandparents. However my wife's mom treated me very well. Always pestering my wife to make dinner etc. Made sure my cleats were cleaned after softball when she visited. Stuff like that. My kids can pass for "white" but can also get dark tans. Funny my daughter was dating a white guy and that ended badly. Now its a black guy and white guys are now ugly. I like to hide in the basement.

people are people
 
Even my liberal parents were not totally on board at the beginning. It works out.

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I've had four black girlfriends in my life, two were just the kind of thing where we looked at each other and "hot damn", one was semi-serious, and one was super serious. I like to THINK that my folks were sort of liberal and understanding but when they got wind of Gwendolyn-the-super-serious black girlfriend, they were up in arms.
I brought her home anyway, and they liked her, how could you not, she was just that cool, but I was bombarded with "do you understand what you will be putting your children through and what you both will face?"

I told them, "that is society's problem, not OUR problem, society has a problem, and society needs to FIX their problem instead of us having to accommodate their problem for their sake."

Gwen's family, on the other hand, couldn't have been nicer or more loving, all except for ONE of her brothers, (one out of five, the eldest) but it didn't matter...her family was wonderful about it. Oh well, we were young and eventually things did not progress and we drifted apart and she moved to Hawaii, boo hoo.
She sure was sweet though, I would have married her if things had progressed.

Now my nephew is super serious with a black girl and I think they make a delightful couple, and HIS parents are okay with it.
His GRANDMOTHER (my aunt) isn't so thrilled, old school immigrant Italian lady that she is.
She's not mean or rude...she just doesn't understand...she's ninety-six.

But it doesn't matter because his parents are thrilled with his girlfriend and I hope they do get married, they've been an item for almost three years now. I've SKYPED them and talked to her. She sure seems like a wonderful girl and apparently she's really in love with him, sure looks that way.
 
I think our recent history of FREEING people from slavery has more than made up for our 150 year old past.

Just like Jack the Ripper being nice to people 99% of the time made up for murdering those women, amirite?
 
Maybe, but they had influence in Congress slowing, if not stopping the expansion of slavery to new states.

I swear, listening to people like you normalize things...I just threw up in my mouth.
 
Just like Jack the Ripper being nice to people 99% of the time made up for murdering those women, amirite?

You are wrong, and just America bashing because you are bored.
I had a good dinner tonight, so i will not nibble on your bait.
 
You are wrong, and just America bashing because you are bored.
I had a good dinner tonight, so i will not nibble on your bait.

No, making a serious point. Good actions do not make up for bad ones that are bad enough. Slavery qualifies as "bad enough." There is no making up for it.
 
I am having a great deal of difficulty seeing numbers like that in the USA right now however if you count the private prison industry down South, particularly in Mississippi, I can go along with counting the inmate population as slaves.

Why would inmates of private prisons be slaves and public prisoners not?

And being sentenced to prison is not slavery
 
No, making a serious point. Good actions do not make up for bad ones that are bad enough. Slavery qualifies as "bad enough." There is no making up for it.

No, slavery does not qualify as “bad enough” whatever that means. If you logically applied that standard then no one on earth is innocent since slavery was a universal practice of all humanity until the 19th century
 
Was America too slow to free the slaves or is the record pretty good given the plant's history? Does the evil of slavery taint our county more or less than others?

Economics are a bitch.
 
No, slavery does not qualify as “bad enough” whatever that means. If you logically applied that standard then no one on earth is innocent since slavery was a universal practice of all humanity until the 19th century

Why is that consequence out of the question? I think that's correct. No one on earth is innocent.
 
Why is that consequence out of the question? I think that's correct. No one on earth is innocent.

If No one is innocent then no one is guilty and hence there’s no reason to change any policies today because of slavery 5 generations ago that no one alive today is either a victim or beneficiary of


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If No one is innocent then no one is guilty and hence there’s no reason to change any policies today because of slavery 5 generations ago that no one alive today is either a victim or beneficiary of


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Hmmm...if three people murder everyone else in the world (such that everyone left alive is a murderer), they're suddenly not murderers? That doesn't make any sense. That no one is innocent in no way implies that no one is guilty. That no one is innocent implies that everyone is guilty.

People alive today are very much beneficiaries and victims of slavery. If I steal all your family's wealth, get away with it, and pass it on down to my great grandchildren, who are much better off as a result than your great grandchildren, it seems to me that my great grandchildren are the beneficiaries of a crime, and yours the victims. So long as my great grandchildren are aware of what happened in the past, and they continue as if nothing had happened, they are guilty.

Now, what to do about it is another matter. I don't think it's as simple as making reparations or such. I think what would probably do more good than anything else is for everyone to come to understand our history and how it caused present circumstances. My tribe, for example, doesn't want the land that we were kicked off of before the Trail of Tears back (though if that ever did happen, my family would be super wealthy all of a sudden). We don't want anything more than what we're already getting in terms of funds. We would like it if public schools started spending time teaching students about Indian culture and values from an emic perspective, just so we don't face so many misconceptions on a daily basis. That'd be awesome. I'm sure black people would like it if the same happened for them. Might go a long way toward finally healing the wounds caused by European expansion in the 16th-19th centuries.
 
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No, making a serious point. Good actions do not make up for bad ones that are bad enough. Slavery qualifies as "bad enough." There is no making up for it.

Forgiveness is a virtue.
You can't let sins of the past taint the future and the present.
There are few countries on this earth that did not engage in slavery at one time or another.
Yet you center 100% of your anger on the USA and no other countries.

I was right. You are just America bashing.
 
Hmmm...if three people murder everyone else in the world (such that everyone left alive is a murderer), they're suddenly not murderers? That doesn't make any sense. That no one is innocent in no way implies that no one is guilty. That no one is innocent implies that everyone is guilty.

People alive today are very much beneficiaries and victims of slavery. If I steal all your family's wealth, get away with it, and pass it on down to my great grandchildren, who are much better off as a result than your great grandchildren, it seems to me that my great grandchildren are the beneficiaries of a crime, and yours the victims. So long as my great grandchildren are aware of what happened in the past, and they continue as if nothing had happened, they are guilty.

Now, what to do about it is another matter. I don't think it's as simple as making reparations or such. I think what would probably do more good than anything else is for everyone to come to understand our history and how it caused present circumstances. My tribe, for example, doesn't want the land that we were kicked off of before the Trail of Tears back (though if that ever did happen, my family would be super wealthy all of a sudden). We don't want anything more than what we're already getting in terms of funds. We would like it if public schools started spending time teaching students about Indian culture and values from an emic perspective, just so we don't face so many misconceptions on a daily basis. That'd be awesome. I'm sure black people would like it if the same happened for them. Might go a long way toward finally healing the wounds caused by European expansion in the 16th-19th centuries.
The wounds caused by blacks in Africa who sold slaves to Europeans? I think Africa has enough problems. The single dumbest thing, by far, the world could do is try to right all the wrongs of history. Only a liberal would consider it, and not one other person.
 
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