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Was America too slow to free the slaves or is the record pretty good given the plant's history?

PleasantValley said:
Forgiveness is a virtue.
You can't let sins of the past taint the future and the present.
There are few countries on this earth that did not engage in slavery at one time or another.
Yet you center 100% of your anger on the USA and no other countries.

I was right. You are just America bashing.
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Actually, I said that everyone in the world is guilty, so why you think I blame only America is hardly clear. Forgiveness should be practiced, but it requires actual contrition. I see none of that from practically anybody. In any case, forgiving a crime does not erase the fact that it was done, or that it was wrong.

I also don't know why you think I'm angry. As I pointed out, for example, Jack the Ripper murdered at least five women, he was probably a nice guy the rest of the time (we know that from studying his method of attack--he had to be slick enough to convince some rather salty prostitutes that they weren't about to be killed). What he did was wrong. Must I be angry to report those facts?

As I see it, slavery is wrong. It is a huge part of history throughout the world. It is implicated in the economic conditions of practically everyone alive today. And those are facts. I don't need to be angry to point all that out. Nor do I need to be angry to care about it.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
What socialized medicine REALLY means, sometimes the mask slips!

I do not see were a woman has the right to take a child to full term.
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i give up what is connection between socialized medicine and full term??????????
 
ashurbanipal said:
Forgiveness should be practiced, but it requires actual contrition.
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there is a statute of limitations. Do you want to be held responsible for your fathers' debt or anything else he may have done?
 
James972 said:
Was America too slow to free the slaves or is the record pretty good given the plant's history? Does the evil of slavery taint our county more or less than others?
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USofA was still treating blacks very badly when I lived in Houston, TX in the 50's and 60's. The only jobs available to them were menial and paid very poorly.
I enlisted in the Navy in 1964 and saw that even the military restricted what people of color could get training for. 12 years later, about 1975, high tech job training became more available to them.
 
UtahBill said:
USofA was still treating blacks very badly when I lived in Houston, TX in the 50's and 60's. The only jobs available to them were menial and paid very poorly.
I enlisted in the Navy in 1964 and saw that even the military restricted what people of color could get training for. 12 years later, about 1975, high tech job training became more available to them.
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can you answer the questions?
 
ashurbanipal said:
Actually, I said that everyone in the world is guilty, so why you think I blame only America is hardly clear. Forgiveness should be practiced, but it requires actual contrition. I see none of that from practically anybody. In any case, forgiving a crime does not erase the fact that it was done, or that it was wrong.

I also don't know why you think I'm angry. As I pointed out, for example, Jack the Ripper murdered at least five women, he was probably a nice guy the rest of the time (we know that from studying his method of attack--he had to be slick enough to convince some rather salty prostitutes that they weren't about to be killed). What he did was wrong. Must I be angry to report those facts?

As I see it, slavery is wrong. It is a huge part of history throughout the world. It is implicated in the economic conditions of practically everyone alive today. And those are facts. I don't need to be angry to point all that out. Nor do I need to be angry to care about it.
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Thank you for the explanation. The fact you bothered to give a detailed explanation to a stranger on the internet makes me believe exactly what you are saying.

I apologize for my own misunderstandings.
 
PleasantValley said:
Thank you for the explanation. The fact you bothered to give a detailed explanation to a stranger on the internet makes me believe exactly what you are saying.

I apologize for my own misunderstandings.
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I appreciate that, but no apology is necessary. It's part of debate and discussion to prod at the position of others and get clarification.
 
ashurbanipal said:
I appreciate that, but no apology is necessary. It's part of debate and discussion to prod at the position of others and get clarification.
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I thank you for this too. I enjoy a good debate with others of an opposing view.
It is just hard to find CIVILIZED ones to talk with on the internet, such as you.
I will keep this in mind the next time we disagree.
 
James972 said:
Was America too slow to free the slaves or is the record pretty good given the plant's history? Does the evil of slavery taint our county more or less than others?
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I guess that depends on a persons point of view.
Maybe you should be asking if there is actually an objective way to answer the question?
 
ashurbanipal said:
Just like Jack the Ripper being nice to people 99% of the time made up for murdering those women, amirite?
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That is not a relevant comparison.

For starters ...
Slavery was not a crime prior to it being outlawed.
Jack's actions were a crime when committed.
 
James972 said:
Was America too slow to free the slaves or is the record pretty good given the plant's history? Does the evil of slavery taint our county more or less than others?
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YES, the United States of America was too slow to free the slaves.


a. As a result, we had a horrific Civil War.

b. As a result, the Founding Fathers do not deserve the adoration that we are supposed to give them.


c. As a result, the Constitution is not the great document that we were taught to revere.




YES, the history of slavery taints our nation. Its consequences are still being felt and will be felt as long as the United States of America exists in its present form.


(I cannot be more specific, for the posting rules on such controversial topics are super strict.)
 
TheParser said:
a. As a result, we had a horrific Civil War.
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wrong of course!! if we had tried to free them sooner we would have had a civil war sooner, no USA, and no freedom anywhere in the world. Do you understand?
 
TheParser said:
b. As a result, the Founding Fathers do not deserve the adoration that we are supposed to give them.
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??? Founding fathers wrote all men are created equal and set in motion the process that freed slaves women communists. without their genius there would be no freedom anywhere on earth today. The fired the shot heard around the world!! Ever read history??
 
TheParser said:
c. As a result, the Constitution is not the great document that we were taught to revere.
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Constitution is all about freedom?? Are you now against freedom???
 
TheParser said:
the history of slavery taints our nation.
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You mean our nation and every nation for the last million years?? BUt why would it taint it when we ended slavery after a million years of it. ??Did you ever read your history to find out how wide spread slavery was and how long it existed?? American freedom just free 1.4 billion in china and now we are working on North Korea. Do you understand these basics?
 
TheParser said:
Its consequences are still being felt and will be felt as long as the United States of America exists in its present form.
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so what form would it have to be so we didn't feel the consequences of slavery. Wonder why you forgot to tell us?
 
James972 said:
so what form would it have to be so we didn't feel the consequences of slavery. Wonder why you forgot to tell us?
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Well there was the whole period between the Civil War to the Civil Rights movement that didn't help put slavery behind us. It's hard to move past something when policies after you're supposedly "free" still keep you as a second class citizen.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Well there was the whole period between the Civil War to the Civil Rights movement that didn't help put slavery behind us. It's hard to move past something when policies after you're supposedly "free" still keep you as a second class citizen.
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no he said our nation would have to have a different form now before we could put slavery behind us. One guess as to what form this liberal is talking about??
 
James972 said:
no he said our nation would have to have a different form now before we could put slavery behind us. One guess as to what form this liberal is talking about??
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I'm not going to speak for TheParser, but my understanding is the history of the post Civil War US is a part of the fabric of the country even today; especially with the economic situation in which the African American population finds itself.
 
James972 said:
Was America too slow to free the slaves or is the record pretty good given the plant's history? Does the evil of slavery taint our county more or less than others?
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World History tells us that at some point all races have been slaves as well as slave owners.

Yet 'White America' alone now carries the burden of blame for the entire world history of slavery.

And somewhere along the line 'Black America' somehow got itself designated as slavery's sole victim.

It's time for this perpetual stigma of guilt & victimhood, long attached to one nation, be laid to rest.

And then we may find peace, mutual respect, and true 'e pluribus unum'...Have a lovely day~ :peace
 
James972 said:
Wonder why you forgot to tell us?
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I am a relatively new member.

You are a veteran member.

So you know that strict posting rules constrain us from how explicit we are allowed to be.



Happy New Year
 
James972 said:
American freedom just free 1.4 billion in china and now we are working on North Korea.
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China is now a "free" country?

Do the Chinese people agree with you? E.g., those people who are currently being put in labor camps, those who cannot have access to Western websites, etc.
 
James972 said:
Constitution is all about freedom?? Are you now against freedom???
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The Constitution explicitly states that some Americans are not to be considered a completely 100% "person."

So I would not say that it is "all" about freedom.
 
James972 said:
Ever read history??
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I am sure that you have read much more history than I.

That's great and I congratulate you.

If the United States had not existed, there would probably still be freedom on earth today. After all, the British deserve some credit for their slow but deliberate march toward freedom, don't they?
 
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