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Trump's Family Values Are Superior!

Gimmesometruth said:
there was no "big liberal govt" in existence for them to have ever studied. This is comic book absurdity.
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history was replete with 100's of them including england
 
James972 said:
nobody including FRC said it excused him
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Actually, you did. You literally just tried to use that to excuse him, by claiming that liberals didn't get married (which is false).

yes liberal family values and liberalism in general is taking over well beyond the liberal ghetto. Nobody denies that
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and which, when pressured, you walk back.


cpwill said:
Liberals not getting married isn't a danger to the Church,
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obviously it is since the church is pro family and opposed to the recent liberal attack on the family
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No. Pretty much zero damage is done to the church by a non-believers' not using it for marriage, or not getting married at all. LOTS of Damage is done to the church when it decides to overlook and excuse flagrant sin among those who claim it's title, as you seek to do.



Trump's entire life is a rejection of Christian family values. You can say liberal Democrats are also not in favor of Christian family values, and sure, there is (for many) a case to be made there. That, however, does not mean that Trump holds the opposite position. Far from it.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You really can't argue against him, he has been supporting your argument.
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He wants to toss the core tenets of Christianity overboard in order to honor his Golden Calf. That's not an argument of mine at all.
 
Praxas said:
Biblethumpers that support Trump and voted for him are the biggest hypocrites and liars on the planet. I at least have respect for the biblethumpers that stayed home and didn't vote for either, but the rest are a waste of space.
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It sounds like those irreligious democrats who mock Christians as "biblethumpers" are OK with Christians voting for a "devil-worshiping" democrat or republican as long as the devil-worshiper does not favor Christians or God bless American patriotic conservatism. Otherwise it is anathema to "devil-worshipers" that a Christian should vote at all.
 
James972 said:
Trump has his issues for sure but the real question is: is he better or worse than a liberal, all things considered? Take a look at his many problematic marriages, for example. Yet, the Family Research Council supports Trump. Why? Because Trump is pro-family, relatively speaking. Liberals, conversely, have launched an all out attack on the concept of love and family itself with their feminist, divorce, abortion, resilient kids, and welfare agenda.
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If Trump is so pro-family why is he turning a blind eye to the thousands of families that are suffering from the effects of his shutdown?
 
cpwill said:
Can't help but notice you didn't answer the question :).

Democrats rejecting family values doesn't excuse pretending that Trump is an Avatar of them.

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You create an impossible scenario. You claim Christians who vote for sinners are guilty of supporting sin. That is nonsense. No candidate is sinless. It is just another stupid democrat tricky way of trying to shame Christians from even voting at all. That sort of stupid trickery is not working on me and not working on millions of God bless American Christian patriots in the USA. Americans might be stupid, as democrats say, but Christians are not as stupid as democrat dummies think. Look at how shocked they were when their golden girl lost to Trump.
 
cpwill said:
So when people claiming to speak on His behalf, or on behalf of his Church, claim that worldly political achievements can get one into heaven (similar to the old indulgences of the Catholic Church, but pre-counter-Reformation, and without the theological justification of baptism), even if one loves in violation of New Testament teaching ... What do you think God thinks of that?

Do you think God wants His people to violate the New Testament teaching to avoid tying themselves publicly to one such as Trump - even to the point of refusing to eat with him?

Do you think God considers serial adultery to be a positive family value?



If you want to say that Democrats have become hostile to Christianity, I can go down that road a bit. But if you want to try to turn that into the argument that therefore Trump is an Avatar for Christan family values..... No. That is the opposite of the truth. People openly hostile to God's Church can never do it as much damage as those who claim it's mantle.
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Jesus told His disciples to submit to Herod, to a point. That did not mean they agreed with Herod or worshiped him, but that they needed to do the right thing politically in that day. Modern American Christians have been forced by very bad fields of candidates to vote for the least of the evils among them. That did not mean so much that Christians endorsed all the policies of the victor but more that they opposed the policies of the loser.
 
marke said:
Jesus told His disciples to submit to Herod, to a point. That did not mean they agreed with Herod or worshiped him, but that they needed to do the right thing politically in that day. Modern American Christians have been forced by very bad fields of candidates to vote for the least of the evils among them. That did not mean so much that Christians endorsed all the policies of the victor but more that they opposed the policies of the loser.
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Sure; that's an entirely defensible position. Unfortunately, the OP, the FRC, and so many others have moved from "this is the lesser of the evils" to "We must therefore tell falsehoods about how this is good."

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marke said:
You create an impossible scenario. You claim Christians who vote for sinners are guilty of supporting sin.
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I have never claimed so. Every vote I have ever cast has been by a single, for a sinner. There are entirely defensible reasons for Christians to have voted for Trump (and for Hillary), regardless of my political preferences.

What is not defensible, however, is then moving from those positions to trying to argue that Trump is an Avatar for Christian family values, or indeed, Christan values in general. What is not defensible is wrecking your witness by abandoning the tenets of your faith to try to justify his actions, or wrap him in its mantle. What is not acceptable is attempting to subordinate and warp a universal and timeless faith to the temporary political preferences of one party, in one country.

Pat Robertson said he had a dream where he saw Trump seated at the right hand of God, clearly indicating whom he has abandoned in order to elevate whom. Many have made the same choice he did, and that is also unacceptable.
 
cpwill said:
Sure; that's an entirely defensible position. Unfortunately, the OP, the FRC, and so many others have moved from "this is the lesser of the evils" to "We must therefore tell falsehoods about how this is good."

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Men change. God does not change. Christians need to consider the need to vote for better people or vote against worse people when taking their responsible part in elections. Just because Christians are forced by duty to vote for the less dangerous of sinners in elections does not mean they support sin. Such a supposition that Christians are guilty of supporting sin if they vote for a sinner is stupid, wrong, illogical and is a deceitful partisan ploy to keep Christians out of the way of wicked progressives seeking to fundamentally change America into a secular socialist state.
 
cpwill said:
I have never claimed so. Every vote I have ever cast has been by a single, for a sinner. There are entirely defensible reasons for Christians to have voted for Trump (and for Hillary), regardless of my political preferences.

What is not defensible, however, is then moving from those positions to trying to argue that Trump is an Avatar for Christian family values, or indeed, Christan values in general. What is not defensible is wrecking your witness by abandoning the tenets of your faith to try to justify his actions, or wrap him in its mantle. What is not acceptable is attempting to subordinate and warp a universal and timeless faith to the temporary political preferences of one party, in one country.

Pat Robertson said he had a dream where he saw Trump seated at the right hand of God, clearly indicating whom he has abandoned in order to elevate whom. Many have made the same choice he did, and that is also unacceptable.
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Trump has a history of womanizing. That is not unusual in a world of sin and wickedness, including in American politics. That does not make Trump someone to emulate. However, since most Christians did not vote for Trump to lead the nation as a moral model of perfection, there is nothing wrong with Christians continuing to support him as he fights the immoral, unjust, and uncivilized agendas of the barbarians seeking to transform America into a godless secular state.
 
tres borrachos said:
Can you post this in English? I can't read the Russian hybrid.
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you say nothing about why Trump is worse than liberal school to prison sex abuse pipeline. Obviously if you could explain you would not be afraid to. NOw you see why FRC supports Trump.
 
marke said:
Trump has a history of womanizing.
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and it is ultra trivial compared to liberal school to prison sex abuse pipeline which is why FRC supports Trump
 
marke said:
Just because Christians are forced by duty to vote for the less dangerous of sinners in elections does not mean they support sin. .
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good point; notice how liberals fake disgust at Trump's behavior but ignore their far worse school to prison sex abuse liberal pipeline.
 
cpwill said:
"We must therefore tell falsehoods about how this is good."
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no conservative said Trump's personal behavior was good. You just made that up didn't you?
 
HumblePi said:
If Trump is so pro-family
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re read op it say trump has his issues but it still far better than liberal destructive family values, not that he is pro-family. Do you understand?
 
HumblePi said:
If Trump is so pro-family why is he turning a blind eye to the thousands of families that are suffering from the effects of his shutdown?
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he's more concerned about the millions of families who are losing jobs to illegals! 1+1=2
 
cpwill said:
Trump's entire life is a rejection of Christian family values..
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but far less so that liberal school to prison sex abuse pipeline which is why FRC supports Trump more than liberals. Trump is by far the best among the worst.
 
James972 said:
Trump has his issues for sure but the real question is: is he better or worse than a liberal, all things considered? Take a look at his many problematic marriages, for example. Yet, the Family Research Council supports Trump. Why? Because Trump is pro-family, relatively speaking. Liberals, conversely, have launched an all out attack on the concept of love and family itself with their feminist, divorce, abortion, resilient kids, and welfare agenda.
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3 are never enough and dragging your wife by the hair before raping her is ok?
Might help if you knew the def of liberal.
No Latin in college?
No college?
Must be a trump U white boy
 
YorkshirePete said:
3 are never enough and dragging your wife by the hair before raping her is ok?
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if you have any any idea what point you are trying to make why not share it with us or just read the posts without replying
 
James972 said:
you say nothing about why Trump is worse than liberal school to prison sex abuse pipeline. Obviously if you could explain you would not be afraid to. NOw you see why FRC supports Trump.
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In English please.
 
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