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Jewish Groups Helped Helped to Pass Florida Amendment Allowing Felons to Vote

Kal'Stang said:
SCOTUS isn't there to rule on what is and isn't Just. They're their to rule on the Constitutionality of something. Remember, they once ruled slavery and Jim Crow as Constitutional once also.



Nope. And never said otherwise. It doesn't matter to me WHY politicians want felons to vote. What matters to me is whether the issue that they are advocating/opposing is valid or not. And in this particular case, felons being able to vote, IS valid. Like I said, they ARE Citizens of this country and as such should have a Right to vote. I have no problem with those that commit crimes being punished. But that does not mean that they should have their Rights stripped away. Many felons are felons because they screwed up as a young person. Not because they're actually bad people.

As for breaking American Traditions and societal norms....any that are not Just SHOULD be broken. Just because something is traditional and a "norm" does not automatically mean that it is good and right. Look above for obvious examples of what was not Just, yet tradition and them being "the norm" was..well..normal in those days and times.
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You saw the Twitter post I linked of an MSNBC host celebrating 1.4 million new voters in Florida who can help the DNC win future presidential elections. They're doing everything within their power to nullify the votes of Republicans in this country. If you want to encourage their avarice, that's your decision. Just don't be surprised when FL goes blue, and we're left without a vote.
 
truthatallcost said:
You saw the Twitter post I linked of an MSNBC host celebrating 1.4 million new voters in Florida who can help the DNC win future presidential elections. They're doing everything within their power to nullify the votes of Republicans in this country. If you want to encourage their avarice, that's your decision. Just don't be surprised when FL goes blue, and we're left without a vote.
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You're making the mistake that I actually care about the DNC, red, blue, or GOP. I don't. All I care about is the issues presented. Each issue should be judged on its merit and its merit alone.
 
truthatallcost said:
You saw the Twitter post I linked of an MSNBC host celebrating 1.4 million new voters in Florida who can help the DNC win future presidential elections. They're doing everything within their power to nullify the votes of Republicans in this country. If you want to encourage their avarice, that's your decision. Just don't be surprised when FL goes blue, and we're left without a vote.
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So your issue with restoring voting rights to former prison inmates is the fact they might vote democrat?
 
truthatallcost said:
These same people want amnesty & voting rights for the 22 million illegals in the country, and an endless stream of migrant caravans to be granted admission.
And people are still floating around the bogus meme about these groups not being a threat to the USA. Dozens of stories have been printed in the past week depicting Soros as a victim of slander. 1.4 million Republicans in Florida just had their future votes nullified by this cretin and his pals. Now they'll go to work on California, and the domino effect will commence.
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So it’s da jous?

Why should felons who have served their time not be allowed to vote? Did you know Maine, which is 96% white and maybe 2% black, allows incarcerated prisoners to vote?

I wonder why no one whines about that. :roll:
 
TheGoverness said:
Just because he does not directly mention Hitler, does not mean it isn't dripping with Antisemitism. Which it is.
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Dripping? It’s soaked in it.
 
truthatallcost said:
These same people want amnesty & voting rights for the 22 million illegals in the country, and an endless stream of migrant caravans to be granted admission.
And people are still floating around the bogus meme about these groups not being a threat to the USA. Dozens of stories have been printed in the past week depicting Soros as a victim of slander. 1.4 million Republicans in Florida just had their future votes nullified by this cretin and his pals. Now they'll go to work on California, and the domino effect will commence.
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How will the future votes be nullified if they have been given their voting right back. Voting rights that should not have been taken from them in the first place. Once your punishment is over, it is over, punishing them extra by denying them their civil and human rights is BS to begin with.
 
truthatallcost said:
Not at all Nap. I'd criticize any group of people who are constantly working on ways in which to cheat Americans, regardless of race, religion, etc. The fact is that I'm one of the only posters here willing to call out the most sacred of all protected classes, which also wields enormous power in this country. Kiss the ring Nap, kiss the ring.
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Ah, so now it's the "cheating jous." :doh
 
truthatallcost said:
These same people want amnesty & voting rights for the 22 million illegals in the country, and an endless stream of migrant caravans to be granted admission.
And people are still floating around the bogus meme about these groups not being a threat to the USA. Dozens of stories have been printed in the past week depicting Soros as a victim of slander. 1.4 million Republicans in Florida just had their future votes nullified by this cretin and his pals. Now they'll go to work on California, and the domino effect will commence.
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Their ideas suck so what else are their options except to lie, cheat, steal, and manufacture votes?

It is no surprise that dead people, cartoon characters, and now felons vote democrat
 
Peter King said:
How will the future votes be nullified if they have been given their voting right back. Voting rights that should not have been taken from them in the first place. Once your punishment is over, it is over, punishing them extra by denying them their civil and human rights is BS to begin with.
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I'd even argue that a good case can be made which states prisoners themselves should be allowed to vote.

1. It creates a natural buffer against a tyrannical government which imprisons dissidents

2. It creates disincentives for communities vying to host new prisons since their district voters would now include the prisoners.

3. It really is the true position any free country should take: even prisoners have a right to be heard via the ballot box.
 
akyron said:
Their ideas suck so what else are their options except to lie, cheat, steal, and manufacture votes?

It is no surprise that dead people, cartoon characters, and now felons vote democrat
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lol...the only cheaters are the Republicans, as we see today in the states of Georgia, Florida and Arizona.
 
calamity said:
Did you know Maine, which is 96% white and maybe 2% black, allows incarcerated prisoners to vote?

I wonder why no one whines about that. :roll:
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Maybe because...

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I'll bet the groups mentioned in the OP are steaming mad about this.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/09/26/best-worst-thing-every-state/37857241/
 
Peter King said:
How will the future votes be nullified if they have been given their voting right back. Voting rights that should not have been taken from them in the first place. Once your punishment is over, it is over, punishing them extra by denying them their civil and human rights is BS to begin with.
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That's right Pete; nullify the law abiding citizen's vote by replacing it with a felon's vote, then jam the country full of new & undocumented citizens who'll out vote that same law abiding citizen by 3-1. This is the plan for the DNC's future.
 
calamity said:
It's all relative.

How Did Mild-Mannered Maine Get America’s Craziest Governor?
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Oy, I think this is a joib for the ACLU, SPLC, and JWC. We'll foice Maine to resettle moigrants frahm Somalia, and get thoise felony convictions up! Then we'll have a new voiter base to battle the 'whoite supremacists' that don't like our divoisity!

https://apnews.com/7f2b534b80674596875980b9b6e701c9

(this is satire. the poster I'm addressing isn't serious, so I'm joking around)
 
Kal'Stang said:
You're making the mistake that I actually care about the DNC, red, blue, or GOP. I don't. All I care about is the issues presented. Each issue should be judged on its merit and its merit alone.
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Conservatives have been the highly principled segment of American voters, while the other side has no principles or morals. Winning is everything. Demographic numbers are everything. You see this confirmed as progressive policies have resulted in huge numbers of homelessness and housing shortages in California, while those responsible clamor to 'let the migrant caravan' into the state, and stampede over homeless Americans living in the gutter on their way to collect social program $$.

At some point, we're going to either have to start playing hardball like our opponents are, or settle for losing the country.
 
truthatallcost said:
Conservatives have been the highly principled segment of American voters, while the other side has no principles or morals. Winning is everything. Demographic numbers are everything. You see this confirmed as progressive policies have resulted in huge numbers of homelessness and housing shortages in California, while those responsible clamor to 'let the migrant caravan' into the state, and stampede over homeless Americans living in the gutter on their way to collect social program $$.

At some point, we're going to either have to start playing hardball like our opponents are, or settle for losing the country.
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You're making the same mistake that liberals are making with conservatives. Conservatives are no more "highly principled" than Liberals/Progressives. Each side just sees things differently. That is all. Both sides have their pro's and their con's. Their loon bats and their decent folks. Stop focusing so much on the differences. Try and see things from their POV also.
 
No one should be surprised that Jewish people, in general, are liberal when it comes to social causes.

The usual explanation is that Jewish people feel it is a moral imperative to stick up for the underdog (ex-felons, in this case) because of the horrible way that Jewish people were treated in Europe for thousands of years.

I have just read that anti-Semitism is actually returning to France. Because of strict forum rules, I am not allowed to elaborate.
 
Peter King said:
How will the future votes be nullified if they have been given their voting right back. Voting rights that should not have been taken from them in the first place. Once your punishment is over, it is over, punishing them extra by denying them their civil and human rights is BS to begin with.
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I have no comment on your opinion.

I just wanted to thank you in open forum (I do NOT believe in personal messages) for introducing me to Wim Kok.

I have always admired the Netherlands for a variety of reasons.


I have just read an obituary about his life.


I wish that more of our American politicians had his integrity and decency. (Sigh!)
 
TheParser said:
No one should be surprised that Jewish people, in general, are liberal when it comes to social causes.

The usual explanation is that Jewish people feel it is a moral imperative to stick up for the underdog (ex-felons, in this case) because of the horrible way that Jewish people were treated in Europe for thousands of years.

I have just read that anti-Semitism is actually returning to France. Because of strict forum rules, I am not allowed to elaborate.
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The usual explanation doesn't hold water. My relatives were exploited and starved by the British, but that doesn't make me wish ill on the British people alive in 2018, or motivate me to support criminals.

No one alive today suffered from any pogrom, beyond the unpleasantness experienced by reading about them in a book. The idea that pogroms explain why 75-80% of Jews in America vote Democratic is hard to fathom.
 
Kal'Stang said:
You're making the same mistake that liberals are making with conservatives. Conservatives are no more "highly principled" than Liberals/Progressives.
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That's false. Conservatives donate more to help the needy than liberals do. And one Harvard professor found that racial diversity was actually greatest among regular church goers, and military veterans. Church goers and vets tend to lean conservative.

I don't believe liberals even care much for the rule of law, or possess a fair sense of justice. Just consider how they preferred to crucify Brett Kavanaugh's character, without a shred of reliable evidence. This caused Kav's family a lot of grief and suffering. They showed a complete lack of concern for an innocent man, yet they care a great deal about felons? That's not easy to believe.

Each side just sees things differently. That is all. Both sides have their pro's and their con's. Their loon bats and their decent folks. Stop focusing so much on the differences. Try and see things from their POV also.
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I'm very perceptive when it comes to the intention that drives behavior. Liberals support of restoring voting rights of felons is self serving, IMO.
 
truthatallcost said:
The usual explanation doesn't hold water. My relatives were exploited and starved by the British, but that doesn't make me wish ill on the British people alive in 2018, or motivate me to support criminals.

No one alive today suffered from any pogrom, beyond the unpleasantness experienced by reading about them in a book. The idea that pogroms explain why 75-80% of Jews in America vote Democratic is hard to fathom.
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Maybe it's because they know that the Republicans are Fascists.
 
truthatallcost said:
That's right Pete; nullify the law abiding citizen's vote by replacing it with a felon's vote, then jam the country full of new & undocumented citizens who'll out vote that same law abiding citizen by 3-1. This is the plan for the DNC's future.
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Bull crap, when they have completely served their punishment they are no longer a felon, they are free citizens so they must also have equal civil rights as other citizens. To make them pay for something they have served their time for is BULL.
 
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