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Republicans are rigging elections to win. They're anti-voter and anti-democracy

Media_Truth

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I was somewhat surprised to see this blatant attack on Republicans in USA Today. It is in the OPINION section, which is why I posted it under "Partisan Politics".

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...K4CsAI6ZKoWOeLxI-G0jesKdmHvWPrg5IRCXwt_sCnyA4

Republican politicians across the country are scared for their jobs, but instead of coming up with policy proposals to win over more voters, they’re trying to rig our elections.

Whether it’s kicking eligible Americans off the voter lists for simply not voting, refusing to process voter registration cards, moving or shutting down polling places, trying to confuse voters about requirements or any number of other shady tactics, Republicans across the nation are trying to stop eligible voters from voting.

They are, in short, attacking our democracy for their political gain.
 
Media_Truth said:
I was somewhat surprised to see this blatant attack on Republicans in USA Today. It is in the OPINION section, which is why I posted it under "Partisan Politics".

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...K4CsAI6ZKoWOeLxI-G0jesKdmHvWPrg5IRCXwt_sCnyA4

Republican politicians across the country are scared for their jobs, but instead of coming up with policy proposals to win over more voters, they’re trying to rig our elections.

Whether it’s kicking eligible Americans off the voter lists for simply not voting, refusing to process voter registration cards, moving or shutting down polling places, trying to confuse voters about requirements or any number of other shady tactics, Republicans across the nation are trying to stop eligible voters from voting.

They are, in short, attacking our democracy for their political gain.
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Running elections correctly is one of the most important things there is for the leaders to get right, which they should know.

If they cant or wont do it then they really suck.

Surely we should all be able to agree on this.
 
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to quote one of the nicest guys i met during my brief stint with NASCAR:
if you aint cheatin you aint tryin.jpg
the democrats really need to figure this out

they especially need to listen to sean connery
 
Media_Truth said:
I was somewhat surprised to see this blatant attack on Republicans in USA Today. It is in the OPINION section, which is why I posted it under "Partisan Politics".

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...K4CsAI6ZKoWOeLxI-G0jesKdmHvWPrg5IRCXwt_sCnyA4

Republican politicians across the country are scared for their jobs, but instead of coming up with policy proposals to win over more voters, they’re trying to rig our elections.

Whether it’s kicking eligible Americans off the voter lists for simply not voting, refusing to process voter registration cards, moving or shutting down polling places, trying to confuse voters about requirements or any number of other shady tactics, Republicans across the nation are trying to stop eligible voters from voting.

They are, in short, attacking our democracy for their political gain.
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Well, it's true. The GOP has long been the party of voter suppression and other dirty tricks to win elections. They've stolen more races than they've actually won legitimately.
 
Kobie said:
Well, it's true. The GOP has long been the party of voter suppression and other dirty tricks to win elections. They've stolen more races than they've actually won legitimately.
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*cough* bullsh!t
 
Media_Truth said:
I was somewhat surprised to see this blatant attack on Republicans in USA Today. It is in the OPINION section, which is why I posted it under "Partisan Politics".

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...K4CsAI6ZKoWOeLxI-G0jesKdmHvWPrg5IRCXwt_sCnyA4

Republican politicians across the country are scared for their jobs, but instead of coming up with policy proposals to win over more voters, they’re trying to rig our elections.

Whether it’s kicking eligible Americans off the voter lists for simply not voting, refusing to process voter registration cards, moving or shutting down polling places, trying to confuse voters about requirements or any number of other shady tactics, Republicans across the nation are trying to stop eligible voters from voting.

They are, in short, attacking our democracy for their political gain.
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There’s actually no constitutional right to to remain on a voter list indefinitely, nor to vote at your preferred location, that is thus not voter suppression

It’s funny because your own source contains unproven allegations as to the motive for closing polling places, it simply repeats a claim made by a special interest group as though it is proven fact, it is not
 
EMNofSeattle said:
There’s actually no constitutional right to to remain on a voter list indefinitely, nor to vote at your preferred location, that is thus not voter suppression

It’s funny because your own source contains unproven allegations as to the motive for closing polling places, it simply repeats a claim made by a special interest group as though it is proven fact, it is not
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15th amendment:
1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the
United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of
servitude.
2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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19th amendment:
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the
United States or by any State on account of sex.
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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26th amendment:
1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to
vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of
age.
2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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[emphasis added by bubba to make a point]

it is obvious that the congress must be willing to enforce the voting rights and the obligation to not allow them to become denied or abridged

it would appear to many that the congress, at best, has not been diligent in ensuring voting rights and very possibly has been complicit in allowing those rights to be denied and abridged
 
Kobie said:
Well, it's true. The GOP has long been the party of voter suppression and other dirty tricks to win elections. They've stolen more races than they've actually won legitimately.
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And ignorance like that is why the democrats continue to struggle.
 
justabubba said:
15th amendment:

19th amendment:

26th amendment:
[emphasis added by bubba to make a point]

it is obvious that the congress must be willing to enforce the voting rights and the obligation to not allow them to become denied or abridged

it would appear to many that the congress, at best, has not been diligent in ensuring voting rights and very possibly has been complicit in allowing those rights to be denied and abridged
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Nothing in that requires polling places be open in specific locations or that voter rolls be maintained with zero activity in perpetuity


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Crovax said:
And ignorance like that is why the democrats continue to struggle.
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Oh, ok. Dude, I've forgotten more about politics and the underhanded tactics Republicans will use than you've ever known, so howsabout you just shut your ****ing trap.

The Republican Party is a criminal enterprise. Don't like that? I don't give a ****.
 
Media_Truth said:
I was somewhat surprised to see this blatant attack on Republicans in USA Today. It is in the OPINION section, which is why I posted it under "Partisan Politics".

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...K4CsAI6ZKoWOeLxI-G0jesKdmHvWPrg5IRCXwt_sCnyA4

Republican politicians across the country are scared for their jobs, but instead of coming up with policy proposals to win over more voters, they’re trying to rig our elections.

Whether it’s kicking eligible Americans off the voter lists for simply not voting, refusing to process voter registration cards, moving or shutting down polling places, trying to confuse voters about requirements or any number of other shady tactics, Republicans across the nation are trying to stop eligible voters from voting.

They are, in short, attacking our democracy for their political gain.
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They left out we also enjoy fresh puppy livers for lunch.
I like mine with caramelized onions....with a side of kitten tongue soup.

Hey, if you are going to post opinionated propaganda, then pull out all the stops and do it right.
 
PleasantValley said:
They left out we also enjoy fresh puppy livers for lunch.
I like mine with caramelized onions....with a side of kitten tongue soup.

Hey, if you are going to post opinionated propaganda, then pull out all the stops and do it right.
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It was opinion, and published on the opinion page, but he gives examples, and in general there isn't any question that the goal of GOP led voting rules changes for years has been making it harder to register and to vote. The GOP are as a party pushing these rules changes well into the black, as a number of court losses indicate. Essentially the GOP strategy is to push the limits as far as the courts will let them, and AFAIK every rule change, or nearly so, by the GOP restricts rather than expands voting.

If the GOP approved, it made registering and/or voting more difficult, which will of course reduce the number registering or voting. That's the goal.

North Dakota is a good example. If people cared about voting, making a provision in the law requiring physical addresses could be waived if that population is served by the USPS only by P.O. Boxes. Seems non-coincidental that those affected (native Americans on reservations) are more likely Democrats and those passing the law are Republican, because that basic fact pattern repeats itself with incredible frequency.

Wonder why with nearly all known 'voter fraud' being related to absentee voting that the people worried about 'voter fraud' so rarely target absentee voting? Could be that the data show it's likely that Republicans use absentee ballots at a higher rate than Democrats....
 
JasperL said:
It was opinion, and published on the opinion page, but he gives examples, and in general there isn't any question that the goal of GOP led voting rules changes for years has been making it harder to register and to vote. The GOP are as a party pushing these rules changes well into the black, as a number of court losses indicate. Essentially the GOP strategy is to push the limits as far as the courts will let them, and AFAIK every rule change, or nearly so, by the GOP restricts rather than expands voting.

If the GOP approved, it made registering and/or voting more difficult, which will of course reduce the number registering or voting. That's the goal.

North Dakota is a good example. If people cared about voting, making a provision in the law requiring physical addresses could be waived if that population is served by the USPS only by P.O. Boxes. Seems non-coincidental that those affected (native Americans on reservations) are more likely Democrats and those passing the law are Republican, because that basic fact pattern repeats itself with incredible frequency.

Wonder why with nearly all known 'voter fraud' being related to absentee voting that the people worried about 'voter fraud' so rarely target absentee voting? Could be that the data show it's likely that Republicans use absentee ballots at a higher rate than Democrats....
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That you for your considered and polite reply.
It was still his opinion and nothing more.

If someone hates you, and then sits down and tries to justify it, there is no reason I should listen to them.
They have already made their heart known to me.
They hate me.
I do not need to hear anything after that or listen to who they have justified it in their mind.
The fact they hate is is all I need to hear to ignore everything they say after that.

I personally bled for this country and for our democratic system.
How dare he say i am anti-voter and anti-democracy.
It is still just hate-based inflammatory rhetoric and partisan propaganda.

The use of negative adjectives should be your first clue.
Second is raw emotionalism
Third is suffering children.

All three are indicators of hateful propaganda.
 
So let's see…here we have two partisan talking points as to why the other side is cheating. One main claims "suppression" the other "illegal ballots".

On the one side there is evidence of gerrymandering, voter ID laws, closing certain voting stations, odd rules/procedures and auditing voter registrations etc.

On the other we have conjecture based on 11,000,000+ illegal residence in the country who shouldn't be voting and stories/whispers of shading deals such as voting for retirement home residences etc.

I certainly see how a rational person would dismiss the later as conspiracy in light of the small amount of convictions for elections fraud and come to the conclusion that republican party is the shady political actor.

Having dealt however with the internal politics of both and having had the chance to do some analysis on the numbers to detect the probability of fraud and its likely effect on outcomes. I confidently think such a rational person is mislead by underestimating how the system as a whole is uninterested in being fully transparent least it expose the extremely dirty tactics and dishonesty on both sides; yet, strongly think this conclusion is miscalculation on the part of republicans as the political underbelly is still highly favouring democrats.
 
PleasantValley said:
That you for your considered and polite reply.
It was still his opinion and nothing more.

If someone hates you, and then sits down and tries to justify it, there is no reason I should listen to them.
They have already made their heart known to me.
They hate me.
I do not need to hear anything after that or listen to who they have justified it in their mind.
The fact they hate is is all I need to hear to ignore everything they say after that.

I personally bled for this country and for our democratic system.
How dare he say i am anti-voter and anti-democracy.
It is still just hate-based inflammatory rhetoric and partisan propaganda.

The use of negative adjectives should be your first clue.
Second is raw emotionalism
Third is suffering children.

All three are indicators of hateful propaganda.
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"Suffering children"? Didn't see that reference. There is a certain Rush Limbaughish anger to the tone of the article. I think this leads to one of two conclusions. Either the gentleman knows something, and is very upset, or his relatively new organization is funded by Political Democrats. The source is cited.

Abe Rakov serves as Chairman of the Board of Advisors for Let America Vote, a national voting-rights organization. He served as the Deputy Secretary of State of Missouri from 2014-2015.

It would NOT be surprising to me, if the Democrats started funding these type of organizations. Republicans have put such vast sums of money into "smear" organizations like the Heartland Institute, Donor's Trust, Judicial Watch, Breitbart, and many, many others. Do you really expect Democrats to continue to sit back in the armchair?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Nothing in that requires polling places be open in specific locations or that voter rolls be maintained with zero activity in perpetuity


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So they're just working loopholes.

That's better.

Not.

Great.
 
Kobie said:
Well, it's true. The GOP has long been the party of voter suppression and other dirty tricks to win elections. They've stolen more races than they've actually won legitimately.
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Black-Panthers-Atlanta.jpg

 
PleasantValley said:
They left out we also enjoy fresh puppy livers for lunch.
I like mine with caramelized onions....with a side of kitten tongue soup.

Hey, if you are going to post opinionated propaganda, then pull out all the stops and do it right.
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It certainly does appear, quite clearly, that some states legistatures looked at where dems were winning, how they were doing it, and then just accidently did away with that method. Like ending Daly voting g in places where that was working.

Demanding ID and then just accidently closing the only DMV in an area where dems lived.

Less machines where demsote, extra where repubs vote.

I can believe my eyes or I can believe Republicans that they aren't up to no good.

A voter ID law that doesn't include an ID "drive" is an attempt to suppress the vote. Full stop. I've never seen one that does.
 
Minority unemployment! No....cant run on that. Jobs...cant run on that. The economy! Nope...thats on lock. Consumer confidence...wages...growth? Nope...nope...nope...all are improving. Manufacturing jobs...no...wait...never mind...we said those were gone for good and they are coming back so obviously we cant run on that...ummm...border security? No...actually it looks like universally people want better border security.

Well...****....what DO we run on?

What we have ALWAYS run on. Hatred, accusations of sexism, accusations of racism, shriek about social security and how they are stealing the poor peoples money and giving it to the rich, fabricate lies about stealing elections...you know....the only things we are actually GOOD at.


Say........ya know...it just might work!
 
EMNofSeattle said:
There’s actually no constitutional right to to remain on a voter list indefinitely, nor to vote at your preferred location, that is thus not voter suppression

It’s funny because your own source contains unproven allegations as to the motive for closing polling places, it simply repeats a claim made by a special interest group as though it is proven fact, it is not
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Why does it have to be a constitutional right?

Shouldn't it just be very convenient for voters to vote?

By making it more difficult for certain demographic populations more difficult to vote it is absolutely voter suppression no matter what bull**** excuses you use to justify it...
 
PleasantValley said:
That you for your considered and polite reply.
It was still his opinion and nothing more.

If someone hates you, and then sits down and tries to justify it, there is no reason I should listen to them.
They have already made their heart known to me.
They hate me.
I do not need to hear anything after that or listen to who they have justified it in their mind.
The fact they hate is is all I need to hear to ignore everything they say after that.

I personally bled for this country and for our democratic system.
How dare he say i am anti-voter and anti-democracy.
It is still just hate-based inflammatory rhetoric and partisan propaganda.

The use of negative adjectives should be your first clue.
Second is raw emotionalism
Third is suffering children.

All three are indicators of hateful propaganda.
Click to expand...

Propaganda is all both sides have left.

Because the truth is both sides are just working for the donor class at this point.
 
Define infringe.
 
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