Where are the Republicans going?

James972 said:

...so then you support eliminating idiotic liberal programs: taxes, unions, regulations, trade deals, budget deficits, and expensive liberal healthcare etc?? Conservatives would eliminate those idiotic programs to reduce our trade surpluses and greatly enhance our economy! Do you understand?

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Where are the Republicans going?[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]James972, Republicans believe themselves to be conservatives, but I suppose they'll adopt any political label that would suit their purposes. They are not more or less patriotic than any other USA citizens. [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]They do not represent the majority of USA's population, and although they represent the majority of U.S. Congressional Districts, Republican federal elected office holders are not the choice of our nation's majority of voters.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If voters are ranked by wealth, The majority of wealthier voters are Republicans. I've been led to believe the overwhelming majority of corporation share owners and their executives are Republicans. I'm also told that the same for military and law enforcement officers and their lower ranks, but I have less confidence in those reports.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Among other professions where a Republican majority might exist, those majorities are not overwhelming. Within some professions, the majority of practitioners are not Republicans.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Our nation's demographics are detrimental to a party the policies being currently advocated by Republicans. I believe and suppose in the not distant and possibly near future, Republicans will have significantly lesser influence upon USA's policies.[/FONT][/FONT]
Respectfully, Supposn

I'm Supposn said:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Where are the Republicans going?[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]James972, Republicans believe themselves to be conservatives, but I suppose they'll adopt any political label that would suit their purposes. They are not more or less patriotic than any other USA citizens. [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]They do not represent the majority of USA's population, and although they represent the majority of U.S. Congressional Districts, Republican federal elected office holders are not the choice of our nation's majority of voters.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If voters are ranked by wealth, The majority of wealthier voters are Republicans. I've been led to believe the overwhelming majority of corporation share owners and their executives are Republicans. I'm also told that the same for military and law enforcement officers and their lower ranks, but I have less confidence in those reports.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Among other professions where a Republican majority might exist, those majorities are not overwhelming. Within some professions, the majority of practitioners are not Republicans.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Our nation's demographics are detrimental to a party the policies being currently advocated by Republicans. I believe and suppose in the not distant and possibly near future, Republicans will have significantly lesser influence upon USA's policies.[/FONT][/FONT]
Respectfully, Supposn

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Republicans. Elieve in fiscal respondibility and work. Having said that why would I as a partner in a business that generated $40-60k a year in tax revenue (employee + business), not be concerned about how the nation spends tax money?

Republicans and the Affordable Care Act, (ACA).

Historically, governments medical technology was less advanced and governments did little to help those who suffered crippling disabilities and/or died sooner.
Elimination of increased pricing due to previous medical conditions are sustainable only if the medical insurance coverages are spread to ensure effectively more or less our entire population. A national health plan that doesn't ensure those who are less well would certainly be of lesser insurance cost. Many of those considering themselves to be conservatives. also consider the phrase in the U.S. Constitution's preamble, “and promote the general wellfare”, to be meaningless widow dressing.

Many Republicans believe because crippling disabilities and sooner deaths sufficed for us before, it's should continue as proper conservative governing, (and proper governing is Republican governing).
Republicans have thus far failed in their efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act. Experiences regarding ACA are evolving to be similar to that of Social Security and Medicare. Social Security has been described as a “political third-rail”. Our elderly population segment have the time and make efforts to pay attention and vote. Federal Affordable Care is joining Social Security and Medicare as programs that bite back hard when attacked.

Republicans should beware of their wishes. If they could eliminate or sufficiently cripple the Affordable Care laws, a future U.S. administration and congress will inevitably enact a federal single payer universal basic medical insurance that will not ever be repealed.

Respectfully, Supposn

chuckiechan said:

Republicans. Elieve in fiscal respondibility and work.

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You know, I have to say in my experience this is true: literally every Republican I've known well enough to know their beliefs and habits do believe in hard work and fiscal responsibility. But of all of those, literally 100% were also actually lazy asses. My old boss would blow into the office around 10 or 11 for example and would usually split by 3 to go fishing. Meanwhile, I'd usually show up around 4 or 5 AM and not leave till 11 PM. My wife's parents love to talk about hard work, but the few times we actually did something together that required work, they were always taking smoke breaks and drinking beers while she and I were working on through. I once told her mom that I had regularly worked shifts that were 30 hours long or longer when setting up new stores, and her comment at that time was that "well, that's just what you have to do sometimes," all while she goes off on that "hard work" rhetoric. Later that very same night she bragged about how she just stood her ground and would never work more than an eight hour shift, no matter what her company needed.

Now I'm sure there are some actually hard-working Republicans out there. It's just that I've never met them.

The Republican's revenue-neutural tax-cuts?
The Republican's Tax Cuts and Jobs Act passed in December 2017.

The “revenue-neutral” tax-cuts substantially increases our federal debt. How is that revenue-neutral?

The revenue-neutral tax-cuts substantially favor the wealthy and its shortfall is proposed to be partially offset by reducing Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid benefits. Republicans suggest no feasible proposal for offsetting its entire shortfall.

The revenue-neutral tax-cuts substantially favor the wealthy, But all Republican proposed offsets to the act's financial shortfalls which increase our federal debt, are to be essentially paid by wage earners and their dependents; (i.e. paid by our nation's least wealthy and the poor}.
Respectfully, Supposn

Excerpted from
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/us/politics/senate-tax-bill.html :
Democrats opposed the tax bill as a bloc, saying it was meant to help the wealthy and not the middle class. With the Senate split 52 to 48, Republicans barely had votes to spare. But the bill’s passage was made possible by a near-complete Republican embrace of the idea that about $1.5 trillion of tax cuts will pay for themselves, by producing enough economic growth and additional federal revenue to offset their costs to the Treasury.
That belief was contradicted by several studies, including one from Congress’s official economic scorekeeper, which Republicans dismissed as overly pessimistic.
Mr. McConnell waved off any deficit concerns. “I’m totally confident this is a revenue-neutral bill,” he said. “I think it’s going to be a revenue producer.”
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excerpted from
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/16/mitch-mcconnell-federal-budget-deficit-tax-cuts :
A day after the treasury department announced the federal budget deficit had reached $779bn, Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell said popular government programs, not massive tax cuts passed by Republicans last year, were to blame.
Independent analyses have found the tax cuts have caused the deficit to balloon faster than predicted. In an interview with Bloomberg News on Tuesday, however, McConnell rejected that argument.
Citing federal spending on healthcare and retirement benefits such as Medicare, Medicaid, and social security, McConnell said changes to such programs would require cooperation from Democrats.

chuckiechan said:

Republicans. Elieve in fiscal respondibility and work. Having said that why would I as a partner in a business that generated $40-60k a year in tax revenue (employee + business), not be concerned about how the nation spends tax money?

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LOL! Not a single shred of historical evidence backs that contention up.

I'm posting this here because pretty much all he says in 110% the truth and what's wrong with the CURRENT GOP, NOT just Trump, but the CURRENT GOP. Including their BS about being 'fiscally responsible'. They are no such thing anymore. And his point that the GOP allowed someone like Trump, is dead on too. Which is why the current GOP is doing nothing while Trump lies, and further divides the nation. The Republican Party's allies in the Con media have been lying and dividing the country for years, and the GOP never tried to stop them. So it is no surprise they are letting Trump get away with his lies and divisiveness.

Rep. David Jolly ‘You can’t be never-Trump and be a Republican:’ Why former Congressman David Jolly left the GOP...

My wife and I are celebrating the imminent arrival of our first child, a daughter. Through no choosing of her own, our little girl will inevitably be born into a political household, a household in which her mom and I hope to live the political and moral principles we believe are right, and to prepare our daughter to someday make her own informed choices.

Three years ago, I was a sitting Republican member of Congress who took to the House floor and called on then-candidate Donald Trump to drop out of the presidential race over his proposal to ban immigrants and asylum-seekers based on their religious faith.

I had not previously supported Trump during the presidential primary, nor did I ever come around to supporting his candidacy or his presidency, despite the overwhelming majority of Republican leaders who have dutifully fallen in line behind the brash, irreverent and often offensive leader of the party.

Three years later I find myself fully immersed in a dwindling coalition of Republicans often referred to as never-Trumpers. That is, I was immersed in that coalition — last month I came to the conclusion that it was time to finally leave the Republican Party and registered with no party affiliation.

My reason is simple: Never-Trumpism must also be a rejection of today’s GOP orthodoxy, not just the president himself.

The verdict is in, and it is clear. You either support Trump or you oppose him. You either find valor in his no-nonsense, boorish approach, or you find weakness and shamefulness both in the man and in the image he projects on the nation.

But Trump did not, as many have suggested, merely hijack a political party in order to rise to the most powerful position in the world. He walked right through the front door into the welcoming arms of a coalition that was eagerly awaiting his leadership and his ascendency, a coalition that had long since abandoned conservatism for the more satisfying ideology of angry populism.

It was a Faustian bargain. He used the GOP for his own purpose, and the GOP used him for its own agenda in return.

Trump did not, as many have suggested, merely hijack a political party in order to rise to the most powerful position in the world. He walked right through the front door.


The examples are many. To abandon any legitimate attempt to solve pressing healthcare problems for the American people simply because of entrenched opposition to Barack Obama displays not only heartless indifference, but intellectual bankruptcy. To condone the separating of children and parents and the detention of youths seeking freedom invalidates any rational positing that a party cherishes and values human life.

My leaving the party is a personal rejection of Donald Trump, but it is also a rejection of today’s GOP orthodoxy and the partisanship it craves.

To knowingly overlook racial animus and the stoking of racial division undermines not just a party’s moral authority but the personal integrity of those who support it. To ruthlessly pursue economic policies that exacerbate class disparity and needlessly limit opportunity for the least fortunate among us, while enriching the wealthiest and rewarding large donors, reflects not a spirit of humanity, but a spirit of both greed and spite. To speak of personal responsibility but laughingly cast our own generation’s debt obligations upon our children is not leadership. It’s selfishness.

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https://en.brinkwire.com/news/rep-david-jolly-you-cant-be-never-trump-and-be-a-republican-why-former-congressman-david-jolly-left-the-gop/

I'm Supposn said:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Where are the Republicans going?[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]James972, Republicans believe themselves to be conservatives, but I suppose they'll adopt any political label that would suit their purposes. They are not more or less patriotic than any other USA citizens. [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]They do not represent the majority of USA's population, and although they represent the majority of U.S. Congressional Districts, Republican federal elected office holders are not the choice of our nation's majority of voters.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If voters are ranked by wealth, The majority of wealthier voters are Republicans. I've been led to believe the overwhelming majority of corporation share owners and their executives are Republicans. I'm also told that the same for military and law enforcement officers and their lower ranks, but I have less confidence in those reports.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Among other professions where a Republican majority might exist, those majorities are not overwhelming. Within some professions, the majority of practitioners are not Republicans.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Our nation's demographics are detrimental to a party the policies being currently advocated by Republicans. I believe and suppose in the not distant and possibly near future, Republicans will have significantly lesser influence upon USA's policies.[/FONT][/FONT]
Respectfully, Supposn

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Conservatives my ass!!

I'm Supposn said:

2018 elections, ACA, and pre-existing medical conditions.

This Tuesday we’ll learn to what extent voters’ perceptions of the Affordable Care Act have already changed. Republican candidates are fearful and they’re promising to “protect” the prohibition of ACA insurers to increase prices of applicants due to their pre-existing medical conditions. This is occurring while Republican attorney generals are opposing the federal government's right to enforce those same prohibitions. ...If the Republicans efforts to undermine the Affordable Care Act should ever succeed, USA would inevitably later adopt a more substantial federal healthcare policy. That later created policy would more likely be federal universal single payer medical insurance.​

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Respectfully, Supposn

chuckiechan said:

Elieve in fiscal respondibility and work.

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What are you, a hundred years old? When did the GOP ever believe in fiscal responsibility in modern memory?

chuckiechan said:

Republicans believe in fiscal responsibility and work. Having said that why would I as a partner in a business that generated $40-60k a year in tax revenue (employee + business), not be concerned about how the nation spends tax money?

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ChuckieChan, refer to post #5. Respectfully, Supposn

Greenbeard said:

What are you, a hundred years old? When did the GOP ever believe in fiscal responsibility in modern memory?

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The Repubs believe in fiscal responsibility when the Dems control congress.
Whenever the GOP has control of those purse strings, they amazingly forget all about fiscal responsibility.

I'm Supposn said:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Where are the Republicans going?[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]James972, Republicans believe themselves to be conservatives, but I suppose they'll adopt any political label that would suit their purposes. They are not more or less patriotic than any other USA citizens. [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]They do not represent the majority of USA's population, and although they represent the majority of U.S. Congressional Districts, Republican federal elected office holders are not the choice of our nation's majority of voters.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If voters are ranked by wealth, The majority of wealthier voters are Republicans. I've been led to believe the overwhelming majority of corporation share owners and their executives are Republicans. I'm also told that the same for military and law enforcement officers and their lower ranks, but I have less confidence in those reports.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Among other professions where a Republican majority might exist, those majorities are not overwhelming. Within some professions, the majority of practitioners are not Republicans.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Our nation's demographics are detrimental to a party the policies being currently advocated by Republicans. I believe and suppose in the not distant and possibly near future, Republicans will have significantly lesser influence upon USA's policies.[/FONT][/FONT]
Respectfully, Supposn

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Had to recheck the date of your thread. Sounds exactly like what the left were saying in 2016. The Republican party is dead, never to be heard from again. Blah. Blah. Blah.

If the GOP was fiscally conservative they would have passed deficit reduction plans coupled with spending cuts first and foremost. If the tax cut raised the deficit than it was the wrong legislation to put into play.

Greenbeard said:

What are you, a hundred years old? When did the GOP ever believe in fiscal responsibility in modern memory?

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GOP is all about fiscal responsibility which is why they proposed 30 Balanced Budgets Amendments to make deficits illegal. They stated with Jefferson. All were killed by fiscally irresponsible Democrats. Is this really hard to understand? > A BBA will be passed the moment Democrats decide to be fiscally responsible.

Blue Dog said:

If the GOP was fiscally conservative they would have passed deficit reduction plans.

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it would have been politically suicidal obviously. It can only happen when there is enough support for it. Do you understand?

James972 said:

GOP is all about fiscal responsibility which is why they proposed 30 Balanced Budgets Amendments to make deficits illegal. They stated with Jefferson. All were killed by fiscally irresponsible Democrats. Is this really hard to understand? > A BBA will be passed the moment Democrats decide to be fiscally responsible.

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Seeing as they've controlled the Budget Committee for the better part of this decade, they could just, you know, balance the budget. Sans amendment.

The reality is they're running trillion dollar deficits in peacetime during a period of economic expansion. That's unprecedented. The modern GOP is the most fiscally irresponsible party in the history of the republic.

Greenbeard said:

Seeing as they've controlled the Budget Committee for the better part of this decade, they could just, you know, balance the budget. Sans amendment.

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it would be suicidal given the lack of support. Do you support?

James972 said:

it would be suicidal given the lack of support. Do you support?

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I'm old enough to remember when you made the laughable claim that the "GOP is all about fiscal responsibility." Good times.

Greenbeard said:

I'm old enough to remember when you made the laughable claim that the "GOP is all about fiscal responsibility." Good times.

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GOP introduced 30 Balanced Budget Amendments( all killed by Democrats) to prove they are fiscally responsible. Democrats cant be responsible. It would threaten their ability to buy votes by promising more welfare.

James972 said:

GOP introduced 30 Balanced Budget Amendments( all killed by Democrats) to prove they are fiscally responsible.

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Neat. They're running a trillion dollar deficit.

Greenbeard said:

Neat. They're running a trillion dollar deficit.

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they are not, Democrats are since they are majority and they are very opposed to fiscal responsibility because they need to promise always more welfare to survive.

James972 said:

they are not, Democrats are since they are majority

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Greenbeard said:

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translation: I'm a liberal; as usual I lost the debate so I'll post videos to change subject and hope no one figures out what I'm doing.

James972 said:

translation: I'm a liberal; as usual I lost the debate so I'll post videos to change subject and hope no one figures out what I'm doing.

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How do you "debate" a kid who doesn't even know which party is in control? Just enjoy the gif, bud.