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Equal Time: Cuban American 'mob' protests Democrats in Florida

Check all correct statements.

  • Regardless of politics, Americans should be able to enjoy a meal in a restaurant.

    Votes: 1 20.0%

  • Regardless of politics, Americans should be able to speak where invited.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Regardless of politics, Americans should be able to lead a normal life.

    Votes: 4 80.0%

  • It is okay to punish, harass, verbally assault etc. your opponent.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
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AlbqOwl

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I prefaced the thread title 'equal time' because this time I cannot support the anti-Democrats behavior. People identified by the Miami Herald as "Cuban Americans" became an angry mob verbally assaulting a Democrat candidate and those Democrats, including Nancy Pelosi, who were there to support the Democrat candidate.

Why? Because a Castro sympathizer/supporter, at least at one time, was scheduled to speak at the campaign event.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article220134190.html

What is the problem?

Those of us who view in disgust and contempt and condemn the mob mentality that thinks it is okay to mob and harass Republican or conservative people in restaurants, at the theater or sporting events, or prevent them from speaking at events to which they are invited cannot have it both ways. If it is wrong to do to Sarah Huckabee Sanders what happened at a restaurant or any others that have been in the news lately, it is wrong to do to Nancy Pelosi or any other leftist or Democratic candidate.

The Constitution intended that the brave New World that America was supposed to be would not be governed by either dictator or mob rule. Our differences of opinion would be settled at the voting booth and they specified there that the voting booth would not be controlled by either a tyranny of the minority or a tyranny of the majority.

Mob rule is the tool of facists, anarchists, and others who think diversity of thought, belief, conviction should be silenced, punished and bludgeoned into submission. It is shameful to harass, threaten, disallow your opponent to enjoy a meal at a restaurant, or attend a theater, or otherwise lead a normal life. And they stop at no depths of depravity when they seek to destroy a person professionally, personally, socially for no other reason that they disagree with something he or she said or wrote or because he/she stands in their way of their having political control over everybody else. And when they resort to vandalism, arson, battery, threats, deadly attacks, it should be criminal anywhere it occurs.

We must be better than that. What those Cubans did in Miami is just as wrong as is all the rest of it.

Agree or Disagree.
 
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Darn, forgot to make the poll multiple choice. If a mod can fix that it would be appreciated. Otherwise just pick an answer.
 
This harassing people in public is getting out of hand. If I'm out for dinner and some idiots start causing a scene because they dislike a politician who is dining there or a patron wearing certain apparel I'm going to be all kinds of pissed off. It's unfair to the restaurant owner, the employees and the other patrons.

Feel free to have your opinion but have enough respect for others that you'll allow them to have theirs as well.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I prefaced the thread title 'equal time' because this time I cannot support the anti-Democrats behavior. People identified by the Miami Herald as "Cuban Americans" became an angry mob verbally assaulting a Democrat candidate and those Democrats, including Nancy Pelosi, who were there to support the Democrat candidate.

Why? Because a Castro sympathizer/supporter, at least at one time, was scheduled to speak at the campaign event.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article220134190.html

What is the problem?

Those of us who view in disgust and contempt and condemn the mob mentality that thinks it is okay to mob and harass Republican or conservative people in restaurants, at the theater or sporting events, or prevent them from speaking at events to which they are invited cannot have it both ways. If it is wrong to do to Sarah Huckabee Sanders what happened at a restaurant or any others that have been in the news lately, it is wrong to do to Nancy Pelosi or any other leftist or Democratic candidate.

The Constitution intended that the brave New World that America was supposed to be would not be governed by either dictator or mob rule. Our differences of opinion would be settled at the voting booth and they specified there that the voting booth would not be controlled by either a tyranny of the minority or a tyranny of the majority.

Mob rule is the tool of facists, anarchists, and others who think diversity of thought, belief, conviction should be silenced, punished and bludgeoned into submission. It is shameful to harass, threaten, disallow your opponent to enjoy a meal at a restaurant, or attend a theater, or otherwise lead a normal life. And they stop at no depths of depravity when they seek to destroy a person professionally, personally, socially for no other reason that they disagree with something he or she said or wrote or because he/she stands in their way of their having political control over everybody else. And when they resort to vandalism, arson, battery, threats, deadly attacks, it should be criminal anywhere it occurs.

We must be better than that. What those Cubans did in Miami is just as wrong as is all the rest of it.

Agree or Disagree.
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Agreed.
 
Talk about hypocrites...

Diaz said the group came together because they’re all against dictators in countries such as Nicaragua, Venezuela and Cuba. Protesters acted angrily, he said, because they’re offended that Shalala and Mucarsel-Powell invited Lee to Miami. Opponent Maria Elvira Salazar was quoted in the Miami Herald Wednesday explaining that she’d like President Donald Trump to meet with Raúl Castro, but the protestors had no vitriol for the Republican candidate.
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The group claims to be against dictators...but never mind that Trump only seems to support dictators and wants to be one himself.

Either those people are extremely stupid...or they're getting paid to protest.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I prefaced the thread title 'equal time' because this time I cannot support the anti-Democrats behavior. People identified by the Miami Herald as "Cuban Americans" became an angry mob verbally assaulting a Democrat candidate and those Democrats, including Nancy Pelosi, who were there to support the Democrat candidate.

Why? Because a Castro sympathizer/supporter, at least at one time, was scheduled to speak at the campaign event.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article220134190.html

What is the problem?

Those of us who view in disgust and contempt and condemn the mob mentality that thinks it is okay to mob and harass Republican or conservative people in restaurants, at the theater or sporting events, or prevent them from speaking at events to which they are invited cannot have it both ways. If it is wrong to do to Sarah Huckabee Sanders what happened at a restaurant or any others that have been in the news lately, it is wrong to do to Nancy Pelosi or any other leftist or Democratic candidate.

The Constitution intended that the brave New World that America was supposed to be would not be governed by either dictator or mob rule. Our differences of opinion would be settled at the voting booth and they specified there that the voting booth would not be controlled by either a tyranny of the minority or a tyranny of the majority.

Mob rule is the tool of facists, anarchists, and others who think diversity of thought, belief, conviction should be silenced, punished and bludgeoned into submission. It is shameful to harass, threaten, disallow your opponent to enjoy a meal at a restaurant, or attend a theater, or otherwise lead a normal life. And they stop at no depths of depravity when they seek to destroy a person professionally, personally, socially for no other reason that they disagree with something he or she said or wrote or because he/she stands in their way of their having political control over everybody else. And when they resort to vandalism, arson, battery, threats, deadly attacks, it should be criminal anywhere it occurs.

We must be better than that. What those Cubans did in Miami is just as wrong as is all the rest of it.

Agree or Disagree.
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Agree.

That video of them banging on the doors was kind of scary, I wouldn't feel safe in there. There are better and more peaceful ways to protest.
 
Lutherf said:
This harassing people in public is getting out of hand. If I'm out for dinner and some idiots start causing a scene because they dislike a politician who is dining there or a patron wearing certain apparel I'm going to be all kinds of pissed off. It's unfair to the restaurant owner, the employees and the other patrons.

Feel free to have your opinion but have enough respect for others that you'll allow them to have theirs as well.
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Yes it is unfair to all of us trying to have a nice meal or whatever, and it is unfair to the target of whatever opinion or political identification. Anybody who believes in liberty believes everybody should be able to hold whatever opinions or beliefs they hold however wrong we believe them to be. We don't have to condone their words or beliefs. We don't have to vote for them. But if we do not allow people to be who and what they are--so long as they aren't in our face about it--and if we do not accept the orderly and peaceful transfer of power as determined by the people's vote, then we no longer have a representative republic. We have anarchy or fascism or worse.

Unless those of us who believe it is pure evil to attack people for no other reason than we disagree with them don't start speaking up, it will only get worse. And the thugs, and goons, and mob mentality will prevail. And then we will all be screwed.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I prefaced the thread title 'equal time' because this time I cannot support the anti-Democrats behavior. People identified by the Miami Herald as "Cuban Americans" became an angry mob verbally assaulting a Democrat candidate and those Democrats, including Nancy Pelosi, who were there to support the Democrat candidate.

Why? Because a Castro sympathizer/supporter, at least at one time, was scheduled to speak at the campaign event.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article220134190.html

What is the problem?

Those of us who view in disgust and contempt and condemn the mob mentality that thinks it is okay to mob and harass Republican or conservative people in restaurants, at the theater or sporting events, or prevent them from speaking at events to which they are invited cannot have it both ways. If it is wrong to do to Sarah Huckabee Sanders what happened at a restaurant or any others that have been in the news lately, it is wrong to do to Nancy Pelosi or any other leftist or Democratic candidate.

The Constitution intended that the brave New World that America was supposed to be would not be governed by either dictator or mob rule. Our differences of opinion would be settled at the voting booth and they specified there that the voting booth would not be controlled by either a tyranny of the minority or a tyranny of the majority.

Mob rule is the tool of facists, anarchists, and others who think diversity of thought, belief, conviction should be silenced, punished and bludgeoned into submission. It is shameful to harass, threaten, disallow your opponent to enjoy a meal at a restaurant, or attend a theater, or otherwise lead a normal life. And they stop at no depths of depravity when they seek to destroy a person professionally, personally, socially for no other reason that they disagree with something he or she said or wrote or because he/she stands in their way of their having political control over everybody else. And when they resort to vandalism, arson, battery, threats, deadly attacks, it should be criminal anywhere it occurs.

We must be better than that. What those Cubans did in Miami is just as wrong as is all the rest of it.

Agree or Disagree.
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Where is the option for none of these?
 
Moot said:
Talk about hypocrites...



The group claims to be against dictators...but never mind that Trump only seems to support dictators and wants to be one himself.

Either those people are extremely stupid...or they're getting paid to protest.
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News Flash: 'talking' with somebody is NOT approval or endorsement of that somebody. I would have no problem whatsoever with President Trump meeting with Raul Castro. Certainly there will be no positive changes of any sort if there is no communication of any kind. I would have a problem if Trump endorsed the worst of Castro's policies. I would not have a problem if he noted something good that Castro has done.

That's the difference between political hate and vitriol and actually wanting to encourage and promote something other than that. That is the difference between politically motivated politics of personal destruction and actually doing something good for the people. That is the difference between right and wrong.
 
noonereal said:
Where is the option for none of these?
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While I cannot imagine anybody needing another option it is right here. Explain what is wrong with the poll options and what our behavior should be that isn't reflected in the poll option.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I prefaced the thread title 'equal time' because this time I cannot support the anti-Democrats behavior. People identified by the Miami Herald as "Cuban Americans" became an angry mob verbally assaulting a Democrat candidate and those Democrats, including Nancy Pelosi, who were there to support the Democrat candidate.

Why? Because a Castro sympathizer/supporter, at least at one time, was scheduled to speak at the campaign event.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article220134190.html

What is the problem?

Those of us who view in disgust and contempt and condemn the mob mentality that thinks it is okay to mob and harass Republican or conservative people in restaurants, at the theater or sporting events, or prevent them from speaking at events to which they are invited cannot have it both ways. If it is wrong to do to Sarah Huckabee Sanders what happened at a restaurant or any others that have been in the news lately, it is wrong to do to Nancy Pelosi or any other leftist or Democratic candidate.

The Constitution intended that the brave New World that America was supposed to be would not be governed by either dictator or mob rule. Our differences of opinion would be settled at the voting booth and they specified there that the voting booth would not be controlled by either a tyranny of the minority or a tyranny of the majority.

Mob rule is the tool of facists, anarchists, and others who think diversity of thought, belief, conviction should be silenced, punished and bludgeoned into submission. It is shameful to harass, threaten, disallow your opponent to enjoy a meal at a restaurant, or attend a theater, or otherwise lead a normal life. And they stop at no depths of depravity when they seek to destroy a person professionally, personally, socially for no other reason that they disagree with something he or she said or wrote or because he/she stands in their way of their having political control over everybody else. And when they resort to vandalism, arson, battery, threats, deadly attacks, it should be criminal anywhere it occurs.

We must be better than that. What those Cubans did in Miami is just as wrong as is all the rest of it.

Agree or Disagree.
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Greetings, AlbqOwl. :2wave:

Had there been a multiple choice, I would have marked all but the last one on the list! :thumbs:
 
polgara said:
Greetings, AlbqOwl. :2wave:

Had there been a multiple choice, I would have marked all but the last one on the list! :thumbs:
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I think all people who really understand what America was intended to be would do that Polgara. Those who defend the angry mobs and hold them up as an example of 'free speech' simply have no clue. Or they have ulterior motives or have been so brainwashed they are actually dangerous to our representative republic: a representative republic designed to recognize and respect and protect our unalienable rights to be who and what we are and think, believe, speak our minds with impunity so long as we respect the others to have the same right.
 
AlbqOwl said:
News Flash: 'talking' with somebody is NOT approval or endorsement of that somebody. I would have no problem whatsoever with President Trump meeting with Raul Castro. Certainly there will be no positive changes of any sort if there is no communication of any kind. I would have a problem if Trump endorsed the worst of Castro's policies. I would not have a problem if he noted something good that Castro has done.

That's the difference between political hate and vitriol and actually wanting to encourage and promote something other than that.
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Trump did more than just talk to dictators and despots....he gave them the green light to commit crimes against humanity and turned his back on American values. Putin, Kim Jung Il, Duterte, Xi Jinping, Erdogan, Saudis...are all his new best friends. So what makes Raul Castro different?
 
One possible caveat could be in place here. It is so infrequent--you could say out of character--for Republicans/conservatives/libertarians/classical liberals (little L) to behave as that Cuban American mob was behaving, I wonder if anybody investigated to see if it WAS actually a Cuban American mob?

These days some on the left have become so corrupt and devoid of principle, moral center, or sense of fair play, we are more and more seeing people organized and paid to stage protests, disrupt, and get into people's faces, threaten them, destroy them if possible. And sometimes they pretend to be Republicans or Conservatives when they do that. So there is that possibility.

But for now I will assume the mob referred to in the OP were Cuban Americans who were improperly, inexcusably, and wrongly threatening and harassing Democrats they disagreed with.

Either way, it is very wrong and should not be condoned by any decent person.
 
Moot said:
Trump did more than just talk to dictators and despots....he gave them the green light to commit crimes against humanity and turned his back on American values. Putin, Kim Jung Il, Duterte, Xi Jinping, Erdogan, Saudis...are all his new best friends. So what makes Raul Castro different?
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Baloney. Would you please take these diversionary tactics to the proper hate thread and don't muddy up this one with such nonsense? Thank you very much.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Baloney. Would you please take these diversionary tactics to the proper hate thread and don't muddy up this one with such nonsense? Thank you very much.
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Why do you get so angry and hateful when you're wrong? The article said the protesters were against dictators...but they were wearing pro-dictator hats. Which made me suspect the right wing hypocrites were getting paid to protest.
 
Moot said:
Why do you get so angry and hateful when you're wrong? The article said the protesters were against dictators...but they were wearing pro-dictator hats. Which made me suspect the right wing hypocrites were getting paid to protest.
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If the protesters were being paid to protest, I'm pretty sure it wasn't anybody on the right who was paying them. You'll have to show evidence that it was before I will take that at all seriously.

I am not angry. I am simply stating what I believe to be the truth and can more often than not back up as the truth. If I have evidence I am wrong, I say so. I don't believe anybody has shown I am wrong about this? Why do you post things that are so angry, erroneous, insulting, leftist propaganda?
 
AlbqOwl said:
I think all people who really understand what America was intended to be would do that Polgara. Those who defend the angry mobs and hold them up as an example of 'free speech' simply have no clue. Or they have ulterior motives or have been so brainwashed they are actually dangerous to our representative republic: a representative republic designed to recognize and respect and protect our unalienable rights to be who and what we are and think, believe, speak our minds with impunity so long as we respect the others to have the same right.
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The thought did occur to me that the "Cubans" have neither forgotten nor forgiven the fact that Elian Gonzalas, the young boy who was forceably returned to Cuba 14 years ago by orders from AG Janet Reno during the Clinton administration. His mother, who had custody of the boy after his parents divorced, lost her life getting him to the US by using an inner tube floating in the gulfstream off the coast of Florida, to be cared for by his relatives here. The coincidence was striking to me since it was November of 1999 when he arrived here, and they're demonstrating in mid October 2018 in Florida about something political? :shock:
 
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polgara said:
The thought did occur to me that the "Cubans" have neither forgotten nor forgiven the fact that Elian Gonzalas, the young boy who was forceably returned to Cuba 14 years ago by orders from AG Janet Reno during the Clinton administration. His mother, who had custody of the boy after his parents divorced, lost her life getting him to the US by using an inner tube floating in the gulfstream off the coast of Florida, to be cared for by his relatives here. The coincidence was striking to me since it was November of 1999 when he arrived here, and they're demonstrating in mid October 2018 in Florida? :shock:
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I would be surprised if there is any correlation though. I do think the Elian Gonzales incident probably did create a lot of Republicans out of what would otherwise have been moderate Democrats. :)

But unless it is shown that it isn't as it seems, this staged mob in Florida is likely to make more Democrats out of moderate Republicans than have any other real effect. It makes us look bad. Look hypocritical. Which is why I have a glimmer of suspicion that these folks might not be anti-Castro Cuban Americans at all. Or particularly anti-Castro.

But without any proof that the Miami Herald article is wrong about that, for now I will accept that they are anti-Castro people protesting a pro-Castro mentality. But the way they are going about it looks as hateful and ugly and unAmerican as what the Left does. And that is both wrong and not helpful for the side of pro-liberty, pro-American, pro traditional values, patriotic sensible Americans.
 
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