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Why are some right wingers trying to revive Race Science?

Sweden said:
True. And those who most obsess about 'race' are, strangely, the people who imagine themselves to be 'anti-racists'.
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Yeah, because a lot of right wingers do not to talk about racism and who benefits from it, like how the private prison industry benefits from the mass incarceration.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_6682564

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.glo...al-complex-and-the-global-economy/5328757/amp

The US has twice the prison population of China and most of the prison population are minorities. But hey, I guess freedom does not matter as much as some private prison owner's Christmas bonus.
 
Why do I get the feeling that some people here are just upset at their 23 & Me results...:lol:
 
Yes_Minister said:
Yeah, because a lot of right wingers do not to talk about racism and who benefits from it, like how the private prison industry benefits from the mass incarceration.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_6682564

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.glo...al-complex-and-the-global-economy/5328757/amp

The US has twice the prison population of China and most of the prison population are minorities. But hey, I guess freedom does not matter as much as some private prison owner's Christmas bonus.
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The private prison industry has no significant lobbying power, people are not incarcerated because of the “private prison industry” this is the best example of telling a lie so often it’s believed


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EMNofSeattle said:
The private prison industry has no significant lobbying power, people are not incarcerated because of the “private prison industry” this is the best example of telling a lie so often it’s believed


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Then why does the US have the biggest prison population in the world, double that of China's?
 
Yes_Minister said:
Then why does the US have the biggest prison population in the world, double that of China's?
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Because Chinese people commit fewer crimes.

The number of prisoners we have is irrelevant. If they broke the law they belong there. The people in prison could’ve chosen not to be there if they wanted.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Because Chinese people commit fewer crimes.

The number of prisoners we have is irrelevant. If they broke the law they belong there. The people in prison could’ve chosen not to be there if they wanted.
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But why is it the highest in the world and why is it mostly minorities in prison? If you believed in small government and freedom, shouldn't you look for ways to reduce that number. Seems like you are for massive government in terms of how expensive this system is to tax payers and how it takes away people's freedom, because no way can justify that number without resorting to non sense.

There are only 2 answers here and one is going to use race science to justify it.
 
Yes_Minister said:
Why are some right wingers trying to revive Race Science?

https://tracinskiletter.com/2016/10/02/a-libertarian-icons-descent-into-racist-pseudoscience/

For example, Stefan Molyneux claims to be Libertarian, but believes in race science, thinking some races are superior to others and thus should not have the same rights. Of course he is a big alt right star.

There are others though:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/02/the-unwelcome-revival-of-race-science
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The concept of race is not grounded in genetics... Why are some leftists so dumb?
 
trixare4kids said:
The concept of race is not grounded in genetics... Why are some leftists so dumb?
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Its not leftists who are trying to bring back race science, leftists know that is BS pseudoscience.
 
Yes_Minister said:
But why is it the highest in the world and why is it mostly minorities in prison? If you believed in small government and freedom, shouldn't you look for ways to reduce that number. Seems like you are for massive government in terms of how expensive this system is to tax payers and how it takes away people's freedom, because no way can justify that number without resorting to non sense.

There are only 2 answers here and one is going to use race science to justify it.
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A bunch of presuppositions and sophistry. No wonder you hate Molyneux, when he says “not an argument” you can’t take it.

Minorities (or at least certain groups of them) commit more crime, Committing crime is what puts you in prison.

They are not in prison because they are minorities. I don’t know what “two solutions and one of them is race science” is even supposed to mean, if one group of people commits more crime and all people are treated equally regardless of race that group will fill the prisons, to reduce the prison population in that regard requires legal discrimination
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Q: Why are some right wingers trying to revive Race Science?

A: The discovery of the truth is always a good idea.
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Says the guy who once posted....

Hawkeye10 said:
Perhaps, he could have made the argument that black men are sexual beings more so than others, that not allowing them some room to work according to their nature is a racist move....that is an argument that I have seen made.
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Yeah, buddy.
 
PoS said:
The truth is, science doesnt recognize race, but racists do.
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And the Federal government. Apply for some jobs and tell me how any applications DON'T ask your race.
 
Sweden said:
You need to delete that false concept, 'race', and replace it with 'gene pools'. But all gene pools overlap with many others obtaining discrete samples is impossible.
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People would better understand my example than would understand overlapping gene pool samples.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
The private prison industry has no significant lobbying power, people are not incarcerated because of the “private prison industry” this is the best example of telling a lie so often it’s believed


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It has huge lobbying power, and is a large donor to Trump. You have absolutely zero clue what you're talking about.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
It has huge lobbying power, and is a large donor to Trump. You have absolutely zero clue what you're talking about.
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They spend very little money actually lobbying and house less then 200,000 inmates nation wide. Donations to Trump are irrelevant because Trump can’t legislate and sentences are set by the legislature.

This private prison issue is an invented myth, people like you are weak on crime and want to blame other people’s free and voluntary decisions to break the law on society, and so to roll back crimes and put dangerous criminals back on the streets to victimize good people at will you need a boogey man, and so this pipsqueak industry like private prisons that houses not even ten percent of the incarcerated is a target as though they and not voters who were around during the crack wars when murders in American cities were reaching near Brazil levels are the ones responsible for strict laws
 
Crovax said:
From your article:

“It is true that a person’s IQ normally correlates with his or her income level and marital stability. IQ also does predict criminality, with most convicted felons having IQ scores falling between 75 and 90. And there are indeed disparities in average IQ between different ethnic groups; the ethnic groups’ respective average IQs are ranked in the same order in which Molyneux lists them”

So it seems that all are in agreement with the facts, it’s just the conclusions drawn from the facts that it seems that people are upset with
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Mostly because IQ tests are not scientifically accurate measures of intelligence and are culturally skewed. I find it interesting that the right only embraces "science" that reinforces their cultural bias. Why is this any more accurate than climate science? There is far more scientific research in climate change than IQ tests.

https://theconversation.com/the-iq-test-wars-why-screening-for-intelligence-is-still-so-controversial-81428
 
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LowDown said:
The left tries to marginalize the right by claiming that they are all or mostly white supremacists. This is a lie.
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Interesting that you tell a lie to describe a lie.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
They spend very little money actually lobbying and house less then 200,000 inmates nation wide. Donations to Trump are irrelevant because Trump can’t legislate and sentences are set by the legislature.
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Yet again you prove you have no idea what you're talking about.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-private-prison-campaign-donors-leaked-memo-795681
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.85db9d7ffbbb
This private prison issue is an invented myth, people like you are weak on crime and want to blame other people’s free and voluntary decisions to break the law on society, and so to roll back crimes and put dangerous criminals back on the streets to victimize good people at will you need a boogey man, and so this pipsqueak industry like private prisons that houses not even ten percent of the incarcerated is a target as though they and not voters who were around during the crack wars when murders in American cities were reaching near Brazil levels are the ones responsible for strict laws
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LOL! Marxists like you who can never seem to get your facts straight are fun to watch.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
The private prison industry has no significant lobbying power, people are not incarcerated because of the “private prison industry” this is the best example of telling a lie so often it’s believed


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Let me get this stunning logic straight: a multi-billion dollar industry that makes money by jailing people for the state has no interest in the state jailing people? Strange how they recently described ICE as a growth area. Next you'll be telling us that arms merchants have no interest in governments buying weapons.

I used to deal with these guys professionally some years ago. Nice people, but they are in business,to make money.
 
1751Texan said:
Social scientists...not clinicians. Clinician go directly off empirical data and experimentation.

Since we can not experiment on humans, our data is skewed.

In order to have a definitive experiment on race and IQ without all the variances we would have to remove children at birth and rear them with the exact same methods and then chart difference.

We would have to this with large enough sample sizes.

Since we do not experiment on humans, there would be no way we could get an accurate outcome with all of the different variance that affect IQ.
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A big difference is simply being taught how to take multiple choice (and timed) tests.

https://www.quora.com/Do-IQ-tests-have-a-cultural-bias-If-so-how-do-they-need-to-be-reformed
 
TheParser said:
I agree that the word "race" or "ethnicity" is not really helpful.

In my opinion, the key word in this discussion should be culture.



(Because of very strict posting rules regarding "certain" topics, I shan't elaborate.)
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Yep, and culture is mostly environmental - not an inborn (genetic) trait.
 
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