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Presumption of Innocence

CriticalThought

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I am having a grand time reading Republican blogs and opinion pieces lately. The trend is a nearly universal chorus about how Democrats have forsaken the tradition of presumption of Innocence. These are the exact same people who claimed that Obama was not born in the US and demanded to see his birth certificate. These are the same folks who immediately blame every unarmed black guy who is gunned down by a white person. These are the very same folk who shout "lock her up" at every Trump rally. These are the same individuals, who even now are claiming with certitude that any and all accusations of sexual misconduct by women against these men are being made fraudulently. Presumption of Innocence is apparently important as long as you are Kavanaugh, but we can presume anyone we don't like is guilty. That is the level of thought and self awareness we can now expect from Republicans.
 
I am having a grand time reading Republican blogs and opinion pieces lately. The trend is a nearly universal chorus about how Democrats have forsaken the tradition of presumption of Innocence. These are the exact same people who claimed that Obama was not born in the US and demanded to see his birth certificate. These are the same folks who immediately blame every unarmed black guy who is gunned down by a white person. These are the very same folk who shout "lock her up" at every Trump rally. These are the same individuals, who even now are claiming with certitude that any and all accusations of sexual misconduct by women against these men are being made fraudulently. Presumption of Innocence is apparently important as long as you are Kavanaugh, but we can presume anyone we don't like is guilty. That is the level of thought and self awareness we can now expect from Republicans.

Considering the broad brush that you just used I think its safe to say that those flaws are not limited only to Republicans
 
I give up... sigh.

The flip side of the OP’s argument is recent Democrat behavior. Who usually... but not always... look to the accused for how we afford rights to them but every now and then (probably for the same politically convient reasons) discard core liberal principles of wanting to help someone in our less than even system no matter what they may have done. Wanting us to look at all the aspects of the accused, the context of what was happening, and when. Economics, sociology, context, upbringing, and a dozen other things to take the spotlight off the event and look elsewhere for explanation.

But not this time for damn sure. The votes were in, well before anyone but one knew about the allegations. Even Kavanaugh’s current appointment (delayed and delayed) was a heated exchange, not exactly a slam dunk back then when no one knew what in the hell this guy did as a teenager.

So now we have the OP talking about convenient application of principles by Republicans... go look in the mirror Dems.

Again... hopefully for the last time... there is no one Democrat or Republican that cares what happened between Kavanaugh and Ford (or anyone else.) There is not one Democrat or Republican acting on principles, or honor, or even wanting the truth. And lastly there is not one Democrat or Republican applying to this case what they would apply to any other case where the roles (and political offiliations) are reversed.

If Kavanaugh was a Democrat, and the accused had ties to Republicans (one way or another)... we’d have the same **** show and the same behavior we’ve been watching these past few weeks. The only difference would be who is saying what, all the while discarding the very principles they claim they stand for.

I dare you to prove me wrong... give it your best shot (OP or anyone else.)
 
I am having a grand time reading Republican blogs and opinion pieces lately. The trend is a nearly universal chorus about how Democrats have forsaken the tradition of presumption of Innocence. These are the exact same people who claimed that Obama was not born in the US and demanded to see his birth certificate. These are the same folks who immediately blame every unarmed black guy who is gunned down by a white person. These are the very same folk who shout "lock her up" at every Trump rally. These are the same individuals, who even now are claiming with certitude that any and all accusations of sexual misconduct by women against these men are being made fraudulently. Presumption of Innocence is apparently important as long as you are Kavanaugh, but we can presume anyone we don't like is guilty. That is the level of thought and self awareness we can now expect from Republicans.

Exaggeration and hyperbole, with a pinch of bigotry.

Amazing.
 
I am having a grand time reading Republican blogs and opinion pieces lately. The trend is a nearly universal chorus about how Democrats have forsaken the tradition of presumption of Innocence. These are the exact same people who claimed that Obama was not born in the US and demanded to see his birth certificate. These are the same folks who immediately blame every unarmed black guy who is gunned down by a white person. These are the very same folk who shout "lock her up" at every Trump rally. These are the same individuals, who even now are claiming with certitude that any and all accusations of sexual misconduct by women against these men are being made fraudulently. Presumption of Innocence is apparently important as long as you are Kavanaugh, but we can presume anyone we don't like is guilty. That is the level of thought and self awareness we can now expect from Republicans.

Good thing I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican then. :roll:

My post history shows that I consistently argue (aspirationally) for the presumption of innocence whenever anyone is accused of a crime, regardless of the forum in which such an accusation is made. It doesn't matter the sex of either the accused or the accuser, nor their race, age, political affiliation, whatever. IMO the burden of proving that a crime was committed rests with the accuser, and the benefit of the doubt always rests with the accused.

So I reject any claim that my position on this issue is partisan. Yes I am an American nationalist who opposes unrestricted migration in favor of merit based immigration. Yes I support the right to keep and bear arms as an individual right, not a collective one. I am also a supporter of a woman's choice to control her body including abortion; gay rights including same-sex marriage; equality of opportunity regardless of race, sex, sexual orientation, religious belief, etc.

I agree that politics often creates partisan hypocrisy, that is part and parcel of the nature of politics. But painting everyone with the broad brush of..."YOUR hypocritical partisanship is worse than MY righteous partisanship?" That's just the pot calling the kettle black.
 
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I give up... sigh.

The flip side of the OP’s argument is recent Democrat behavior. Who usually... but not always... look to the accused for how we afford rights to them but every now and then (probably for the same politically convient reasons) discard core liberal principles of wanting to help someone in our less than even system no matter what they may have done. Wanting us to look at all the aspects of the accused, the context of what was happening, and when. Economics, sociology, context, upbringing, and a dozen other things to take the spotlight off the event and look elsewhere for explanation.

But not this time for damn sure. The votes were in, well before anyone but one knew about the allegations. Even Kavanaugh’s current appointment (delayed and delayed) was a heated exchange, not exactly a slam dunk back then when no one knew what in the hell this guy did as a teenager.

So now we have the OP talking about convenient application of principles by Republicans... go look in the mirror Dems.

Again... hopefully for the last time... there is no one Democrat or Republican that cares what happened between Kavanaugh and Ford (or anyone else.) There is not one Democrat or Republican acting on principles, or honor, or even wanting the truth. And lastly there is not one Democrat or Republican applying to this case what they would apply to any other case where the roles (and political offiliations) are reversed.

If Kavanaugh was a Democrat, and the accused had ties to Republicans (one way or another)... we’d have the same **** show and the same behavior we’ve been watching these past few weeks. The only difference would be who is saying what, all the while discarding the very principles they claim they stand for.

I dare you to prove me wrong... give it your best shot (OP or anyone else.)

If he were a candidate picked by a Democrat President he would never even get a hearing.
 
If he were a candidate picked by a Democrat President he would never even get a hearing.

just like the dems did to Estrada and Keisler-except both those men had more than enough votes to be seated.
 
There should always be a presumption of innocence. Unfortunately people forget to take off their partisan blinders...
 
If he were a candidate picked by a Democrat President he would never even get a hearing.

Not really the point, the issue is principles... and neither Republicans nor Democrats have them these days.
 
I give up... sigh.

The flip side of the OP’s argument is recent Democrat behavior. Who usually... but not always... look to the accused for how we afford rights to them but every now and then (probably for the same politically convient reasons) discard core liberal principles of wanting to help someone in our less than even system no matter what they may have done. Wanting us to look at all the aspects of the accused, the context of what was happening, and when. Economics, sociology, context, upbringing, and a dozen other things to take the spotlight off the event and look elsewhere for explanation.

But not this time for damn sure. The votes were in, well before anyone but one knew about the allegations. Even Kavanaugh’s current appointment (delayed and delayed) was a heated exchange, not exactly a slam dunk back then when no one knew what in the hell this guy did as a teenager.

So now we have the OP talking about convenient application of principles by Republicans... go look in the mirror Dems.

Again... hopefully for the last time... there is no one Democrat or Republican that cares what happened between Kavanaugh and Ford (or anyone else.) There is not one Democrat or Republican acting on principles, or honor, or even wanting the truth. And lastly there is not one Democrat or Republican applying to this case what they would apply to any other case where the roles (and political offiliations) are reversed.

If Kavanaugh was a Democrat, and the accused had ties to Republicans (one way or another)... we’d have the same **** show and the same behavior we’ve been watching these past few weeks. The only difference would be who is saying what, all the while discarding the very principles they claim they stand for.

I dare you to prove me wrong... give it your best shot (OP or anyone else.)

While tending to agree with your overall point, I think the democrats if in power would have withdrawn the nomination if Kavanaugh were one of theirs, as women are such a strong part of their constituency. (I suspect and worry that even though there is a stable of conservative replacements for Kavanaugh, with subpoenas looming Trump likes him because of his views on chief executive power.) Democrats, recent experience excepted, generally get less agitated about the Supreme Court. I don’t think they fear an overturn of Roe as much as part of the GOP longs for one. As the Garland example indicates, they have tended to put forward more moderate judges. As the Dems do, I fear for labor, the enviornment and voting rights if another conservative is on the court, but those issues can be fought out in Congress as well.
 
While tending to agree with your overall point, I think the democrats if in power would have withdrawn the nomination if Kavanaugh were one of theirs, as women are such a strong part of their constituency. (I suspect and worry that even though there is a stable of conservative replacements for Kavanaugh, with subpoenas looming Trump likes him because of his views on chief executive power.) Democrats, recent experience excepted, generally get less agitated about the Supreme Court. I don’t think they fear an overturn of Roe as much as part of the GOP longs for one. As the Garland example indicates, they have tended to put forward more moderate judges. As the Dems do, I fear for labor, the enviornment and voting rights if another conservative is on the court, but those issues can be fought out in Congress as well.

Some of these things I am on the fence about, but I do like your post.

One thing that is on my mind is how all of this came up and when, seemingly past the debates on his method of decision making while on the lower courts and his opinions from writings to date. On those sessions talking about his judicial leans and interpretations few on the Democratic side pushed hard enough on government domestic spying and closed secret courts, nor did they push very hard on this position on Presidential power, nor much on torture either. All of the yearbook subjects took center stage, Row v Wade (and I disagree on how importnant that being upheld means to Democrats) and of course the 2nd Amendment.

My comments on the roles being reversed showing us similar behavior was a shot on both parties putting the politics of control above principles. If Democrats were working to rush through a nomination worried about the midterms and popularity I am not convinced they would bow to #metoo and remove the nomination. You would think they would, but given today’s climate I am not sure when thinking about how little Democrats seem interested in what might have happened or not between Kavanaugh and Ford (and others) but how much they always were pushing for delays... delays... delays... right to the midterms. Again, power over principles. And we should see that on the campaign trail in the short time we have left to the midterms.

In some regards you are right about the excitement over this pick, mainly because it is Trump and campaign Democrats are doing all they can to exploit everything he does. But also on the line this time is making an arguably right leaning court that more right.

But back to the subject, I question how much Democrats are really looking out for these ladies who may have had run ins with Kavanaugh or simply using another wedge issue for November. Watching how they spoke, and all they did with this, I see little leaning to the principles of #metoo.
 
Not really the point, the issue is principles... and neither Republicans nor Democrats have them these days.

I agree on that point and never said otherwise, as such I believe a balance of power between the two Parties, one side having all the power is rarely a good thing. Would love to see a viable Third Party in the mix, one built on the Constitution, Common Sense, and working for the People and Nation, but that looks like a pipe dream.
 
I am having a grand time reading Republican blogs and opinion pieces lately. The trend is a nearly universal chorus about how Democrats have forsaken the tradition of presumption of Innocence. These are the exact same people who claimed that Obama was not born in the US and demanded to see his birth certificate. These are the same folks who immediately blame every unarmed black guy who is gunned down by a white person. These are the very same folk who shout "lock her up" at every Trump rally. These are the same individuals, who even now are claiming with certitude that any and all accusations of sexual misconduct by women against these men are being made fraudulently. Presumption of Innocence is apparently important as long as you are Kavanaugh, but we can presume anyone we don't like is guilty. That is the level of thought and self awareness we can now expect from Republicans.


I find your claims wildly inconsistent, generally inaccurate, and it seems you are contradicting the very premise of the title of your own thread. First of all, not all republicans and conservative pundits were "birthers", and in fact most were not! Besides, if there hadn't been inconsistencies regarding his birth, and had Obama released all the pertinent info early on, then that evidence would've proved his citizenship and put an end to the whole issue. But the reality was that Obama and the media milked the issue to the detriment of the few birther republicans.

The claim that republicans "blame every black guy who is gunned down by a white guy", is just ridiculous and you provide no actual evidence for which cases you are talking about! Certainly there ARE cases where leftists immediately jump on the "racist cop shoots black guy for no reason" bandwagon, usually because the dishonest media are the ones pulling the wagon they jumped on! For instance, the biggest example was Michael Brown in Ferguson. The BS media narrative was "hands up, don't shoot", and that Brown was merely an innocent victim, murdered by a racist white cop for NO reason, as he was shot in the back. Well, guess what? That entire story was bull***t... The media omitted the officers testimony, the witness testimony , and instead they pushed the false, race-baiting narrative! ALL of which was later DISPROVEN with actual EVIDENCE!! He was NOT shot in the back as they claimed, and he was NOT an innocent victim! He had just finished a strong arm robbery of a store, then the police officer tried arresting him because of that! But he fought the cop, tried to steal his gun, and was shot, just as wouldve happened if a white guy did the same thing!

As far as the "lock her up" calls by trump supporters at rallies, she should have been prosecuted, because it was PROVEN that she repeatedly lied to the FBI about top secret emails sent on her private server, and because she INTENTIONALLY DESTROYED EVIDENCE when she had her imporoper private server wiped of 30,000 emails, instead of turning them into investigators! That's called a cover up! She also lied about personal communication devices, when she claimed she had only owned 1 of them.. Later, the FBI discovered that in fact she had at least 15 of them, ALL of which were also wiped of information and destroyed, instead of being turned over to investigators! She SHOULD have been prosecuted, but fortunately for her, the corrupt FBI agents had already decided to give her a pass BEFORE the investigation even began, and because they refused to seat a grand jury to decide if she should've been tried, which was very unusual and corrupt!

Lastly, your thread title and Ford's accusations go hand in hand. In order to decide someone's guilt, you need actual EVIDENCE, which you don't seem to think is necessary. Well, the 3 people who Ford offered up as witnesses to her accusation, ALL said that they DONT recall ANY aspects of her story! None remember the party, none recall ever meeting Cavanaugh, and none recall her claiming to have been raped at that time. She has also been wildly inconsistent with her claims, such as the date. She can't even say what year it happened, and at different times, she's claimed early 80s, then mid 80s at other times. She claimed that 4 people were in the room where she was "raped", but then changed her story to just 2 people. She can remember every detail about the rape, but she cant get any of those details right, plus she cant say where the party was, doesn't know which street or which house.

When ALL your witnesses say they never witnessed any such crime, and you're all over the map with important details, and there's major inconsistencies, and your own family didn't sign on to your paper, then there's no evidence! Just because YOU decide you don't like someone, doesn't make them guilty of crimes! Whether you like it or not, people are legally innocent until PROVEN guilty. That requires evidence,
 
I agree on that point and never said otherwise, as such I believe a balance of power between the two Parties, one side having all the power is rarely a good thing. Would love to see a viable Third Party in the mix, one built on the Constitution, Common Sense, and working for the People and Nation, but that looks like a pipe dream.

This I can agree with you on. The Two-Party system we've evolved into often seems like two sides of the same coin. Rarely when you "flip" them seeking "Bi-Partisan" legislative action do they land balanced between heads and tails.

Unfortunately, the past attempts to create a Third Party often come from within one or the other of the established Parties, and only serves to make it easier for the other Party to win office.

How to solve this though remains a mystery.
 
If he were a candidate picked by a Democrat President he would never even get a hearing.
Yeah, but that's different.

When the Republicans exploit loopholes in the Constitution to play bad faith politics it's okay.
 
I am having a grand time reading Republican blogs and opinion pieces lately. The trend is a nearly universal chorus about how Democrats have forsaken the tradition of presumption of Innocence. These are the exact same people who claimed that Obama was not born in the US and demanded to see his birth certificate. These are the same folks who immediately blame every unarmed black guy who is gunned down by a white person. These are the very same folk who shout "lock her up" at every Trump rally. These are the same individuals, who even now are claiming with certitude that any and all accusations of sexual misconduct by women against these men are being made fraudulently. Presumption of Innocence is apparently important as long as you are Kavanaugh, but we can presume anyone we don't like is guilty. That is the level of thought and self awareness we can now expect from Republicans.

How do you know they are the same exact people?

Unless you have definitive proof, I'd say you simply want it to be true...
As for what you've read today and other days since the election... How many times did you read that Trump is guilty of high crimes?
OH, but those people surely believe in the presumption of innocence, right?
 
Some of these things I am on the fence about, but I do like your post.

One thing that is on my mind is how all of this came up and when, seemingly past the debates on his method of decision making while on the lower courts and his opinions from writings to date. On those sessions talking about his judicial leans and interpretations few on the Democratic side pushed hard enough on government domestic spying and closed secret courts, nor did they push very hard on this position on Presidential power, nor much on torture either. All of the yearbook subjects took center stage, Row v Wade (and I disagree on how importnant that being upheld means to Democrats) and of course the 2nd Amendment.

My comments on the roles being reversed showing us similar behavior was a shot on both parties putting the politics of control above principles. If Democrats were working to rush through a nomination worried about the midterms and popularity I am not convinced they would bow to #metoo and remove the nomination. You would think they would, but given today’s climate I am not sure when thinking about how little Democrats seem interested in what might have happened or not between Kavanaugh and Ford (and others) but how much they always were pushing for delays... delays... delays... right to the midterms. Again, power over principles. And we should see that on the campaign trail in the short time we have left to the midterms.

In some regards you are right about the excitement over this pick, mainly because it is Trump and campaign Democrats are doing all they can to exploit everything he does. But also on the line this time is making an arguably right leaning court that more right.

But back to the subject, I question how much Democrats are really looking out for these ladies who may have had run ins with Kavanaugh or simply using another wedge issue for November. Watching how they spoke, and all they did with this, I see little leaning to the principles of #metoo.

That's just it, I don't question it because I already know they are playing the #metoo card. People who purport to care about rights, make sure they give due process to the accused.
Instead, the Democrats on the senate judiciary committee laughed at Kavanaugh's right to the presumption of innocence.
This was a partisan **** show if there ever was one. A true travesty.

Kavanaugh was 100% correct when he said it's nothing more than a SHAM.
 
I find your claims wildly inconsistent, generally inaccurate, and it seems you are contradicting the very premise of the title of your own thread. First of all, not all republicans and conservative pundits were "birthers", and in fact most were not! Besides, if there hadn't been inconsistencies regarding his birth, and had Obama released all the pertinent info early on, then that evidence would've proved his citizenship and put an end to the whole issue. But the reality was that Obama and the media milked the issue to the detriment of the few birther republicans.

The claim that republicans "blame every black guy who is gunned down by a white guy", is just ridiculous and you provide no actual evidence for which cases you are talking about! Certainly there ARE cases where leftists immediately jump on the "racist cop shoots black guy for no reason" bandwagon, usually because the dishonest media are the ones pulling the wagon they jumped on! For instance, the biggest example was Michael Brown in Ferguson. The BS media narrative was "hands up, don't shoot", and that Brown was merely an innocent victim, murdered by a racist white cop for NO reason, as he was shot in the back. Well, guess what? That entire story was bull***t... The media omitted the officers testimony, the witness testimony , and instead they pushed the false, race-baiting narrative! ALL of which was later DISPROVEN with actual EVIDENCE!! He was NOT shot in the back as they claimed, and he was NOT an innocent victim! He had just finished a strong arm robbery of a store, then the police officer tried arresting him because of that! But he fought the cop, tried to steal his gun, and was shot, just as wouldve happened if a white guy did the same thing!

As far as the "lock her up" calls by trump supporters at rallies, she should have been prosecuted, because it was PROVEN that she repeatedly lied to the FBI about top secret emails sent on her private server, and because she INTENTIONALLY DESTROYED EVIDENCE when she had her imporoper private server wiped of 30,000 emails, instead of turning them into investigators! That's called a cover up! She also lied about personal communication devices, when she claimed she had only owned 1 of them.. Later, the FBI discovered that in fact she had at least 15 of them, ALL of which were also wiped of information and destroyed, instead of being turned over to investigators! She SHOULD have been prosecuted, but fortunately for her, the corrupt FBI agents had already decided to give her a pass BEFORE the investigation even began, and because they refused to seat a grand jury to decide if she should've been tried, which was very unusual and corrupt!

Lastly, your thread title and Ford's accusations go hand in hand. In order to decide someone's guilt, you need actual EVIDENCE, which you don't seem to think is necessary. Well, the 3 people who Ford offered up as witnesses to her accusation, ALL said that they DONT recall ANY aspects of her story! None remember the party, none recall ever meeting Cavanaugh, and none recall her claiming to have been raped at that time. She has also been wildly inconsistent with her claims, such as the date. She can't even say what year it happened, and at different times, she's claimed early 80s, then mid 80s at other times. She claimed that 4 people were in the room where she was "raped", but then changed her story to just 2 people. She can remember every detail about the rape, but she cant get any of those details right, plus she cant say where the party was, doesn't know which street or which house.

When ALL your witnesses say they never witnessed any such crime, and you're all over the map with important details, and there's major inconsistencies, and your own family didn't sign on to your paper, then there's no evidence! Just because YOU decide you don't like someone, doesn't make them guilty of crimes! Whether you like it or not, people are legally innocent until PROVEN guilty. That requires evidence,

There are too many factual innaccuracies in your post to even bother. Heck...I could start with the reality that over 70% of Republicans do, in fact, doubt Obama's citizenship. But facts are not all that important to people as far gone as you.
 
Good thing I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican then. :roll:

My post history shows that I consistently argue (aspirationally) for the presumption of innocence whenever anyone is accused of a crime, regardless of the forum in which such an accusation is made. It doesn't matter the sex of either the accused or the accuser, nor their race, age, political affiliation, whatever. IMO the burden of proving that a crime was committed rests with the accuser, and the benefit of the doubt always rests with the accused.

So I reject any claim that my position on this issue is partisan. Yes I am an American nationalist who opposes unrestricted migration in favor of merit based immigration. Yes I support the right to keep and bear arms as an individual right, not a collective one. I am also a supporter of a woman's choice to control her body including abortion; gay rights including same-sex marriage; equality of opportunity regardless of race, sex, sexual orientation, religious belief, etc.

I agree that politics often creates partisan hypocrisy, that is part and parcel of the nature of politics. But painting everyone with the broad brush of..."YOUR hypocritical partisanship is worse than MY righteous partisanship?" That's just the pot calling the kettle black.

Great post.
 
I am having a grand time reading Republican blogs and opinion pieces lately. The trend is a nearly universal chorus about how Democrats have forsaken the tradition of presumption of Innocence. These are the exact same people who claimed that Obama was not born in the US and demanded to see his birth certificate. These are the same folks who immediately blame every unarmed black guy who is gunned down by a white person. These are the very same folk who shout "lock her up" at every Trump rally. These are the same individuals, who even now are claiming with certitude that any and all accusations of sexual misconduct by women against these men are being made fraudulently. Presumption of Innocence is apparently important as long as you are Kavanaugh, but we can presume anyone we don't like is guilty. That is the level of thought and self awareness we can now expect from Republicans.

That's some serious hippo-critical whataboutism you got goin' on.
 
There are too many factual innaccuracies in your post to even bother. Heck...I could start with the reality that over 70% of Republicans do, in fact, doubt Obama's citizenship. But facts are not all that important to people as far gone as you.

Just what I expected.

>Don't bother opening your mind to the possibly that some of your views May be at least partially incorrect.

>Don't bother actually pinpointing ideas in a post that you disagree with.

>Don't bother actually providing evidence that those ideas are wrong.

>Instead, just make a blanket statement that "there's so much wrong that I can't take the time to dispute ANY 1-2-3 aspects.

>Lastly, throw in some personal insults for good measure!

Now THATS how you change minds and illustrate your superior ideas!
 
That's just it, I don't question it because I already know they are playing the #metoo card. People who purport to care about rights, make sure they give due process to the accused.
Instead, the Democrats on the senate judiciary committee laughed at Kavanaugh's right to the presumption of innocence.
This was a partisan **** show if there ever was one. A true travesty.

Kavanaugh was 100% correct when he said it's nothing more than a SHAM.

Remember, there are people here, who to this day, will deny that ANY of Bill Clinton's accusers were actually telling the truth, despite the corroborating evidence that has continued to surface over the years, and despite the fact that Clinton wasn't a teenager when he was accused of his sexual assaults! He was actually an adult who was accused of sexual assaults while in public office! But nope, let's ignore that because we actually like his politics!
 
I still believe in the presumption of innocence. I am, apparently, just the last mother****er left in the country who understands that there's a difference in the standard of evidence involved between private opinions of the accused's guilt or innocence, a Senate confirmation hearing, and the criminal justice system.

Brett Kavanaugh was accused of committing a sexual assault thirty-some years ago.

My private opinion is that men do not typically commit new crimes to cover up crimes they didn't commit.

The Senate confirmation hearing revealed him to be a perjurer with contempt for the rule of law and a misguided sense of entitlement whom a rational vetting process would disqualify with prejudice.

And if a criminal prosecution could even be allowed to go to trial, thirty years past the statute of limitations, there's no possible way that the accusations against him could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. He cannot, legitimately, be convicted and sentenced for any criminal offense except the perjuries he has committed this week; the chief benefit of that prosecution would be to remove him and disqualify him from further positions of authority.
 
I am having a grand time reading Republican blogs and opinion pieces lately. The trend is a nearly universal chorus about how Democrats have forsaken the tradition of presumption of Innocence. These are the exact same people who claimed that Obama was not born in the US and demanded to see his birth certificate.
No, they are not.

CriticalThouht said:
These are the same folks who immediately blame every unarmed black guy who is gunned down by a white person.
Nope, not true either.



CriticalThougth said:
These are the very same folk who shout "lock her up" at every Trump rally.
Wrong. I sense a trend.

chriticalThought said:
These are the same individuals, who even now are claiming with certitude that any and all accusations of sexual misconduct by women against these men are being made fraudulently.
Just a pure lie.



CriticalThought said:
Presumption of Innocence is apparently important as long as you are Kavanaugh, but we can presume anyone we don't like is guilty. That is the level of thought and self awareness we can now expect from Republicans.
Nope, it's an important guarantee of justice in all situations. It's not the right that has a problem seeing that it's you hypocrites of the left.
 
Remember, there are people here, who to this day, will deny that ANY of Bill Clinton's accusers were actually telling the truth, despite the corroborating evidence that has continued to surface over the years, and despite the fact that Clinton wasn't a teenager when he was accused of his sexual assaults! He was actually an adult who was accused of sexual assaults while in public office! But nope, let's ignore that because we actually like his politics!

I find it amusing that people keep claiming that these accusations are some kind of Democratic tactic.

One, if they were fabrications, Republicans would accuse Democrats just as often as vice versa and the accusations would target the most important candidates or the most vulnerable candidates. The GOP only uses accusations of sexual misconduct against Democrats when they have a credible accuser; this is exactly how the Democrats employ them against Republicans. If the Democrats are capable of employing them so much more often... then maybe the GOP needs to look themselves in the ****ing mirror.

Two, if these accusations were a tactic, both parties would have stopped using them when they realized they didn't ****ing work. The only politician I can think of who went down for a rape scandal is Roy Moore... who assaulted minor children while he was in office, had ties to white supremacist groups, refused to even debate his opponent, and still only lost by 1.5%.

Fundamentally, this absurb tinfoil hat bull**** about false rape allegations is a bigger issue than the undeniable sleaziness of the Republican and Democratic Parties. The more pressing concern is that the rich douchebros that make up the vast majority of both parties think they're entitled to do anything they want to anyone they want, and the people they're trampling on will believe anything it takes to avoid acknowledging it.
 
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