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Gloves Off Post-November Reforms

brothern

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Though the Trumpism has already exposed some serious weaknesses in our democracy, the Kavanaugh hearings are underscoring the deficiencies in our politics.

This is where the gloves need to come off:

  • Give over redistricting to nonpartisan boards or to technical formulas - we need to end partisan gerrymandering and the creation of artificial "safe" districts.
  • Implementation of ranked-choice voting (2 minute explanation) to end partisan-funded spoiler candidates; and to ensure that third-party votes are not wasted.
  • DC residents must be given representation in the HOR proportional to their population. Currently that would equal a single voting member.
  • Puerto Rico must granted statehood and fair representation in Congress for it's 3.3 million residents.
  • Implement automatic voter registration, or semi-automatic mechanisms such as enrollment after a citizen's interaction with a states' DMV. This to blunt the impact of partisan voter purges.
  • Restoration of voting rights to felons who have completed their sentences.

Edit: Just a note that these are reforms that combine local, state and Federal actions.
 
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This thread should be entitled "my Democrat wet dream." :2razz:
 
brothern said:
Though the Trumpism has already exposed some serious weaknesses in our democracy, the Kavanaugh hearings are underscoring the deficiencies in our politics.

This is where the gloves need to come off:

  • Give over redistricting to nonpartisan boards or to technical formulas - we need to end partisan gerrymandering and the creation of artificial "safe" districts.
  • Implementation of ranked-choice voting (2 minute explanation) to end partisan-funded spoiler candidates; and to ensure that third-party votes are not wasted.
  • DC residents must be given representation in the HOR proportional to their population. Currently that would equal a single voting member.
  • Puerto Rico must granted statehood and fair representation in Congress for it's 3.3 million residents.
  • Implement automatic voter registration, or semi-automatic mechanisms such as enrollment after a citizen's interaction with a states' DMV. This to blunt the impact of partisan voter purges.
  • Restoration of voting rights to felons who have completed their sentences.
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Are you sure you're lean is Centrist because this looks a lot like a liberal TODO list?
 
MrWonka said:
Are you sure you're lean is Centrist because this looks a lot like a liberal TODO list?
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I agree that all of these proposals benefit Democrats. Interestingly enough, the more citizens that vote the more Democrats/liberals tend to win.
 
brothern said:
Though the Trumpism has already exposed some serious weaknesses in our democracy, the Kavanaugh hearings are underscoring the deficiencies in our politics.

This is where the gloves need to come off:

  • Give over redistricting to nonpartisan boards or to technical formulas - we need to end partisan gerrymandering and the creation of artificial "safe" districts.
  • Implementation of ranked-choice voting (2 minute explanation) to end partisan-funded spoiler candidates; and to ensure that third-party votes are not wasted.
  • DC residents must be given representation in the HOR proportional to their population. Currently that would equal a single voting member.
  • Puerto Rico must granted statehood and fair representation in Congress for it's 3.3 million residents.
  • Implement automatic voter registration, or semi-automatic mechanisms such as enrollment after a citizen's interaction with a states' DMV. This to blunt the impact of partisan voter purges.
  • Restoration of voting rights to felons who have completed their sentences.
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Are you proposing this as local initiatives, or are these things you feel the federal government should dictate?
 
MrWonka said:
Are you sure you're lean is Centrist because this looks a lot like a liberal TODO list?
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Who'd have thought that granting citizens representation in Congress, who don't currently have representation, makes you a raging, unhinged progressive/liberal/communist in 2018 in the United States? :roll:
 
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Moon said:
Are you proposing this as local initiatives, or are these things you feel the federal government should dictate?
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Added-

Edit: Just a note that these reforms that combine local, state and Federal actions.
 
brothern said:
Though the Trumpism has already exposed some serious weaknesses in our democracy, the Kavanaugh hearings are underscoring the deficiencies in our politics.

This is where the gloves need to come off:

  • Give over redistricting to nonpartisan boards or to technical formulas - we need to end partisan gerrymandering and the creation of artificial "safe" districts.
  • Implementation of ranked-choice voting (2 minute explanation) to end partisan-funded spoiler candidates; and to ensure that third-party votes are not wasted.
  • DC residents must be given representation in the HOR proportional to their population. Currently that would equal a single voting member.
  • Puerto Rico must granted statehood and fair representation in Congress for it's 3.3 million residents.
  • Implement automatic voter registration, or semi-automatic mechanisms such as enrollment after a citizen's interaction with a states' DMV. This to blunt the impact of partisan voter purges.
  • Restoration of voting rights to felons who have completed their sentences.
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DC was deliberately denied the right to representation, with good reason.

Here is a bit of history courtesy of Wiki.

In 1783, a crowd of disbanded Revolutionary War soldiers angry about not having been paid gathered to protest outside the building where the Continental Congress was meeting. The soldiers blocked the door and initially refused to allow the delegates to leave. Despite requests from the Congress, the Pennsylvania state government declined to call out its militia to deal with the unruly mob, and so Congress was forced to abruptly adjourn to New Jersey. This led to the widespread belief that Congress needed control over the national capital. As Madison wrote in The Federalist No. 43, "Without it, not only the public authority might be insulted and its proceedings interrupted with impunity; but a dependence of the members of the general government on the State comprehending the seat of the government, for protection in the exercise of their duty, might bring on the national councils an imputation of awe or influence, equally dishonorable to the government and dissatisfactory to the other members of the Confederacy." This belief resulted in the creation of a national capital, separate from any state, by the Constitution's District Clause.[1]
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As for redistricting similar Iowa or using strictly technical means I am all for. It will result in many more competitive races and reduce the partisan stupidity. See Iowa for how it has worked so far.

I would also add in the following: The elimination of winner take all, in Presidential elections. Make ALL the states worth fighting for.

Puerto Rico doesn't want to be a state. Why force them? They got a good thing going there. Personally I plan on looking to move some manufacturing down that way as the tax situation is by far one of the best of any US state.

Automatic registration just mucks up the rolls. I would go for the reverse clear the rolls every two years. Then everyone needs a valid state or federal id to register and vote in the election which must be in person, with stipulation that the registration cutoff time should be enough to verify the person in question. All votes must have a permeant method of recording votes the moment it is cast. This be microfiche or paper or some other unalterable way of record a persons vote. Electronic voting is fine so long as the aforementioned permanent recording is adhered to.

All persons who have been released from prison and completed their parole should have their rights fully restored. This be voting and gun rights and whatever else.
 
brothern said:
Though the Trumpism has already exposed some serious weaknesses in our democracy, the Kavanaugh hearings are underscoring the deficiencies in our politics.

This is where the gloves need to come off:

  • Give over redistricting to nonpartisan boards or to technical formulas - we need to end partisan gerrymandering and the creation of artificial "safe" districts.
  • Implementation of ranked-choice voting (2 minute explanation) to end partisan-funded spoiler candidates; and to ensure that third-party votes are not wasted.
  • DC residents must be given representation in the HOR proportional to their population. Currently that would equal a single voting member.
  • Puerto Rico must granted statehood and fair representation in Congress for it's 3.3 million residents.
  • Implement automatic voter registration, or semi-automatic mechanisms such as enrollment after a citizen's interaction with a states' DMV. This to blunt the impact of partisan voter purges.
  • Restoration of voting rights to felons who have completed their sentences.

Edit: Just a note that these are reforms that combine local, state and Federal actions.
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You forgot making it legal for non-citizens to vote. Otherwise, you're just pushing for enfranchisement [in your mind] of potential Leftists.
 
brothern said:
Though the Trumpism has already exposed some serious weaknesses in our democracy, the Kavanaugh hearings are underscoring the deficiencies in our politics.

This is where the gloves need to come off:

  • Give over redistricting to nonpartisan boards or to technical formulas - we need to end partisan gerrymandering and the creation of artificial "safe" districts.
  • Implementation of ranked-choice voting (2 minute explanation) to end partisan-funded spoiler candidates; and to ensure that third-party votes are not wasted.
  • DC residents must be given representation in the HOR proportional to their population. Currently that would equal a single voting member.
  • Puerto Rico must granted statehood and fair representation in Congress for it's 3.3 million residents.
  • Implement automatic voter registration, or semi-automatic mechanisms such as enrollment after a citizen's interaction with a states' DMV. This to blunt the impact of partisan voter purges.
  • Restoration of voting rights to felons who have completed their sentences.

Edit: Just a note that these are reforms that combine local, state and Federal actions.
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I support ending gerrymandering, but believe that has to be done at the state level.

There is no reason to go with ranked choice. Instead, elections(outside of president, which cannot be changed outside of changing the constitution) should be decided based on who gets more votes. Simple and elegant.

DC and PR, I do not have enough information to judge.

I do not have a problem with automatic or semi-automatic voter registration.

I believe voting rights for felons is decided at the state level and that seems fine to me.
 
WCH said:
You forgot making it legal for non-citizens to vote. Otherwise, you're just pushing for enfranchisement [in your mind] of potential Leftists.
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Build that straw man! When you cannot refute an argument, you make **** up. Good job!
 
Redress said:
Build that straw man! When you cannot refute an argument, you make **** up. Good job!
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Being as these are real time, real life proposals, I don't think I made up a damn thing. What should frighten the Hell out of you is the real possibility these people might not vote for Communists.
 
WCH said:
Being as these are real time, real life proposals, I don't think I made up a damn thing. What should frighten the Hell out of you is the real possibility these people might not vote for Communists.
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He did not suggest making it legal for non citizens to vote. You added that on because you could not actually counter anything he said, so you had to make **** up.
 
Redress said:
There is no reason to go with ranked choice. Instead, elections(outside of president, which cannot be changed outside of changing the constitution) should be decided based on who gets more votes. Simple and elegant.
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Ranked choice voting is based on who gets the majority of votes. (Did you watch the video?)

It selects a winner dependent upon which candidate gets the most voters to rank him/her as their top preference(s), which is one of the best ways to establish a officer holder's credibility and mandate from voters. Likewise it blunts less-than-honest attempts to confuse or attack the integrity of our elections.

For example, from this year's election, that most recently was Congressman Scott Taylor, who has an active fraud investigation opened against him for his campaign forging signature to put a left-leaning candidate on the ballot to try to siphon voters away from his Democratic opponent. Or, sitting Republican Congressman, Ron Estes, who's running against a Ron Estes, who happens to be a Democratic donor.

Ranked choice voting helps blunt those spoiler tactics, as well as increases voters' ability to select their preferred candidates.
 
Redress said:
And as pointed out repeatedly now, that has exactly jack and **** to do with the OP that you responded to. Why can you not debate honestly?
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He didn't deny it...did he?

You guys are way transparent. When more people figure it out, you'll be begging for votes everywhere.
 
Geoist said:
I agree that all of these proposals benefit Democrats. Interestingly enough, the more citizens that vote the more Democrats/liberals tend to win.
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If every adult voted? The USA would go so socialistic and economy so trashed we would be asking Venezuela for humanitarian aid.
 
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