How Strong Does the Evidence Against Kavanaugh Need to Be?

gdgyva said:

Why?

Answer that truthfully....

It isn’t that she finally came out with story...it is how, and when. And then she petitions the senate after all testimony is given to tell her story...and then they relent, when they didn’t have to. But she didn’t just go and testify, she started adding more conditions to her testimony, some of which were downright ridiculous. She wanted the accused to go first? No questions from Kavanaugh’s advocates. Now a woman who has been to Hawaii, claims she is afraid to fly and the testimony can’t happen till Thursday.

Okay...so now we wait and see if she shows and testifies. Myself, I have my doubts. We will see what evidence and testimony she gives....hopefully it is more than what we already know.

Her story is NOT the norm though. And my position is that all women should come forward immediately when they are attacked or harassed. The sooner after the event, the better the chance the authorities will have to actually prosecute the SOB to the fullest extent of the law.

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Why do you feel that her story is "not the norm?" What is considered the norm? Something like 70% of sexual assaults go unreported, so what do you consider the norm, considering it's never happened to you?

I don't mean to be rude, but I am going to go back to my original statement to you - you don't understand this, and hopefully never will. Until this type of thing happens to you, you have no idea how you will handle it. Why did she wait until now? Aw, hell. I don't know. Maybe she didn't want to see somebody that *allegedly* sexually assaulted her be on the highest court in the land? Maybe she held it in until now because she didn't want to ruin his life, but now that he is in the position to ruin the lives of others, she decided not to wait anymore. I don't know. I do know that her statement was given to her Congresswoman 6 months ago. Not even sure Kavanaugh was on the radar then - at least for us. :shrug:

Victims of sexual assault all have different ways of dealing with it. Your sister fought back. Good for her. Not everyone can do that. I didn't, either time. Most women do not. 2 out of 3 do not even report. You can't discount that, or dismiss it, just because you feel it's wrong.

See my post:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/us-p...982-backing-up-his-denial.html#post1069075880

TurtleDude said:

you hate white people-how many times should the FBI reinvestigate areas they have already covered?

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Well, that's a good comeback - white boy (me) hates white people! Brilliant!

Tell us again you don't care if he did it and is now lying about it because "everybody lies." You made your position crystal clear. There are different rules for the elites.

TurtleDude said:

hundreds of women have stated in various social media outlets-that they were victims too and THUS she must be right. In other words, they are projecting their own disgust over not getting the level of justice they thought they should have received onto this hearing. its idiotic but it explains an almost cult like faith based position from the Kavanaugh haters

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And you're just as sure he's innocent, or worse don't care if the charges are true and he's now lying about it, under oath.

So to the bolded - projection much?

cpwill said:

I guess I would look askance at the side who was trying to avoid testifying and being cross examined under oath

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And would your suspicions change if the side that wants the investigation to happen agreed to be cross examined?

Grand Mal said:

And would your suspicions change if the side that wants the investigation to happen agreed to be cross examined?

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They would be reduced, but still they would suffer a bit in how I weigh credibility for their earlier desire-to-avoid.

That, however, is all-things-being-equal. If they then come in and are very credible and supported with available evidence while the other side is manifestly not, then that will also impact.

TurtleDude said:

why did Feinstein wait until AFTER the hearing to pull this crap? Why should the GOP wait and REWARD such disgusting behavior?

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Disgusting behaviour seems to be the topic alright. As for the GOP waiting for an investigation, has it come to the point where the right thing (clearing Kavanaugh of all wrongdoing) should take a back seat to the possibility of a liar and mysogynist being seated on the SC?
Remember, an investigation is about clearing his name. You all think its about validating what she says.

Doc91478 said:

How Strong Does the Evidence Against Kavanaugh Need to Be?

What the leadership of Democratic Party is doing to this man is wrong.

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I don't see it that way, the "Democratic Leadership" want Ms. Ford to have her say in a fair and un-prejudged way. AND, now, possibly a second accusation.

My "threshold" is if Ford and the second accusation are proven to be telling the truth then, by lying, Kavanaugh has disqualified himself. Or do you want a known liar on the Supreme Court?

StuPedaso said:

I don't see it that way, the "Democratic Leadership" want Ms. Ford to have her say in a fair and un-prejudged way. AND, now, possibly a second accusation.

My "threshold" is if Ford and the second accusation are proven to be telling the truth then, by lying, Kavanaugh has disqualified himself. Or do you want a known liar on the Supreme Court?

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Hmm...., Has the Democratic Party Left leadership given Keith Ellison's accusers have their say in a fair and unprejudiced manner? Was Juanita Broderick allowed the same? Was Mary Jo Kopechne, trapped inside Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile and drowned given the same? Oh, I forget the accused were and are all Democrats.

From what I understand a former president lied in a court of law and was never charged with perjury or sent to prison for it, although he lost his license to practice law. In fact after that he became a multi-millionaire thanks to his Democrat friends.

TurtleDude said:

like it or not, we shouldn't change the burden of proof nor the standard of a presumption of innocence because of that.

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Did I say anything about the burden of proof in a court of law?

Superfly said:

That's all anybody ever wanted to do with Dr. Ford. Look at the available data. Instead, her life has been turned upside downn and she's not even had the chance to speak yet.

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The hell with her how about Kavanaugh and his family being turned upside down by a woman that can't corroborate he own story. Feinstein holds onto this fake story until Kavanaugh is going to be voted on. This is a scam all designed by scumbag Democrats who will not stop anything to kill Kavanaugh. All you liberals need is some bitch to come forward and claim sexual abuse and you get your way destroying anyone in your path.

She didn't speak out 35 years ago because she was a scared kid. Now she has finally spoken out, and the reaction is exactly how she expected it to be, if not a great deal worse.

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She didn't speak out for 36 years not because she was a kid, hell she's in her 40's for Christ sake. But there was no need to speak out and destroy a potential SCJ until now. Now all because of you liberals think abortion is at risk, all the baby killers come out and yell sexual assault to destroy a candidate using any means possible. Hell you libs are yelling to kill Trump, chop his head off, abuse staffers in restaurants or anyplace you can find them, using any means possible to kill the opposition. Now you pull out all the stops and bring in a anti-abortion activist to charge Kavanaugh with a phony sexual assault charge. You'll stop at nothing.

Born Free said:

The hell with her how about Kavanaugh and his family being turned upside down by a woman that can't corroborate he own story. Feinstein holds onto this fake story until Kavanaugh is going to be voted on. This is a scam all designed by scumbag Democrats who will not stop anything to kill Kavanaugh. All you liberals need is some bitch to come forward and claim sexual abuse and you get your way destroying anyone in your path.



She didn't speak out for 36 years not because she was a kid, hell she's in her 40's for Christ sake. But there was no need to speak out and destroy a potential SCJ until now. Now all because of you liberals think abortion is at risk, all the baby killers come out and yell sexual assault to destroy a candidate using any means possible. Hell you libs are yelling to kill Trump, chop his head off, abuse staffers in restaurants or anyplace you can find them, using any means possible to kill the opposition. Now you pull out all the stops and bring in a anti-abortion activist to charge Kavanaugh with a phony sexual assault charge. You'll stop at nothing.

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You seem triggered.

Superfly said:

You seem triggered.

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I sure the hell hope her life is turned upside down, I hope she and her family are followed everywhere she goes and is surrounded and yelled at and leveled with obscenities, just for starters. She brought that on herself by making claims that she cannot corroborate, can't tell you where or when anything happened. She's a bitch that wants to go down as the one that destroyed an upstanding judge and his family. She would then become the liberal of the century who took down Kavanaugh. Problem is it's not going to happen and I sure hope like hell she pays a heavy price for her false claims that she can't corroborate.

Born Free said:

I sure the hell hope her life is turned upside down, I hope she and her family are followed everywhere she goes and is surrounded and yelled at and leveled with obscenities, just for starters. She brought that on herself by making claims that she cannot corroborate, can't tell you where or when anything happened. She's a bitch that wants to go down as the one that destroyed an upstanding judge and his family. She would then become the liberal of the century who took down Kavanaugh. Problem is it's not going to happen and I sure hope like hell she pays a heavy price for her false claims that she can't corroborate.

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:lol: Wow. Are you this angry in real life? Do you run around talking like this in real life? Is this how you order Starbucks? Or when the guy is changing your oil?

The evidence needs to be concrete. At this point, it is he said/she said. I believe that Kavanaugh is innocent. I have read and watched multiple videos and documents supporting both sides, and because it is at a he said/she said point, and because there is no concrete evidence, I have made this assumption. I believe that an FBI investigation has become necessary because it has been asked for by a majority of the committee and the president. It would then make sense, if nothing found, to present Kavanaugh with a seat on the Supreme Court. The fact that he has admitted to liking beer and having one too many at times is the only hindering information. Five members of the committee asked the same question, (These quotes might not be the exact words, but are very close) "Have you ever drank so many beers that you experienced loss in memory?" The other main question was "Do you have a problem with delaying this vote to allow an FBI investigation?" These two questions were repeated at least three times by different democratic members of the committee. I believe the members of the committee were putting more value on forcing him into a yes or no question, and the effect his reaction would have on those watching, than the results of a possible FBI investigation. The investigation was not guaranteed at the time, so they were forced to use other tactics in slandering his name. Basically, the left committee members are more focused on bashing his name with whatever possible and extending this vote to the midterms, than caring if Dr. Blasey Ford had been sexually assaulted or raped. They just wanted this opportunity to slander and accuse a potential candidate chosen by the president they loathe in order to prevent another right/conservative influence within the federal government. "Would you want someone who has been known to drink in abundance and has potentially raped someone to sit at the top of our country's judicial system?" This idea is all they want to circulate within our minds and those of the congress on the fence. I will not disregard the fact that he may be guilty of these accusations and if proven so then I am the fool for believing him, but if you can sit there and say you don't want him to be on the supreme court because he admitted to excessive drinking 35+ years ago, then you are a fool. I trust the man or woman more who can have a respectable professional life with their poison than one who claims not to have one. Everyone has a poison, whether it be a physical substance or practice, we all have one. The democrats are in panic mode and this completely portrays it. I hate to believe members of the government would stoop this low and I feel crazy admitting it, but I tend to go with my gut, and it screams that a man's life is being destroyed to prevent political gain by a party.