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What is the GOP?

Nickyjo said:
The evidence so far is just circumstantial, which I am told is often enough to convict. As you know we are waiting for a report to be produced.
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So give me some circumstantial evidence that is solid enough to convict any Trump of a non crime. To your point, they did get Cohen to cop to two non crimes, showing the intimidation power of a corrupt federal government holding all the cards, making/breaking laws as they go.

You think they have sufficient leverage to get Trump to do so as well?
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
So give me some circumstantial evidence that is solid enough to convict any Trump of a non crime. To your point, they did get Cohen to cop to two non crimes, showing the intimidation power of a corrupt federal government holding all the cards, making/breaking laws as they go.

You think they have sufficient leverage to get Trump to do so as well?
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I don’t think Trump should be charged with a crime based on the evidence so far. I was just making the point that prosecutors have gotten smaller fish wth circumstantial evidence. I have no idea what Mueller has or will reveal. But the known facts justify an investigation.

Couple questions however: what were the non crimes of Cohen, who admitted to fraud and campaign violations? Second, you are aware that the political party that holds the cards in the corrupt federal government is the GOP? Mueller is apparently republican, appointed by a republican who was appointed by a republican president. Is this some double reverse twist in the pike position, that all these folks other than Trump are really democrats?

Face it,if Ivanka and Jarred were in charge of the investigation, Trump would call it a witch hunt.
 
Nickyjo said:
I don’t think Trump should be charged with a crime based on the evidence so far. I was just making the point that prosecutors have gotten smaller fish wth circumstantial evidence. I have no idea what Mueller has or will reveal. But the known facts justify an investigation.

Couple questions however: what were the non crimes of Cohen, who admitted to fraud and campaign violations? Second, you are aware that the political party that holds the cards in the corrupt federal government is the GOP? Mueller is apparently republican, appointed by a republican who was appointed by a republican president. Is this some double reverse twist in the pike position, that all these folks other than Trump are really democrats?

Face it,if Ivanka and Jarred were in charge of the investigation, Trump would call it a witch hunt.
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The president cannot be charged with a crime while in office in any event.

The Muel will issue a report and if politically expedient, the misguided may proceed to attempt to impeach. https://www.theepochtimes.com/forme...y-to-charges-that-are-not-crimes_2630891.html as to the non crimes.

Swamp rats come in many colors, red as well as blue, black as well as white, brown, etc... with lots of the green interspersed... so whats your point?

You really think Smiling Rod is/was ever on team Trump? Simply because he aĺleges that he, like the Muel, is a republican? Dont look now but your guilelessness is showing.

As long as they expressed anti Trump sentiments, you would let cartoon characters, Minnie and Mickey be in charge of the investigaton. Or Chuckie and Pelosi, Maxine and Adam, Rachel and Anderson, Joe and Zika ...:lamo
 
CriticalThought said:
It is no longer about smaller government.
It is no longer about fiscal responsibility.
It is no longer about free market capitalism.
It is no longer about Judeo Christian morals.
It is no longer about personal responsibility.
It is no longer about justice, law, and order.
It is no longer about advocating charity.

What is the GOP now?

It believes investigations that lead to actual convictions are "witch hunts".

It believes North Korea and Russia are better friends than Canada because of the price of milk.

It believes that leaders paying off porn stars with campaign money to hide adultery is not newsworthy.

It believes mass shootings are an inevitable fact of life we just need to come to accept.

It believes Confederate monuments are sacred representations of American history and black people who protest police brutality by kneeling during the national anthem at football games are the scum of the earth.

It believes illegal immigrant families need to be split up, locked in cages, and parents then deported without their children and no means to reunite.

It believes tax cuts to the wealthy are popular and people who have worked 15 years at Walmart getting a one time $1000 bonus is proof of good policy.


In short, the GOP are a bunch of people who seem hell-bent on deceiving themselves into believing that what they are doing serves any discernable purpose besides enforcing an irrelevant social order that they believe is somehow tied to America's "greatness".
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One could argue it was never about any of those things to begin with, but that only until recently has the façade been laid completely bare for all to see.

I would argue that the GOP establishment today isn't at all about "conservative" values, but only the naked acquisition of wealth and power for them and their donors, coupled in an unholy alliance with the nativist white identitarian politics of the base.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
The president cannot be charged with a crime while in office in any event.

The Muel will issue a report and if politically expedient, the misguided may proceed to attempt to impeach. https://www.theepochtimes.com/forme...y-to-charges-that-are-not-crimes_2630891.html as to the non crimes.

Swamp rats come in many colors, red as well as blue, black as well as white, brown, etc... with lots of the green interspersed... so whats your point?

You really think Smiling Rod is/was ever on team Trump? Simply because he aĺleges that he, like the Muel, is a republican? Dont look now but your guilelessness is showing.

As long as they expressed anti Trump sentiments, you would let cartoon characters, Minnie and Mickey be in charge of the investigaton. Or Chuckie and Pelosi, Maxine and Adam, Rachel and Anderson, Joe and Zika ...:lamo
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So who actually is on team Trump?
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Not on Team Trump: not Rosensteinks, not the Shoom nor Pelosi, Maxine nor Adam, Rachel nor Anderson, certainly not Joe and Zika. Minnie and Mickey? Jury is still out, too early to tell.
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And your point is? None of these people are supposed to be part of Team Trump.
 
Aberration said:
The anger is not over the investigations that have lead to convictions. Its because the intention of the investigation is to dig for a crime on Trump until they find one. And then second the dishonest presentation that any of these convictions or guilty pleas have anything to do with him or Russian collusion.
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And yet this is exactly how you treat left wing politicians. It seems like hypocrisy to me. Hell, it is ironic because the man drove the birther conspiracy and demanded more and more evidence with no real basis to begin with and now people are pissed because it appears to some people like the same is being done to him. It is almost funny.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
The president cannot be charged with a crime while in office in any event.

The Muel will issue a report and if politically expedient, the misguided may proceed to attempt to impeach. https://www.theepochtimes.com/forme...y-to-charges-that-are-not-crimes_2630891.html as to the non crimes.

Swamp rats come in many colors, red as well as blue, black as well as white, brown, etc... with lots of the green interspersed... so whats your point?

You really think Smiling Rod is/was ever on team Trump? Simply because he aĺleges that he, like the Muel, is a republican? Dont look now but your guilelessness is showing.

As long as they expressed anti Trump sentiments, you would let cartoon characters, Minnie and Mickey be in charge of the investigaton. Or Chuckie and Pelosi, Maxine and Adam, Rachel and Anderson, Joe and Zika ...:lamo
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You clearly bought the Trump soap ad proclaiming that he wants to drain the swamp, when his real motive is to cash in on the swamp. Everything he’s done confirms this — from trying to disband consumer protections and investors from Wall St. crooks. When given the choice, he backs the crooks and the powerful against ordinary Americans, while personally enriching himself.

It’s clear at this point is that Swampy is endebted to Russians, who are the only ones who would finance his ventures. All other banks know that he would default. Russians only cared about influence.
 
MTAtech said:
You clearly bought the Trump soap ad proclaiming that he wants to drain the swamp,.
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If I were a Dem I would run adds with Trump saying this. Like no new Taxes with Bush senior.

Every American understands now that Trump did not drain the swamp but instead brought in a plethora of invasive species and taken over surrounding lands to expand the swamp.
 
noonereal said:
If I were a Dem I would run adds with Trump saying this. Like no new Taxes with Bush senior.

Every American understands now that Trump did not drain the swamp but instead brought in a plethora of invasive species and taken over surrounding lands to expand the swamp.
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This is in the WaPo:
The GOP’s two top priorities seem to be duds. So what does the party even stand for?

So what happened?
...voters learned what Obamacare does. And when they did, they realized they’d been fans all along.
The Obamacare brand had long been unpopular, sure, but nearly all of the law’s actual functions — such as protections for those with preexisting conditions, Medicaid expansion, premium subsidies for lower-income Americans — have always been wildly popular. Most were popular among Democrats and Republicans alike.
Once voters put two and two together, Republicans had to backtrack on one of their signature issues.
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Americans’ top complaints about the federal tax system are that some corporations and the wealthy “don’t pay their fair share,” according to a 2017 Pew Research Center survey. Yet the GOP tax bill allowed these two groups to shirk more of the country’s tax burden — something voters correctly identified in a recently leaked internal Republican National Committee poll.
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MTAtech said:
This is in the WaPo:
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It's interesting that WAPO uses these 2 points to demonstrate that the GOP is hypocritical. I think the main point should be the skyrocketing deficit, which will soon exceed $1 Trillion. They hold all three Legislative branches and cannot reduce the deficit. Pathetic!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...r-plus-deficits-fiscal-ruin-column/986236002/

Though no one in Washington will admit it, our nation's finances are in deep trouble. Spending is up, revenue is down, and this will only get worse.
 
MTAtech said:
You clearly bought the Trump soap ad proclaiming that he wants to drain the swamp, when his real motive is to cash in on the swamp. Everything he’s done confirms this — from trying to disband consumer protections and investors from Wall St. crooks. When given the choice, he backs the crooks and the powerful against ordinary Americans, while personally enriching himself.

It’s clear at this point is that Swampy is endebted to Russians, who are the only ones who would finance his ventures. All other banks know that he would default. Russians only cared about influence.
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How many of you are there left, far left, that still believe all that thrice chewed cud?

I was a semi addict of political debate... but these contnuous, ubiquitous watery bovine excretions on site that now substitute for positions by your side have almost cured me of my argumentative affliction.

Its so beyond laughable, so beyond banal its painfully boorish.

Just means the next 6 years are going pass blissfully slow.

MAGA

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MTAtech said:
You clearly bought the Trump soap ad proclaiming that he wants to drain the swamp, when his real motive is to cash in on the swamp. Everything he’s done confirms this — from trying to disband consumer protections and investors from Wall St. crooks. When given the choice, he backs the crooks and the powerful against ordinary Americans, while personally enriching himself.

It’s clear at this point is that Swampy is endebted to Russians, who are the only ones who would finance his ventures. All other banks know that he would default. Russians only cared about influence.
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Everything hes done? Yeah yeah yeah.

What was Trumps angle for getting more money for bringing home all the hostages in, lets say North Korea, left there by slenderman.... and the US did not pay billions like slenderman did in Iran? Or calling China on their stealing our intellectual property, on their currency manipulations that slenderman certainly did not have the brass ones to bring up? How did he make money off following through on the promise made by president after president to move our embassy to Jerusalem? How did he make money telling our NATO partners to pony up their agreed upon defense appropriations? I could keep going on doing away with regulations, appointing judges, allowing those with terminal illnesses to take experimental drugs not yet approved.

You are lost... look under your hat perhaps... anything there? Maybe check under the rug? Look into the unpainted corner you folks have trapped yourselves?
 
CriticalThought said:
It is no longer about smaller government.
It is no longer about fiscal responsibility.
It is no longer about free market capitalism.
It is no longer about Judeo Christian morals.
It is no longer about personal responsibility.
It is no longer about justice, law, and order.
It is no longer about advocating charity.
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Christians have had problems with liberal republicans for years. Christians still favor smaller governments, free market capitalism, law and order, personal giving as opposed to confiscation of individual monies to be given to charities of the government's choosing, and so forth.

What is the GOP now?
It believes investigations that lead to actual convictions are "witch hunts".
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Christians believe Mueller has not found any evidence of Trump/Russian collusion which was the primary reason for the institution of the investigation in the first place.

It believes North Korea and Russia are better friends than Canada because of the price of milk.
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A thousand critics of government will find fault with every little trade policy they think should be corrected according to their own unique individual opinions. The American government is not run that way. Americans elect politicians who then become responsible for making hard decisions that must be made in spite of opposition from small groups all around.

It believes that leaders paying off porn stars with campaign money to hide adultery is not newsworthy.
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Christians endure the sins of politicians who somehow become leaders who must be respected as such for the good of the whole nation. There are no politicians without sin, just as there were no clean Pharisees who could throw the first stone at the woman caught in adultery and brought before Jesus.

It believes mass shootings are an inevitable fact of life we just need to come to accept.
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Christians oppose murder, especially the inexcusable murder of cops by blacks who hate cops for various reasons.

It believes Confederate monuments are sacred representations of American history and black people who protest police brutality by kneeling during the national anthem at football games are the scum of the earth.
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Christians oppose the exaltation of members of one human tribe while discriminating against members of another tribe. Leave blacks alone who want to recognize black history and leave whites alone who want to recognize white history. Who cares? We should learn to be more tolerant towards others, especially those who hate us for being us and for descending from ancestors who were the same as us or different from us.

It believes illegal immigrant families need to be split up, locked in cages, and parents then deported without their children and no means to reunite.
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Christians believe the government should address issues like immigration, pass reasonable laws, and not be pressured to ignore laws just because large mobs of agitators find faults with those laws.

It believes tax cuts to the wealthy are popular and people who have worked 15 years at Walmart getting a one time $1000 bonus is proof of good policy.
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Christians do not favor wealth redistribution which unfairly discriminates against hard workers. A man may work and sacrifice for decades to earn money that is taxed every step of the way, only to see his savings confiscated by bad politicians who want to give large portions of that wealth to others who may know nothing of hard work and sacrifice.

In short, the GOP are a bunch of people who seem hell-bent on deceiving themselves into believing that what they are doing serves any discernable purpose besides enforcing an irrelevant social order that they believe is somehow tied to America's "greatness".
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Democrats do not appreciate American greatness and Christian heritage. That is why they want to overthrow America's Christian heritage and transform God bless America into an atheistic Leninist tyrannical oligarchy.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Everything hes done? Yeah yeah yeah.

What was Trumps angle for getting more money for bringing home all the hostages in, lets say North Korea, left there by slenderman.... and the US did not pay billions like slenderman did in Iran? Or calling China on their stealing our intellectual property, on their currency manipulations that slenderman certainly did not have the brass ones to bring up? How did he make money off following through on the promise made by president after president to move our embassy to Jerusalem? How did he make money telling our NATO partners to pony up their agreed upon defense appropriations? I could keep going on doing away with regulations, appointing judges, allowing those with terminal illnesses to take experimental drugs not yet approved.

You are lost... look under your hat perhaps... anything there? Maybe check under the rug? Look into the unpainted corner you folks have trapped yourselves?
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Yeah, Trump waking up in the morning and walking to the Oval Office wasn't an example of his profiteering, so therefore no profiteering elsewhere can exist.

Hostages in North Korea? You mean like Otto F. Warmbier, the Cincinnati college student who died after suffering a severe brain injury during 17 months in custody in Pyongyang? Much of what you cite are merely bad ideas and not necessarily corruption. However, on Trump's profiteering and featherbedding, it is astounding that you can deny that it exists, among the truckloads of evidence. The Washington Monthly ran an article on Trump's violation of the emoluments clause, with over a hundred examples.
 
marke said:
Christians have had problems with liberal republicans for years. Christians still favor smaller governments, free market capitalism, law and order, personal giving as opposed to confiscation of individual monies to be given to charities of the government's choosing, and so forth.



Christians believe Mueller has not found any evidence of Trump/Russian collusion which was the primary reason for the institution of the investigation in the first place.



A thousand critics of government will find fault with every little trade policy they think should be corrected according to their own unique individual opinions. The American government is not run that way. Americans elect politicians who then become responsible for making hard decisions that must be made in spite of opposition from small groups all around.



Christians endure the sins of politicians who somehow become leaders who must be respected as such for the good of the whole nation. There are no politicians without sin, just as there were no clean Pharisees who could throw the first stone at the woman caught in adultery and brought before Jesus.



Christians oppose murder, especially the inexcusable murder of cops by blacks who hate cops for various reasons.



Christians oppose the exaltation of members of one human tribe while discriminating against members of another tribe. Leave blacks alone who want to recognize black history and leave whites alone who want to recognize white history. Who cares? We should learn to be more tolerant towards others, especially those who hate us for being us and for descending from ancestors who were the same as us or different from us.



Christians believe the government should address issues like immigration, pass reasonable laws, and not be pressured to ignore laws just because large mobs of agitators find faults with those laws.



Christians do not favor wealth redistribution which unfairly discriminates against hard workers. A man may work and sacrifice for decades to earn money that is taxed every step of the way, only to see his savings confiscated by bad politicians who want to give large portions of that wealth to others who may know nothing of hard work and sacrifice.



Democrats do not appreciate American greatness and Christian heritage. That is why they want to overthrow America's Christian heritage and transform God bless America into an atheistic Leninist tyrannical oligarchy.
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I don't think that you have a mandate to speak for Christians as a group, as many, if not all, would disagree with you.

I thought of dispelling each of your statements, point-by-point, but thought why bother? They are irrational and I really don't want to give your viewpoint credibility.
 
MTAtech said:
I don't think that you have a mandate to speak for Christians as a group, as many, if not all, would disagree with you.

I thought of dispelling each of your statements, point-by-point, but thought why bother? They are irrational and I really don't want to give your viewpoint credibility.
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You give your opinions here and I give mine. What is the difference?
 
marke said:
You give your opinions here and I give mine. What is the difference?
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I give opinions based upon verifiable facts. I don't pretend to speak for an entire group of people or claim that an entire group of people believe, in lock-step, in "X" or "Y." That's the difference.
 
MTAtech said:
Yeah, Trump waking up in the morning and walking to the Oval Office wasn't an example of his profiteering, so therefore no profiteering elsewhere can exist.

Hostages in North Korea? You mean like Otto F. Warmbier, the Cincinnati college student who died after suffering a severe brain injury during 17 months in custody in Pyongyang? Much of what you cite are merely bad ideas and not necessarily corruption. However, on Trump's profiteering and featherbedding, it is astounding that you can deny that it exists, among the truckloads of evidence. The Washington Monthly ran an article on Trump's violation of the emoluments clause, with over a hundred examples.
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Dont blame me for your stupid word sloppiness, bro.

Yeah, there were more hostages, bro... google it.

Yeah, not worried about folks staying in Trump's properties worldwide or in the US. Big whoop. Sorry... thats just Trump chump change. You arent worried about it at all except its for Trump. If you were actually worried about POTUS profiteering you would be hot after BJ and the fat lady... but you're not concerned at all. Look into the U 1 sale of a US national security asset to those evil Russians by the slenderman administration [ NO! its not been debunked, btw ].

Or you would have been raving over the sweet home/extra lot deal slenderman and Michael got from Rezko, right? Or how they afford that and another house, $8.1 million they bought in DC, right?

Nah, its all false outrage.
 
CriticalThought said:
It is no longer about smaller government.
It is no longer about fiscal responsibility.
It is no longer about free market capitalism.
It is no longer about Judeo Christian morals.
It is no longer about personal responsibility.
It is no longer about justice, law, and order.
It is no longer about advocating charity.

What is the GOP now?

It believes investigations that lead to actual convictions are "witch hunts".

It believes North Korea and Russia are better friends than Canada because of the price of milk.

It believes that leaders paying off porn stars with campaign money to hide adultery is not newsworthy.

It believes mass shootings are an inevitable fact of life we just need to come to accept.

It believes Confederate monuments are sacred representations of American history and black people who protest police brutality by kneeling during the national anthem at football games are the scum of the earth.

It believes illegal immigrant families need to be split up, locked in cages, and parents then deported without their children and no means to reunite.

It believes tax cuts to the wealthy are popular and people who have worked 15 years at Walmart getting a one time $1000 bonus is proof of good policy.


In short, the GOP are a bunch of people who seem hell-bent on deceiving themselves into believing that what they are doing serves any discernable purpose besides enforcing an irrelevant social order that they believe is somehow tied to America's "greatness".
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Well hell, lets just go vote for the communist democrat crooks then.
 
CriticalThought said:
It is no longer about smaller government.
It is no longer about fiscal responsibility.
It is no longer about free market capitalism.
It is no longer about Judeo Christian morals.
It is no longer about personal responsibility.
It is no longer about justice, law, and order.
It is no longer about advocating charity.

What is the GOP now?

It believes investigations that lead to actual convictions are "witch hunts".

It believes North Korea and Russia are better friends than Canada because of the price of milk.

It believes that leaders paying off porn stars with campaign money to hide adultery is not newsworthy.

It believes mass shootings are an inevitable fact of life we just need to come to accept.

It believes Confederate monuments are sacred representations of American history and black people who protest police brutality by kneeling during the national anthem at football games are the scum of the earth.

It believes illegal immigrant families need to be split up, locked in cages, and parents then deported without their children and no means to reunite.

It believes tax cuts to the wealthy are popular and people who have worked 15 years at Walmart getting a one time $1000 bonus is proof of good policy.


In short, the GOP are a bunch of people who seem hell-bent on deceiving themselves into believing that what they are doing serves any discernable purpose besides enforcing an irrelevant social order that they believe is somehow tied to America's "greatness".
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The GOP has essentially been a criminal syndicate for many years now.
 
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