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What is the GOP?

CriticalThought said:
You know, dickish behavior in a thread just shows that the point hit home when you could have far more easily moved past the thread with no response.
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There really isn't a need to respond to any of your insults that you directed at a large body of people in your OP.

Like I said.... just more non-critical thinking, ranting, and looking to preach to your liberal choir.

You own it.
 
DH Kirkwood said:
You say this as if a list is the most common and the most accepted form of expression of criticism. Conservatives criticize the Democratic party for various things on a regular basis. I don't typically agree with that criticism, as a conservative and myself are not likely to complain about the same things, but the meat of your complaint seems to be, "But . . . no comprehensive LIST!"

Did you miss all the conservatives that complain about welfare?



You say that as if there wasn't collusion, or media bias, or policies that the right thinks are dangerous.

First off, collusion:

The entirety of the RussiaGate scandal started with the Clinton camp's deflection from the emails that WikiLeaks uncovered. Whatever ties the president had to Russia, we need to remember the emails prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that not only did the Democrats rig their own primary, but they colluded with the media in doing so. This isn't up for debate. It's a proven fact, and we all suspected as much before they were released.
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I just couldn't get past this very first paragraph in your comment, wondering what you're talking about? You're claiming that the 'Clinton camp' deflected from the emails Wikileaks uncovered. What did they deflect? How did the Democrats 'rig their own primary and colluded with media in doing so? Yes, I'm sorry but it is up for debate and no, it is absolutely not a 'proven fact'. Not in the least.

Can you explain this claim so I can move on to your second paragraph? Please provide substantiated proof of such accusations or they are invalid.
 
SheWolf said:
Looking back, a lot of it was just race baiting and Islamaphobia, and it wasn't good for America.

I remember my dad's friend saying he was really scared when Obama won. He is a very educated man, a life long Republican, and never displayed any kind of bigtory. When my dad kept asking him what he was so worried about, he finally said his taxes going up. He is a Trump supporter now, which is really shocking. We think he just he went for Trump because he will always be for the GOP. He lost so much money in his 401K during the Bush recession, he is working far after he initially planned.
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Lol, Why would that be shocking? You said his fear of Obama was that he was worried that his taxes would go up, Trump ran on cutting taxes so it should have been apparent if that was his primary concern he would be a Trump supporter.
 
haymarket said:
The GOP is now the army of Trump. That is it in a nutshell.
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Yup. It has been absorbed into the Trumpcult which is why real conservatives like George Will and Steve Schmidt have left.
 
apdst said:
As a Libertarian, you aren't concerned that an investigation was launched using fake evidence of an imaginary crime?
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Stop this apdst, you've been challenged many times on this and you have failed.

Stop running around the forum claiming Muellers investigation is illegal based on vague platitudes you can't back up with substance.
 
CriticalThought said:
It is no longer about smaller government.
It is no longer about fiscal responsibility.
It is no longer about free market capitalism.
It is no longer about Judeo Christian morals.
It is no longer about personal responsibility.
It is no longer about justice, law, and order.
It is no longer about advocating charity.

What is the GOP now?

It believes investigations that lead to actual convictions are "witch hunts".

It believes North Korea and Russia are better friends than Canada because of the price of milk.

It believes that leaders paying off porn stars with campaign money to hide adultery is not newsworthy.

It believes mass shootings are an inevitable fact of life we just need to come to accept.

It believes Confederate monuments are sacred representations of American history and black people who protest police brutality by kneeling during the national anthem at football games are the scum of the earth.

It believes illegal immigrant families need to be split up, locked in cages, and parents then deported without their children and no means to reunite.

It believes tax cuts to the wealthy are popular and people who have worked 15 years at Walmart getting a one time $1000 bonus is proof of good policy.


In short, the GOP are a bunch of people who seem hell-bent on deceiving themselves into believing that what they are doing serves any discernable purpose besides enforcing an irrelevant social order that they believe is somehow tied to America's "greatness".
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Actually, if you really want to get right down to it, most conservatives that I know are pretty laid back people who would just prefer a little moderation when it comes to society and politics. The kinda folks that want to be left alone, and live and let live.

With that said, They could give a **** what people like you think about them. :roll::lamo
 
Jetboogieman said:
Well you self deceptioned yourself into becoming a birther, so, at least one sign you're into self deception.
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Wanna prove that do ya?

Or are you gonna run like you do every time I challenge you on it? What is this, like 5 times now? And you are a ""colluder"" ... and you have even deceieved yourself that collusion is a crime, right? :lamo

What a pitful laugh.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Stop this apdst, you've been challenged many times on this and you have failed.

Stop running around the forum claiming Muellers investigation is illegal based on vague platitudes you can't back up with substance.
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Are you kidding me?

Where you been, dont watch the news... or only the fake news, eh? So, tell us, the Muel investigation is either investigating a crime...or its a witch hunt...so, whats the crime? Statute violated please.

And yes, I ve asked this about a hundred times on site, nobody can answer...why is that do you suppose? If you dont have a crime you are investigating a person looking for any crime (that is not the AMERICAN SYSTEM)... or manuacturing one.

Which is it?
 
apdst said:
No it hasn't. The Steele Dossier has never been verified and there's no such crime as "collusion".
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There may be no such crime as collusion, but that is beside the point. If Trump colluded with the Russians to influence a US election, that’s treasonous.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Are you kidding me?

Where you been, dont watch the news... or only the fake news, eh? So, tell us, the Muel investigation is either investigating a crime...or its a witch hunt...so, whats the crime? Statute violated please.

And yes, I ve asked this about a hundred times on site, nobody can answer...why is that do you suppose? If you dont have a crime you are investigating a person looking for any crime (that is not the AMERICAN SYSTEM)... or manuacturing one.

Which is it?
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So I'll put to you the same challenge I put to apdst.

If Muellers investigation is so hyper illegal, file an injunction against him on Trumps behalf.

It's that simple mate, if its such a blatant violation of the law, I'm sure you'll have no issue at all doing it.
 
Jetboogieman said:
So I'll put to you the same challenge I put to apdst.

If Muellers investigation is so hyper illegal, file an injunction against him on Trumps behalf.

It's that simple mate, if its such a blatant violation of the law, I'm sure you'll have no issue at all doing it.
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Sorry to break it to ya, but I am only your CHECKMATE, bro.

Yours was to answer the statute broken... You cant, so you want one of us to take on a corrupted deep state that even a sitting US president is having difficulties reining in...what a joke debate post.

AND, I see my challenge to your ubiquitous "birther" answer to every thread goes nowhere for the 6th time. I would ask the question "have you no shame"...but that answer is obvious.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Stop this apdst, you've been challenged many times on this and you have failed.

Stop running around the forum claiming Muellers investigation is illegal based on vague platitudes you can't back up with substance.
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You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
 
Jetboogieman said:
So I'll put to you the same challenge I put to apdst.

If Muellers investigation is so hyper illegal, file an injunction against him on Trumps behalf.

It's that simple mate, if its such a blatant violation of the law, I'm sure you'll have no issue at all doing it.
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You still posting that stupid ****?

How about you call Mueller and lend him your legal expertice. Go ahead wrap the case up.
 
Nickyjo said:
There may be no such crime as collusion, but that is beside the point. If Trump colluded with the Russians to influence a US election, that’s treasonous.
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Nobody has produced any evidence even of this non crime.

Care to be the first? Yeah, its just rhetorical, we know ya got nothing solid, nobody does.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Nobody has produced any evidence even of this non crime.

Care to be the first? Yeah, its just rhetorical, we know ya got nothing solid, nobody does.
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Why are the same people who flipped their **** about Hillary's email and screamed "lock her up" now decrying an investigation that has actually led to convictions and guilty pleas. Even funnier, the same people who wanted to "drain the swamp" are angered that Trump friends are getting caught for fraud and tax evasion.
 
CriticalThought said:
Why are the same people who flipped their **** about Hillary's email and screamed "lock her up" now decrying an investigation that has actually led to convictions and guilty pleas. Even funnier, the same people who wanted to "drain the swamp" are angered that Trump friends are getting caught for fraud and tax evasion.
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The anger is not over the investigations that have lead to convictions. Its because the intention of the investigation is to dig for a crime on Trump until they find one. And then second the dishonest presentation that any of these convictions or guilty pleas have anything to do with him or Russian collusion.
 
CriticalThought said:
It is no longer about smaller government.
It is no longer about fiscal responsibility.
It is no longer about free market capitalism.
It is no longer about Judeo Christian morals.
It is no longer about personal responsibility.
It is no longer about justice, law, and order.
It is no longer about advocating charity.

What is the GOP now?

It believes investigations that lead to actual convictions are "witch hunts".

It believes North Korea and Russia are better friends than Canada because of the price of milk.

It believes that leaders paying off porn stars with campaign money to hide adultery is not newsworthy.

It believes mass shootings are an inevitable fact of life we just need to come to accept.

It believes Confederate monuments are sacred representations of American history and black people who protest police brutality by kneeling during the national anthem at football games are the scum of the earth.

It believes illegal immigrant families need to be split up, locked in cages, and parents then deported without their children and no means to reunite.

It believes tax cuts to the wealthy are popular and people who have worked 15 years at Walmart getting a one time $1000 bonus is proof of good policy.


In short, the GOP are a bunch of people who seem hell-bent on deceiving themselves into believing that what they are doing serves any discernable purpose besides enforcing an irrelevant social order that they believe is somehow tied to America's "greatness".
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I don't speak for the GOP. Suffice it say that it is as corrupt as the Democrat party which is saying something!

However, your laundry list of biased and corrupted talking points from the Dems is representative of the cancer that pervades our politics. Your corrupted thinking happens to present with a Democrat bias.

The GOP hasn't been an actual supporter of any of the asserted talking points during my life time and I'm about to retire. The Dems have not been either. Both parties are comprised of lying thieves.

Both political parties exist for only one purpose: They exist to continue to exist. This is driven by their need for power and wealth which means, obviously, they are both populated by lying thieves and crooks.

It's like a professional wrestling match. The opponents are actors there only to split the "gate".

If you feel allegiance to any of them, you are a willing dupe of the system they hope to maintain.

Why is it, do you think, that everyone on both sides of the political spectrum are against the success of the political outsider?

Why do you think they speak in terms employing plausible deniability and double meaning? Why does every injustice go on while every promised solution NEVER materializes?
 
CriticalThought said:
Why are the same people who flipped their **** about Hillary's email and screamed "lock her up" now decrying an investigation that has actually led to convictions and guilty pleas. Even funnier, the same people who wanted to "drain the swamp" are angered that Trump friends are getting caught for fraud and tax evasion.
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I would be fine with it, it would be over already if the so called investigators were actually investigating what they said they were investigating. Yano?

Probably not, your side is seems forever clueless.

NONE, for the dem-witted that means not even ONE, of the crimes has ANYTHING , and again for the dem-witted that means "nothing", not ONE THING, to do with the non crime of collusion. You think a corrupted government couldnt find, or pin, a crime on YOU? Carter Page, Pop and Flynn will be rich men at tax payer expense in the end.

Manafort and Cohen comitted non related crimes that others, example the Podesta bros, will now also have to pay for (no skin off my back, good riddance)... so there is some good that has/will come of it.

Dont you wish you had even a modicum of that kind of intellectual integrity?
 
CriticalThought said:
It is no longer about smaller government.
It is no longer about fiscal responsibility.
It is no longer about free market capitalism.
It is no longer about Judeo Christian morals.
It is no longer about personal responsibility.
It is no longer about justice, law, and order.
It is no longer about advocating charity.

What is the GOP now?

It believes investigations that lead to actual convictions are "witch hunts".

It believes North Korea and Russia are better friends than Canada because of the price of milk.

It believes that leaders paying off porn stars with campaign money to hide adultery is not newsworthy.

It believes mass shootings are an inevitable fact of life we just need to come to accept.

It believes Confederate monuments are sacred representations of American history and black people who protest police brutality by kneeling during the national anthem at football games are the scum of the earth.

It believes illegal immigrant families need to be split up, locked in cages, and parents then deported without their children and no means to reunite.

It believes tax cuts to the wealthy are popular and people who have worked 15 years at Walmart getting a one time $1000 bonus is proof of good policy.


In short, the GOP are a bunch of people who seem hell-bent on deceiving themselves into believing that what they are doing serves any discernable purpose besides enforcing an irrelevant social order that they believe is somehow tied to America's "greatness".
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Hmm, there's no doubt the Republican Party has become the party of Trump. They have dumped quite a few of their conservative ideals because Trump doesn't believe in them. But any party being the party of a president of their party is SOP, the norm. The GOP being the party of Trump is no different than the Democratic party being the party of Obama when he was president. Prior to that the GOP was the party of G.W. Bush while he was president, the Democrats the party of Bill Clinton while he was president and so on further on down the line.

Political parties adjust and change over time. The Democratic Party certainly isn't the big tent party it was from FDR to Reagan. The Republican Party isn't the party of Eisenhower or even Reagan today. It's the party of Trump. The Democratic Party is far removed from being the party of JFK, so many changes, so many adjustments, to include the abandonment of the the big tent party ideals.
 
CriticalThought said:
It is no longer about smaller government.
It is no longer about fiscal responsibility.
It is no longer about free market capitalism.
It is no longer about Judeo Christian morals.
It is no longer about personal responsibility.
It is no longer about justice, law, and order.
It is no longer about advocating charity.

What is the GOP now?

It believes investigations that lead to actual convictions are "witch hunts".

It believes North Korea and Russia are better friends than Canada because of the price of milk.

It believes that leaders paying off porn stars with campaign money to hide adultery is not newsworthy.

It believes mass shootings are an inevitable fact of life we just need to come to accept.

It believes Confederate monuments are sacred representations of American history and black people who protest police brutality by kneeling during the national anthem at football games are the scum of the earth.

It believes illegal immigrant families need to be split up, locked in cages, and parents then deported without their children and no means to reunite.

It believes tax cuts to the wealthy are popular and people who have worked 15 years at Walmart getting a one time $1000 bonus is proof of good policy.


In short, the GOP are a bunch of people who seem hell-bent on deceiving themselves into believing that what they are doing serves any discernable purpose besides enforcing an irrelevant social order that they believe is somehow tied to America's "greatness".
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I vote for the candidate who shows the most Christian compassion and toward tiny helpless unborn babies who also demonstrates the best possible plan for stopping the baby murdering insanity. Needless to say, I do not support any candidate for the SCOTUS who supports abortion. All the rest are just colored bubbles.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Nobody has produced any evidence even of this non crime.

Care to be the first? Yeah, its just rhetorical, we know ya got nothing solid, nobody does.
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The evidence so far is just circumstantial, which I am told is often enough to convict. As you know we are waiting for a report to be produced.
 
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