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Bruce Ohr Testimony Reveals More FBI Corruption

Manc Skipper said:
He had not only one, but two undisclosed meeting with the Russian ambassador as a surrogate of the Trump campaign.
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What were the exact characteristics of those meetings and what were the venues?
 
code1211 said:
What were the exact characteristics of those meetings and what were the venues?
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They were enough for Sessions to recuse himself. Bogging yourself in minutiae isn't advancing whatever case you are trying to make. Death by nitpick never works.
 
Manc Skipper said:
They were enough for Sessions to recuse himself. Bogging yourself in minutiae isn't advancing whatever case you are trying to make. Death by nitpick never works.
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So you accept rumor and half truth as evidence?

Good for you!
 
Doc91478 said:
Reports: Bruce Ohr Testimony Reveals More FBI Corruption
https://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...bi-corruption/
The closed-door testimony of Justice Department official Bruce Ohr before House investigators Tuesday revealed new details about the FBI information-gathering steps both prior to and during its surveillance of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in 2016.
Ohr, the Justice Department’s director of the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Forces, has emerged as a key figure in “Spygate,” the ongoing scandal surrounding an alleged FBI-led plot to surveil then-candidate Donald Trump’s campaign in an unprecedented effort to thwart the real estate tycoon’s White House bid..... According to House Freedom Caucus chairman Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC), Ohr confirmed the FBI “privately” re-engaged Trump dossier author Christopher Steele and continued receiving additional information, despite terminating its relationship with the former British intelligence agent. “This was after suggesting to the American public they had cut Steele off,”

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No special prosecutor for the blatant Democrat crimes. This dual “justice” system must end. The creatures of the Swamp will never arrest and prosecute themselves. Obama knew corrupting, politicizing and weaponizing the FBI would be his greatest legacy as radical leftists use the power of the department to go rogue and push an anti-American This has nothing to do with Russia anymore, so Sessions' recusal means nothing in this case. Treason and sedition have become the crimes of fashion for the leaders of the FBI, and his inaction in this matter gives them cover to serve their own interests over the interest of the nation. Prosecute these crimes, or step aside and let someone with moral convictions do what Sessions won't.
Personally, I didn't think there was more corruption to be had. I thought they had already achieved the pinnacle of Treason. We need to stop fooling around, kicking cans down the road and start indicting these people and sending them to prison, for their treasonous acts. Jeff Sessions where are you? We're tired of waiting for justice to be served!!! Certainly Democrats only believe in 'Just Us'.
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Should the Democrats take the majority in the house, all this will be swept under the rug, as they will chair the investigative committees which they will wield as political weapons against their political opponents, and the obvious corruption and bias in the DOJ and FBI will continue, and be exploited to attack political opponents by the next Democrat who's elected to the White House.

Seems like the midterms choice is pretty stark and pretty simple.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Sessions is complicit, that's why he had to recuse himself. He can't absolve Trump of his crimes as Trump wanted.
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That's bull... The reason he recused himself is that he felt it violated DOJ policy. Specifically, 28 CFR 45.2 Which says:

"no DOJ employee may participate in a criminal investigation or prosecution if he has a personal or political relationship with any person or organization substantially involved in the conduct that is the subject of the investigation or prosecution, or who would be directly affected by the outcome."​

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code1211 said:
Do you wonder at all, even for a moment, why Ohr accepted the fantasies of Steele?

So far, every blind alley that Steele's dossier leads the investigators into turns out to be a blind alley. there can't be much more to find from that work of fiction that hasn't already been sleuthed out by the experts of the Clown Squad.

No colluuuuuuuuusion yet and the Clown Squad continues to pursue their witches. At what point do we ask, "Where's the beef?"

I've been asking that for a while, now. Still no beef. Aren't you at all interested in seeing the Clown Squad actually produce something that they were appointed to look into or finding why they can't?

Either they're professionals looking for something that just doesn't exist or they're incompetent clowns wasting time and money.

My opinion? See the pic below.
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What makes your position and questions stupid is that you should know that you do not know everything is going on in the investigation. Without that inside knowledge of the investigation you are (and I) only speaking from ignorance. It is really weird that you have taken such strong wording and positions from your armchair. It is my opinion that trump is probably guilty but until I have actual information I remain skeptical of his actual guilt. At best though Trump is an incompetent president; and easily manipulated idiot that should never have been President. Trump denied Russian interference over and over again while publicly and internationally siding with Putin over the US, that alone shows just how dangerous it is to have Trump as President. SO save the clown car pictures and add some an actual substance to this conversation.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
What makes your position and questions stupid is that you should know that you do not know everything is going on in the investigation. Without that inside knowledge of the investigation you are (and I) only speaking from ignorance. It is really weird that you have taken such strong wording and positions from your armchair. It is my opinion that trump is probably guilty but until I have actual information I remain skeptical of his actual guilt. At best though Trump is an incompetent president; and easily manipulated idiot that should never have been President. Trump denied Russian interference over and over again while publicly and internationally siding with Putin over the US, that alone shows just how dangerous it is to have Trump as President. SO save the clown car pictures and add some an actual substance to this conversation.
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You've formed some strong opinions from your armchair too.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Of course that is what we all do. But I know that my opinions are just opinions. I do not try to pretend that my opinions are facts.
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Oh, really? These surely look like opinions to me: "At best though Trump is an incompetent president; and [an] easily manipulated idiot that should never have been President."
 
FreedomFromAll said:
What makes your position and questions stupid is that you should know that you do not know everything is going on in the investigation. Without that inside knowledge of the investigation you are (and I) only speaking from ignorance. It is really weird that you have taken such strong wording and positions from your armchair. It is my opinion that trump is probably guilty but until I have actual information I remain skeptical of his actual guilt. At best though Trump is an incompetent president; and easily manipulated idiot that should never have been President. Trump denied Russian interference over and over again while publicly and internationally siding with Putin over the US, that alone shows just how dangerous it is to have Trump as President. SO save the clown car pictures and add some an actual substance to this conversation.
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As American Citizens, we are all innocent until proven Guilty. Rosenstein said this in regard to the investigation and Trump:

"Now, there is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election."

Of what crime do you believe Trump to be guilty?

Trump is incompetent? By what measure to you judge competence. The ONLY major campaign promise he made that he has not implemented is the Wall. Stay tuned...

Regarding his presidential successes, his has been an amazingly successful and accomplished administration by any measure. What have you been watching?

Regarding Putin in particular, has Russia invaded any countries recently? What are you talking about?
 
nota bene said:
Oh, really? These surely look like opinions to me: "At best though Trump is an incompetent president; and [an] easily manipulated idiot that should never have been President."
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Why yes... that is why I said " It is my opinion that" usually when one uses those words what comes next is nothing but, opinion. I have no idea why you are drilling me now when I clearly stated that I was sharing an opinion. Notice though that I mad it clear that it \was opinion and not a fact or even a truth. Perhaps you can get back on the subject of this thread, instead of stating the ****ing obvious that I made an opinion after stating, that I was making a opinion? ANd if you like I made said opinion from a chair. SO if your intent is to call me hypocritical then great you made your petty off topic point.
 
code1211 said:
As American Citizens, we are all innocent until proven Guilty. Rosenstein said this in regard to the investigation and Trump:

"Now, there is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election."

Of what crime do you believe Trump to be guilty?

Trump is incompetent? By what measure to you judge competence. The ONLY major campaign promise he made that he has not implemented is the Wall. Stay tuned...

Regarding his presidential successes, his has been an amazingly successful and accomplished administration by any measure. What have you been watching?

Regarding Putin in particular, has Russia invaded any countries recently? What are you talking about?
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Again I am waiting for the investigation to come to an end and then we will know more then. I am not going to make up crimes that trump might have broken and not have the information that only the investigation can provide.

I do indeed have opinions on on Trump, some of which are based on Trumps public behavior. You can disagree with me, I do not care. Of course if my opinions are irrelevant so are yours. So the opinions you are sharing are no more valid than my opinions. Like this BS opinion of your that "Regarding his presidential successes, his has been an amazingly successful and accomplished administration by any measure." I mean seriously you are praising trump as if he is a great president, there might be some large carying opinions on what is good on our parts. IMO I do not see trump doing anything good for the country.
So yes our opinions do not agree. But Im ok with that, it doesnt bother me.


Oh and FFS I dont even know what to say to you about Putin and Russia if at this point you think that Russia hasnt invaded any countries recently. Or that, had anything to do with that I said. Trump very defintely sided with Putin over his own country, that is historic fact now that no one can spin away. But sure act stupid as if you didnt watch him do that over and over again.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Again I am waiting for the investigation to come to an end and then we will know more then. I am not going to make up crimes that trump might have broken and not have the information that only the investigation can provide.

I do indeed have opinions on on Trump, some of which are based on Trumps public behavior. You can disagree with me, I do not care. Of course if my opinions are irrelevant so are yours. So the opinions you are sharing are no more valid than my opinions. Like this BS opinion of your that "Regarding his presidential successes, his has been an amazingly successful and accomplished administration by any measure." I mean seriously you are praising trump as if he is a great president, there might be some large carying opinions on what is good on our parts. IMO I do not see trump doing anything good for the country.
So yes our opinions do not agree. But Im ok with that, it doesnt bother me.


Oh and FFS I dont even know what to say to you about Putin and Russia if at this point you think that Russia hasnt invaded any countries recently. Or that, had anything to do with that I said. Trump very defintely sided with Putin over his own country, that is historic fact now that no one can spin away. But sure act stupid as if you didnt watch him do that over and over again.
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In what way did, Trump "side" with Putin?

My opinion is based on the all time highs in the stock markets, the all time lows in the unemployment, the incredibly fast pace of increasing jobs, the rising average wage, the all time high household income and on and on and on. in other words, his incredible and unprecedented successes benefitting all parts of the society and ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS.

You opinion is based on what?

Our media is doing crap that is intended to deceive the weak minded.

For instance, Trump said something about a ridiculous estimate based on no actual facts on the ground regarding deaths after Hurricane Maria. 3 days later, NBC news had no "Trump is a jerk" story, so they wheeled this one out again.

The only other stories to cover were everything from Hurricane Florence to Elizabeth Smart to the upcoming elections and trade wars. Of course they had to tell the half truth and leave out the context and background of the Body Count story from PR.

You seem to hold opinions guided by the editorial choices of our media.
 
code1211 said:
In what way did, Trump "side" with Putin?

My opinion is based on the all time highs in the stock markets, the all time lows in the unemployment, the incredibly fast pace of increasing jobs, the rising average wage, the all time high household income and on and on and on. in other words, his incredible and unprecedented successes benefitting all parts of the society and ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS.

You opinion is based on what?

Our media is doing crap that is intended to deceive the weak minded.

For instance, Trump said something about a ridiculous estimate based on no actual facts on the ground regarding deaths after Hurricane Maria. 3 days later, NBC news had no "Trump is a jerk" story, so they wheeled this one out again.

The only other stories to cover were everything from Hurricane Florence to Elizabeth Smart to the upcoming elections and trade wars. Of course they had to tell the half truth and leave out the context and background of the Body Count story from PR.

You seem to hold opinions guided by the editorial choices of our media.
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That is a a very weak argument that Ironically was pumped out by the Trump administration. Try as you might I am not going to take the position you just tried to assign to me. Nope, I am not going to argue body counts or the distraction of trying to make this about the media. An investigation is under way and you cannot stop it and it is anti to everything American to even suggest that the investigation should be stopped based on conspiracy theories and propaganda alone. These attacks that Trump deals out on the media, witnesses, law enforcement, or anyone that opposes Trump are symptoms and a warning signal. And to watch his supporters act with the mentality of brown shirts is alarming. As long as the US Constitution stays intact as it is now all this will pass. As soon as the Constitution fails to protect us from our president and his base? Lets just say things will change...
 
FreedomFromAll said:
That is a a very weak argument that Ironically was pumped out by the Trump administration. Try as you might I am not going to take the position you just tried to assign to me. Nope, I am not going to argue body counts or the distraction of trying to make this about the media. An investigation is under way and you cannot stop it and it is anti to everything American to even suggest that the investigation should be stopped based on conspiracy theories and propaganda alone. These attacks that Trump deals out on the media, witnesses, law enforcement, or anyone that opposes Trump are symptoms and a warning signal. And to watch his supporters act with the mentality of brown shirts is alarming. As long as the US Constitution stays intact as it is now all this will pass. As soon as the Constitution fails to protect us from our president and his base? Lets just say things will change...
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That part about the Constitution is interesting.

It's pretty obvious that the Constitution was used as toilet paper by the member of the DOJ, FBI and NSA in the most recent Presidential campaign.

I, too, am hoping that the rule of law returns to our country. There are those on all points of the political spectrum who love to abuse our laws for their own gain.

While the Democrat Party controlled and directed the actions of the Federal law enforcement community, those members seem to have acted with a bit of creativity unrelated to impartiality and VERY related to directing political outcomes to their preferred goals.

The previous President abused his authority and the Constitution. The current President seems to be demanding that the rule of law be restored and the political opposition party is fighting every step of the process.

The current president is reducing the un-legislated regulatory control of the Federal Government, reducing the level of taxation and instructing that legislated law be enforced. This is Constitutionality. The previous President did the opposite.

You argument is not only weak, it is empty.
 
code1211 said:
That part about the Constitution is interesting.

It's pretty obvious that the Constitution was used as toilet paper by the member of the DOJ, FBI and NSA in the most recent Presidential campaign.

I, too, am hoping that the rule of law returns to our country. There are those on all points of the political spectrum who love to abuse our laws for their own gain.

While the Democrat Party controlled and directed the actions of the Federal law enforcement community, those members seem to have acted with a bit of creativity unrelated to impartiality and VERY related to directing political outcomes to their preferred goals.

The previous President abused his authority and the Constitution. The current President seems to be demanding that the rule of law be restored and the political opposition party is fighting every step of the process.

The current president is reducing the un-legislated regulatory control of the Federal Government, reducing the level of taxation and instructing that legislated law be enforced. This is Constitutionality. The previous President did the opposite.

You argument is not only weak, it is empty.
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I never have been a Democrat and I never liked Obama, so going after them with whataboutisms isnt going to work with me. Im actually anti-political parties altogether. Every single thing wrong in our Republic today can all be traced to political parties and their corruption.

But the current president despite your ignorance is no stranger to Presidential directives. What Trump has been doing is getting rid of Obamas crappy directives and replacing it with his own crappy directives.
Cumulative number of Executive Orders signed by Donald Trump

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FreedomFromAll said:
I never have been a Democrat and I never liked Obama, so going after them with whataboutisms isnt going to work with me. Im actually anti-political parties altogether. Every single thing wrong in our Republic today can all be traced to political parties and their corruption.

But the current president despite your ignorance is no stranger to Presidential directives. What Trump has been doing is getting rid of Obamas crappy directives and replacing it with his own crappy directives.
Cumulative number of Executive Orders signed by Donald Trump

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Looks like he's been busy.

This could be the reason that the DJIA closed at record highs on Thursday and Friday this week. Many of the Executive orders from Trump are merely to UN-do the previous strangling orders of his predecessors.

The results are pretty obvious to all trying to make a living or run a business.

Is it my ignorance that has made the economy take off like a rocket since the specter of Obama was removed from the planning of the folks who make things happen?

The guy who ties the girl to the railroad tracks and the guy that unties the ropes are both working with ropes.

They are doing things that are diametrically opposed, though.

 
code1211 said:
Looks like he's been busy.

This could be the reason that the DJIA closed at record highs on Thursday and Friday this week. Many of the Executive orders from Trump are merely to UN-do the previous strangling orders of his predecessors.

The results are pretty obvious to all trying to make a living or run a business.

Is it my ignorance that has made the economy take off like a rocket since the specter of Obama was removed from the planning of the folks who make things happen?

The guy who ties the girl to the railroad tracks and the guy that unties the ropes are both working with ropes.

They are doing things that are diametrically opposed, though.

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Using a cartoon graphic is fitting for your cartoonish outlook.
 
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