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Yea, Joe McCarthy. Great American hero !

Can ALWAYS count on James972 for an inaccurate, factually deficiant, and ridiculously idiotic premise for a thread, it's amazing we fall for the bait so often....

While we're at it can we institute a national "Lee Harvey Oswald day"? To celebrate a "great American" with an alternative opinion? Maybe a John Wilkes Booth day to soothe southern butthurt on that lil civil war thing?:2wave::roll::censored:2usflag:
 
markjs said:
Can ALWAYS count on James972 for an inaccurate, factually deficiant, and ridiculously idiotic premise for a thread, it's amazing we fall for the bait so often....

While we're at it can we institute a national "Lee Harvey Oswald day"? To celebrate a "great American" with an alternative opinion? Maybe a John Wilkes Booth day to soothe southern butthurt on that lil civil war thing?:2wave::roll::censored:2usflag:
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Jefferson Davis day!
 
markjs said:
Can ALWAYS count on James972 for an inaccurate, factually deficiant, and ridiculously idiotic premise for a thread, it's amazing we fall for the bait so often....

While we're at it can we institute a national "Lee Harvey Oswald day"? To celebrate a "great American" with an alternative opinion? Maybe a John Wilkes Booth day to soothe southern butthurt on that lil civil war thing?:2wave::roll::censored:2usflag:
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Notice the liberal forgot to point out a reason to think Joe McCarthy is not a hero. It's a manifestation of liberal brainwashing, so a liberal will merely repeat what he is expected to repeat and never bother asking whether it makes sense. So sad!
 
Nickyjo said:
Explained this in another post, but here is the deal as I understand it. Many had joined the party during the depression, not unusual given how capitalism seemed to be falling apart. Became disillusioned and quit. They took the 5th years later to save their careers, tho some were known as "Fifth Amendment Communists." Second reason: my impression is that if they came lean and said they had been communists, they would enforced to name others, betray their friends.

"The Front", a Woody Allen movie, describes the atmosphere well, as I remember it. People worked in Hollywood as writers, submitting scripts under someone else's name. Logjam broken a bit by Kirk Douglas, whose movie Spartacus openly credited Dalton Trumbo, a blacklisted writer.
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so the lesson is don't be a traitor to your country by being a libcommie. Or, grow a brain and learn to understand how freedom works!!
 
ElChupacabra said:
If he was a "hero" why did his political career collapse?
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he was a hero to intellectuals who realized the danger libcommies present to freedom on earth. America is the last best for freedom and libcommies are the biggest enemy of freedom.
 
James972 said:
so the lesson is don't be a traitor to your country by being a libcommie. Or, grow a brain and learn to understand how freedom works!!
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Unless a person is an agent of a foreign power, how does membership in the communist party mean you are a traitor? And, of course, how come you get to make that call? And so long as you are name-calling, liberals are not communists unless you will admit that conservatives are fascists.

If Trump and company did what they did in 2016 in the 1930s, no doubt McCarthy and HUAC would have been after them in the 1950s, unless of course they had discovered how freedom works.
 
James972 said:
he was a hero to intellectuals who realized the danger libcommies present to freedom on earth. America is the last best for freedom and libcommies are the biggest enemy of freedom.
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Oddly enough his paranoia resulted in nothing but a failed effort and the end of his political career.

"Libcommies"
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ElChupacabra said:
Oddly enough his paranoia resulted in nothing but a failed effort and the end of his political career.

"Libcommies"
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It resulted in an awareness that communists were looking among the liberals for spies to help Stalin promote communism which at the time was slowly killing 60 million human souls. Do you understand?
 
Nickyjo said:
Unless a person is an agent of a foreign power, how does membership in the communist party mean you are a traitor?
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Alger Hiss and many other liberals were agents for the USSR while 60 million were being killed there.
 
Nickyjo said:
And so long as you are name-calling, liberals are not communists unless you will admit that conservatives are fascists.
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you have learned 34 times now that conservatives are for very limited govt and fascists for very unlimited govt. And, you have learned 34 times that liberals, communists, and fascists are all for ever growing govt so all essentially the same and all opposed to the limited govt principle of America. Shall we go for 35??
 
Grand Mal said:
Why stop at Joe McCarthy? What about the hero who had the guts to actually invade Stalin's Soviet Union to try to stop his rule of depravity? What about the nation that shed the blood of their best and bravest in the Russian snow and sacrificed their hopes of winning WW2 for the sake of opposing communist dictatorship with all they had? Isn't that leader and that nation worthy of the title "Hero"?
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That whooshing sound was this post going right over the OP author's head...
 
ashurbanipal said:
That whooshing sound was this post going right over the OP author's head...
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Why not explain this post if you dare? How will a liberal learn if he is afraid to try?
 
Grand Mal said:
Why stop at Joe McCarthy? What about the hero who had the guts to actually invade Stalin's Soviet Union to try to stop his rule of depravity? What about the nation that shed the blood of their best and bravest in the Russian snow and sacrificed their hopes of winning WW2 for the sake of opposing communist dictatorship with all they had? Isn't that leader and that nation worthy of the title "Hero"?
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why hero?? Stalin and Hitler were both libsocialist statists and both got about 60 million killed?
 
James972 said:
why hero?? Stalin and Hitler were both libsocialist statists and both got about 60 million killed?
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Anyone who thinks either Stalin or Hitler was liberal is either seriously deluded or functionally illiterate.
Could be both, come to think.
 
Grand Mal said:
Anyone who thinks either Stalin or Hitler was liberal is either seriously deluded or functionally illiterate.
Could be both, come to think.
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I believe the charge is left wing/socialist/authoritarian on economics.
 
Grand Mal said:
Anyone who thinks either Stalin or Hitler was liberal is either seriously deluded or functionally illiterate.
Could be both, come to think.
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Stalin and HItler were both libsocialist statists as are Bernie Sanders and to a slightly lessor extent Hillary Clinton. Our founders were 100% opposed to statism and for freedom.

Imagining a significant difference between the statism of Sanders Hitler Stalin Mussolini FDR Obama etc is exactly what our founders did not do. They made all forms of statism illegal here regardless of sweet and caring their leaders seem to be in the beginning. Sorry to rock your world!!

How can America survive if liberals don't yield to reason?
 
ecofarm said:
I believe the charge is left wing/socialist/authoritarian on economics.
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None of which is liberal, in any way, shape or form.
Okay, left wing but there's no 'liberal' in socialism or authoritarianism. As for Stalin and Hitler, you couldn't find any historical figures who better exemplify the opposite of 'liberal' than those two.
 
James972 said:
Stalin and HItler were both libsocialist statists as are Bernie Sanders and to a slightly lessor extent Hillary Clinton. Our founders were 100% opposed to statism and for freedom.

Imagining a significant difference between the statism of Sanders Hitler Stalin Mussolini FDR Obama etc is exactly what our founders did not do. They made all forms of statism illegal here regardless of sweet and caring their leaders seem to be in the beginning. Sorry to rock your world!!

How can America survive if liberals don't yield to reason?
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'AmericanSpartan'? Is that you?
 
Grand Mal said:
None of which is liberal, in any way, shape or form.
Okay, left wing but there's no 'liberal' in socialism or authoritarianism. As for Stalin and Hitler, you couldn't find any historical figures who better exemplify the opposite of 'liberal' than those two.
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I agree that left wing is an economic term, but not everyone does. Some take "liberal economics" in US parlance, that is to mean socialist/authoritarian.

When someone claims Hitler or Stalin were "liberal" or "left wing", they mean in the sense of the government controlling economics.
 
ecofarm said:
I believe the charge is left wing/socialist/authoritarian on economics.
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Yes, Hitler Stalin Sanders all wanted govt control of economy but Sanders is different. he wants to use that control for the good of the people because he is a dear sweet well intentioned man who knows better than Hitler and Stalin and Chavez/Maduro!
 
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James972 said:
Yes, Hitler Stalin Sanders all wanted govt control of economy but Sanders is different. he wants to use that control for the good of the people because he is a dear sweet well intentioned man!
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All authoritarian positions (including the left on economics and conservatives on social issues) are founded in 'greater good'.

In the US two party system, we've split our authoritarian ideology. One can have it on economics or social issues but not both.
 
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ecofarm said:
When someone claims Hitler or Stalin were "liberal" or "left wing", they mean in the sense of the government controlling economics.
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not really marx was an economic determinist . He beleived once you had the economy by the throat you had the people by the throat.
 
Grand Mal said:
Okay, left wing but there's no 'liberal' in socialism
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Hillary was a liberal and Sanders was a socialist. in the end they endorsed each other because they had identical position just differing on how fast to
get there!!
 
James972 said:
not really marx was an economic determinist . He beleived once you had the economy by the throat you had the people by the throat.
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In his time, many things were true that are not today. He failed to foresee natural, human, civil, labor and environmental rights becoming a reality. This failing is fatal for his view.
 
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