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If liberals are now out of the closet socialists do they really belong in America given that America

ElChupacabra said:
I have learned that you know little about either liberalism, socialism,
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if so present your reasoning or admit as a typical liberal it didn't even occur to you that a reason is necessary.
 
ElChupacabra said:
If you had an intelligent response in any of your threads I'd gladly engage,.
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why not show just one example where you engaged anyone with intelligent defense of liberalism?? ever see a conservative who has to run away?? What does that teach you?
 
James972 said:
if so present your reasoning or admit as a typical liberal it didn't even occur to you that a reason is necessary.
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:lamo

Well for starters, define what a "typical liberal" means to you. Are you a "typical conservative"? "typical authoritarian"? I love people who think of other groups as monoliths.
 
James972 said:
libsocialism is what you get when Bernie Sanders (a socialist) and Hillary Clinton(a liberal) easily endorse each other because their position are so similar. Now do you understand?
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Thank you for demonstrating the accuracy of my assessment.
 
James972 said:
why not show just one example where you engaged anyone with intelligent defense of liberalism?? ever see a conservative who has to run away?? What does that teach you?
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That you don't run away but instead stay and double down on incongruent points?
 
ElChupacabra said:
I don't recall a rebuttal that didn't include some quote attributed to Jefferson or Madison.
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if the liberal feels Jefferson and Madison where wrong I'm sure the liberal can tell us why? We'll be waiting for liberals latest evasion!!
 
ElChupacabra said:
That you don't run away but instead stay and double down on incongruent points?
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why so afraid then to prevent a significant example of a point on which conservatives/libertarians should not double down?
 
James972 said:
why so afraid then to prevent a significant example of a point on which conservatives/libertarians should not double down?
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I don't know if it's fear exactly; but maybe you're right. Maybe it's the fear of seeing you provide a non response.
 
ElChupacabra said:
I don't know if it's fear exactly; but maybe you're right. Maybe it's the fear of seeing you provide a non response.
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dear, conservatism is 2000 years old. you can respond to the greatest intellectuals of the ages if you prefer. Do you understand how utterly illiterate your approach is??
 
James972 said:
If liberals are now out of the closet socialists do they really belong in America given that America is about freedom?


1)Norman Thomas ( socialist presidential candidate)
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.
2)Bernie Sanders:
"You don’t necessarily need a choice of 23 underarm spray deodorants when children are hungry in this country," Sanders told John Harwood
In a 1918 speech in Canton, Ohio, Debs reaffirmed his solidarity with Lenin and Trotsky, despite clear evidence of their violent plunder and treachery.

Sanders still hangs a portrait of Debs on the wall in his Senate office.

In the early ’70s, Sanders helped found the Liberty Union Party, which called for the nationalization of all US banks and the public takeover of all private utility companies

3) Alexandria Cortez:

"Capitalism has not always existed in the world, and it will not always exist in the world."

4)Cynthia Nixon:

During an interview with The Dig podcast, Nixon said she disagreed with House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s negative response to a question about whether Ocasio-Cortez’s surprise primary victory over Rep. Joe Crowley meant socialism was ascendant in the Democratic Party.

“I think Nancy Pelosi is dead wrong, I think that is exactly what is happening,” Nixon said.



6)Rather than shy away from being called a socialist, a word conservatives have long wielded as a slur, candidates like Mr. Bynum are embracing the label. He is among dozens of D.S.A. members running in this fall’s midterms for offices across the country at nearly every level. In Hawaii, Kaniela Ing, a state representative, is running for Congress. Gayle McLaughlin, a former mayor of Richmond, Calif., is running to be the state’s lieutenant governor. In Tennessee, Dennis Prater, an adjunct professor at East Tennessee State University, is running to be a county commissioner.
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I welcome the country having an honest debate about it

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James972 said:
dear, conservatism is 2000 years old. you can respond to the greatest intellectuals of the ages if you prefer. Do you understand how utterly illiterate your approach is??
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Well then you'll have no problem expounding on this further since the "conservatism" most people refer to is a political ideology nowhere near as old. If you're referring to social conservatism that's one thing, but the political variety is something else. I do still get a kick out of the irony of the questions you use at the end of your posts; they often make me chuckle.

1-1=0
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Breaking: liberals are not out of the closet socialists.

Marxists like you never can seem to get the story straight.

And apparently having a 5th point proved too difficult.
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James is a fascist not a marxist
 
ElChupacabra said:
:lamo

Well for starters, define what a "typical liberal" means to you. Are you a "typical conservative"? "typical authoritarian"? I love people who think of other groups as monoliths.
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Typical liberal is anyone who disagrees with him, typical conservative is anyone who agrees with him, typical authoritarian is the same as typical liberal.
 
James972 said:
dear, conservatism is 2000 years old. you can respond to the greatest intellectuals of the ages if you prefer. Do you understand how utterly illiterate your approach is??
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And Jesus was the first socialist. Why don’t you respond to him?

”But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?”
Luke 3:11 ESV

”Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.”
Ephesians 4:28 E

“And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.””
Acts 5:1-42

“Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor.”
Zechariah 11:12

“Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.”
Philippians 2:1-30

“Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy.”
Proverbs 28:8
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James972 said:
dear, conservatism is 2000 years old. you can respond to the greatest intellectuals of the ages if you prefer. Do you understand how utterly illiterate your approach is??
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Who would ‘dear’ be, James972, with your condescending demeanor? You calling out a poster for an ‘illiterate approach’ speaks for today’s bastardized GOPutins.

You are not a ‘Conservative’, in any Way, Shape, or Form. You could never possibly understand the ‘Progressive Conservatism’ of our Founding Forefathers.
 
Linc said:
You are not a ‘Conservative’, in any Way, Shape, or Form.
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Does the liberal have a reason to think that? Does the liberal even know a reason is necessary?
 
Linc said:
You could never possibly understand the ‘Progressive Conservatism’ of our Founding Forefathers.
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what's to understand? They studied all of human history and concluded that big liberal progressive central govt had been the source of evil in human history and, accordingly, they created our Constitution to strictly limit central govt to a few enumerated powers. Liberals hate this so they spied for Stalin and voted for Obama/Sanders. Make sense now?
 
ataraxia said:
And Jesus was the first socialist. Why don’t you respond to him?
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We do in spades by supporting capitalism. China just switched to it and instantly eliminated 40%
of the entire planets poverty. How is that for Christian? The liberal has been taught this 43 times now. Must we go for 44?
 
ElChupacabra said:
Well then you'll have no problem expounding on this further since the "conservatism" most people refer to is a political ideology nowhere near as old.
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Why Aristotle was the first conservative - The Rebel
https://www.therebel.media/why_aristotle_was_the_first_conservative‎
Jan 11, 2016 ... (That is: beliefs they disagree with.) So what did the first conservative, Aristotle, think? Aristotle was taught by Plato, but like many students since, he turned from the Dark Side. Unlike liberals, conservatives do not believe that human nature is fundamentally good.


Aristotle: Father of political conservatism - WND.com
https://www.wnd.com/2010/08/191121/‎
Aug 14, 2010 ... Aristotle Like Aristotle, conservatives generally accept the world as it is; ... “ Politics,” Wiker lists two primary reasons: First, Aristotle understood
 
James972 said:
what's to understand? They studied all of human history and concluded that big liberal progressive central govt had been the source of evil in human history and, accordingly, they created our Constitution to strictly limit central govt to a few enumerated powers. Liberals hate this so they spied for Stalin and voted for Obama/Sanders. Make sense now?
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He's right. You demonstrate you have no clue as to their motivation.
 
Manc Skipper said:
He's right. You demonstrate you have no clue as to their motivation.
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Foundering conservatives created a very very limited govt because they were motivated by freedom and by the millions of dead bodies liberalism had piled up over the centuries. Do you understand now.
 
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