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Democrats Don't want Pelosi, Avenatti, or Cortez

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The loudest voices in the room seem to be disenfranchising the Democrats. So who do they want??? You can't tell me you all feel the burn still do ya? Plus how would Bernie be any different than Cortez? They are sharing endorsements.
 
I am a Progressive, you might say I am a Bernie guy.

No idea what you're trying to say there..
 
The loudest voices in the room seem to be disenfranchising the Democrats. So who do they want??? You can't tell me you all feel the burn still do ya? Plus how would Bernie be any different than Cortez? They are sharing endorsements.

It seems exactly ONE social democrat holds office, Sanders, and ONE more is running for office, Cortez. They have big followings, but they are not the democratic party. They do energize the base.

I think Pelosi did a great job as Speaker, but she has been used as a lightning rod for discontent and stereotype, and should step down as party leader...some time when she can make a little positive production about it.

Avenatti? Let's see how many more aces he has up his sleeve.
 
Not for the first time either....Let's go with just "who do they want":


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/democrats-primaries-candidates-demographics/

Ahh, Dems are a diverse bunch.

The fight the Repubs had with the Tea Party is just starting with the Dems, and it will take longer (I think). There is both a generational shift going on, and a demographic shift. The corporate wing will do everything they can to hold onto power, but I am hoping the kids will show them the door.

Eventually.
 
Ahh, Dems are a diverse bunch.

The fight the Repubs had with the Tea Party is just starting with the Dems, and it will take longer (I think). There is both a generational shift going on, and a demographic shift. The corporate wing will do everything they can to hold onto power, but I am hoping the kids will show them the door.

Eventually.

That's what the 60's hippies were hoping for, too.
 
Ahh, Dems are a diverse bunch.

The fight the Repubs had with the Tea Party is just starting with the Dems, and it will take longer (I think). There is both a generational shift going on, and a demographic shift. The corporate wing will do everything they can to hold onto power, but I am hoping the kids will show them the door.

Eventually.

Both parties are in massive transition....it is not clear when or where this stabilizes.
 
The loudest voices in the room seem to be disenfranchising the Democrats. So who do they want??? You can't tell me you all feel the burn still do ya? Plus how would Bernie be any different than Cortez? They are sharing endorsements.

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I assure you nobody is being disenfranchised by "the loudest voices in the room."
 
That's what the 60's hippies were hoping for, too.

The Dem party was actually progressive in the 60s.

Moreover, I'm not sure why you're such a cheerleader for the establishment wing; which policies do you agree with them on specifically that are in contest/at odds with the FDR faction? Or is it more that you just despise the latter's ideas?


The loudest voices in the room seem to be disenfranchising the Democrats. So who do they want??? You can't tell me you all feel the burn still do ya? Plus how would Bernie be any different than Cortez? They are sharing endorsements.

We do feel the Bern; now more than ever. Bernie's movement has only gotten stronger, and continues to build momentum. Despite immense obstacles and the establishment wing trying to stifle and suppress it at every opportunity, it has built immense momentum and has nonetheless increased its power and influence.


It seems exactly ONE social democrat holds office, Sanders, and ONE more is running for office, Cortez. They have big followings, but they are not the democratic party. They do energize the base.

I think Pelosi did a great job as Speaker, but she has been used as a lightning rod for discontent and stereotype, and should step down as party leader...some time when she can make a little positive production about it.

Avenatti? Let's see how many more aces he has up his sleeve.

Pelosi was and is the definition of a consummate corporate Dem, who among and by the standard of her party consistently leans right and whose biggest claim to fame is being a great fundraiser; she's deeply unpopular for good reason.

Rashida Tlaib, a Bernie candidate, won in a crowded primary and is running for the House unopposed, as did James Thompson, Jamie Schoolcraft, Matt Morgan and Robert Davidson, all endorsed by Cortez. On August 9th, the progressive Dem groups Our Revolution won most of their races, and Justice Democrats (which are concretely and unambiguously pro-Bernie/AOC policy) won 6 on Tuesday alone, but based on the vitriolic and marginalizing stories published at the time by most mainstream press, you can be forgiven for not knowing.

The FDR/Bernie take over is well in progress, and it's thus far happening faster than the corporate/third way subsumption that occurred from the mid 70s to the late 90s; remember, this movement is only 2 years old at this point.
 
The Dem party was actually progressive in the 60s.

Moreover, I'm not sure why you're such a cheerleader for the establishment wing; which policies do you agree with them on specifically that are in contest/at odds with the FDR faction? Or is it more that you just despise the latter's ideas?

We do feel the Bern; now more than ever. Bernie's movement has only gotten stronger, and continues to build momentum. Despite immense obstacles and the establishment wing trying to stifle and suppress it at every opportunity, it has built immense momentum and has nonetheless increased its power and influence.

Pelosi was and is the definition of a consummate corporate Dem, who among and by the standard of her party consistently leans right and whose biggest claim to fame is being a great fundraiser; she's deeply unpopular for good reason.

Rashida Tlaib, a Bernie candidate, won in a crowded primary and is running for the House unopposed, as did James Thompson, Jamie Schoolcraft, Matt Morgan and Robert Davidson, all endorsed by Cortez. On August 9th, the progressive Dem groups Our Revolution won most of their races, and Justice Democrats (which are concretely and unambiguously pro-Bernie/AOC policy) won 6 on Tuesday alone, but based on the vitriolic and marginalizing stories published at the time by most mainstream press, you can be forgiven for not knowing.

The FDR/Bernie take over is well in progress, and it's thus far happening faster than the corporate/third way subsumption that occurred from the mid 70s to the late 90s; remember, this movement is only 2 years old at this point.

I have zero problem with progressive candidates and hope they all do well in their races. My point was as far as I am aware Sanders and Cortez are the only candidates calling themselves Social Democrats....yet the right wing media would claim that the party has been taken over by social democrats. I have serious problems with losing elections to wackos like Trump. So I'd like to see all the democrats get together on common issues, and run a seriously non fractured campaign. Sad as it may be, fundraising is a very important aspect of politics, and Pelosi is not to be dismissed simply because she is good at it. I think Pelosi is much more unpopular with the right than the middle, but her name raised a big OHHNOO so she needs to pass the baton. Be a team player. Everyone. Pragmatic to a fault is what the election of Trump has taught me.
 
I have zero problem with progressive candidates and hope they all do well in their races. My point was as far as I am aware Sanders and Cortez are the only candidates calling themselves Social Democrats....yet the right wing media would claim that the party has been taken over by social democrats. I have serious problems with losing elections to wackos like Trump. So I'd like to see all the democrats get together on common issues, and run a seriously non fractured campaign. Sad as it may be, fundraising is a very important aspect of politics, and Pelosi is not to be dismissed simply because she is good at it. I think Pelosi is much more unpopular with the right than the middle, but her name raised a big OHHNOO so she needs to pass the baton. Be a team player. Everyone. Pragmatic to a fault is what the election of Trump has taught me.

Pelosi is even unpopular with the left; she has fairly healthy (albeit decaying) approval ratings among those who identify as Democrats specifically (with a fairly broad swath of Dems disliking her), but everyone else pretty much despises her to the core.

And it's not simply the fundraising (and let's keep it real, if you've got charisma and an appealing, clearly communicated agenda, you don't have to rely on wealthy megadonors as Bernie and Cortez have proven) that people dislike about Pelosi so much as her insincerity, and the fact that most of the time where there's a conflict between the economic interests of her donors and policy, her donors win. Moreover, she's always leading from behind, never taking any initiative on progressive stances at best, and actively resisting them at worst. Even on relatively safe and extremely, unambiguously popular positions like marijuana legalization (which her own constituents are strongly in favour of), she has to be all but dragged onside with immense political pressure, kicking and screaming, nevermind bold ideas like Medicare for All.
 
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Pelosi is even unpopular with the left; she has fairly healthy (albeit decaying) approval rating among those who identify as Democrats specifically (with a fairly broad swath of Dems disliking her), but everyone else pretty much despises her to the core.

And it's not simply the fundraising (and let's keep it real, if you've got charisma and an appealing, clearly communicated agenda, you don't have to rely on wealthy megadonors as Bernie and Cortez have proven) that people dislike about Pelosi so much as her insincerity, and the fact that most of the time where there's a conflict between the economic interests of her donors and policy, her donors win. Moreover, she's always leading from behind, never taking any initiative on progressive stances at best, and actively resisting them at worst. Even on relatively safe and extremely, unambiguously popular positions like marijuana legalization (which her own constituents are strongly in favour of), she has to be all but dragged onside with immense political pressure, kicking and screaming, nevermind bold ideas like Medicare for All.

I think you might see that I agree with you....I just pointed out that Pelosi should step down, but try to get some traction out of it. Don't run her out of town. You're gonna lose some votes for no good reason. And there needs to be some serious thought about a likely successor.
 
Here is a comment from a Pelosi supporter ...



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Democrats, please do not distance yourselves from Nancy Pelosi. She is a wonderful person whose ideas & policies may be bad, but who should definitely be given a 4th chance. She is trying very hard & has every right to take down the Democrat Party if she has veered too far left!

2:30 PM - 10 Aug 2018



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I think you might see that I agree with you....I just pointed out that Pelosi should step down, but try to get some traction out of it. Don't run her out of town. You're gonna lose some votes for no good reason. And there needs to be some serious thought about a likely successor.

Well I'm all for having her step down gracefully, but I'm equally for, failing that, having her get primaried in the interim until her bottomless war chest, incumbency and name recognition aren't enough to save her anymore. No matter how she departs her position, it seems like it would only do good things for the appeal of the Democratic party; which votes would her departure cost us specifically?
 
Well I'm all for having her step down gracefully, but I'm equally for, failing that, having her get primaried in the interim until her bottomless war chest, incumbency and name recognition aren't enough to save her anymore. No matter how she departs her position, it seems like it would only do good things for the appeal of the Democratic party; which votes would her departure cost us specifically?

Just seems to me that you would have to find a formidable candidate to succeed here and to what end? What is the objective? Take over the party a la the 2010 Tea Party? Big tent is the way to go IMO, but maybe I'm not progressive enough in your opinion, and you believe I have no where else to turn. Interesting.
 
The loudest voices in the room seem to be disenfranchising the Democrats. So who do they want??? You can't tell me you all feel the burn still do ya? Plus how would Bernie be any different than Cortez? They are sharing endorsements.
Pelosi is fine. Actually, she's quite the whip.

The Stormy lawyer is interesting. I'm curious to see how far he can ride his wave.

Cortez is from NYC. Not my turf; so she is not exactly someone I'll be voting for anytime soon.
 
Just seems to me that you would have to find a formidable candidate to succeed here and to what end? What is the objective? Take over the party a la the 2010 Tea Party? Big tent is the way to go IMO, but maybe I'm not progressive enough in your opinion, and you believe I have no where else to turn. Interesting.

Well I don't think we have to worry about her incredibly progressive riding in terms of finding a replacement representative.

As for her position as Minority leader in the House, she's not exactly irreplaceable.

I'm thinking Keith Ellison would be a great successor as someone more diplomatic and capable of unifying the party who still has considerable leadership experience and captures the current thrust and zeitgeist of the Democrats; that is if he could be dissuaded from his aspirations of becoming Minnesota AG.
 
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The loudest voices in the room seem to be disenfranchising the Democrats. So who do they want??? You can't tell me you all feel the burn still do ya? Plus how would Bernie be any different than Cortez? They are sharing endorsements.

I don't think the Democrats know what they want.
Look at the Republicans, something like 85% want Trump's agenda for the country to go forward.
 
I don't think the Democrats know what they want.
Look at the Republicans, something like 85% want Trump's agenda for the country to go forward.

I would guess that 100% of Democrats don't want Trump. That's a good start. ;)
 
What is the objective? Take over the party a la the 2010 Tea Party? Big tent is the way to go IMO, but maybe I'm not progressive enough in your opinion, and you believe I have no where else to turn. Interesting.

Oh, and I'd forgot to address this.

No, we don't intend to 'take it over' as the third way/New Dems did back in the 80s and 90s, where the Clintons and their allies ruthlessly cast down and marginalized FDR democrats for decades; rather, we intend to take it back. Certainly there will be a big tent and all are welcome, but we will be in the driver's seat on policy just as the New Dems were then and until very recently, not the other way around.
 
Here is a comment from a Pelosi supporter ...



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Democrats, please do not distance yourselves from Nancy Pelosi. She is a wonderful person whose ideas & policies may be bad, but who should definitely be given a 4th chance. She is trying very hard & has every right to take down the Democrat Party if she has veered too far left!

2:30 PM - 10 Aug 2018



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Hmm. I'm reading that Tweet as Trump just trolling Democrats. As with most any trolling, I don't see how its going to effect anything of significance.
 

I rather doubt it. So far she's successfully only engaged in friendly interview venues, and she's already failing there all on her own.

Just recently she falsely maligned someone offering a legitimate invitation to either a free form discussion or a more formal debate as a 'catcall' :confused:

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Just like catcalling, I don’t owe a response to unsolicited requests from men with bad intentions.And also like catcalling, for some reason they feel entitled to one.​

https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1027729430137827328

Don't like someone or their opinions / positions, call them names, but no substantiative or more thoughtful response.
Do not engage in debate or discussion with those not of the left.
Typical of the left these days.
 
The old Democratic guard needs to step aside, but that doesn't appear to be happening and instead they might be doubling down and hoping anti-Trump sentiment will be enough to carry them over. I don't share their optimism.
 
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