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Trump's* Little Lies Versus Democrats' Huge Lies:

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Liberals can be upset but Trump's lies are not even in league with Democratic lies: they say they are for the working guy while shipping his jobs to China, they say they are for a living Constitution when really they mean a communist constitution. They say they want just one more welfare entitlement, they say they are patriotic when really they hate the basic principle of America, they say they are for the working guy and then invite 30 million illegals in to take their jobs. Trump's little lies are nothing compared to that!
 
Liberals can be upset but Trump's lies are not even in league with Democratic lies: they say they are for the working guy while shipping his jobs to China, they say they are for a living Constitution when really they mean a communist constitution. They say they want just one more welfare entitlement, they say they are patriotic when really they hate the basic principle of America, they say they are for the working guy and then invite 30 million illegals in to take their jobs. Trump's little lies are nothing compared to that!

How would you know? Trump's average is up to 12-15 a day now.
 
Liberals can be upset but Trump's lies are not even in league with Democratic lies: they say they are for the working guy while shipping his jobs to China, they say they are for a living Constitution when really they mean a communist constitution. They say they want just one more welfare entitlement, they say they are patriotic when really they hate the basic principle of America, they say they are for the working guy and then invite 30 million illegals in to take their jobs. Trump's little lies are nothing compared to that!

:lamo

I'd ask you to define what you mean, but the lesson I have learned is you won't do that. 1+1=2....but maybe you might surprise us!


Oh, and the government doesn't ship jobs anywhere unless it's jobs they create directly. Corporations choose where those jobs go, and since many don't want to pay high salaries and benefits they choose countries that have low labor rates and few employee protections. If you really want to kick up a fuss about outsourced labor, vote with your pocket and don't support companies that out source jobs. The company I worked has been continually laying people off and outsourcing tech jobs to Eastern European countries where they also have offices, so it's not just manufacturing jobs that continue to be affected by this. You're also incorrect about illegals taking jobs from American citizens since those are generally jobs they wouldn't take because the wages are really low and don't provide benefits.
 
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Oh, and the government doesn't ship jobs anywhere unless it's jobs they create directly.

sure it does, liberal govt creates and signs trade deals with eg China and then millions of jobs go there. Do you understand?
 
Liberals can be upset but Trump's lies are not even in league with Democratic lies: they say they are for the working guy while shipping his jobs to China, they say they are for a living Constitution when really they mean a communist constitution. They say they want just one more welfare entitlement, they say they are patriotic when really they hate the basic principle of America, they say they are for the working guy and then invite 30 million illegals in to take their jobs. Trump's little lies are nothing compared to that!

Words like “self-confidence,” “self-reliance,” “initiative,” “enterprise,” “optimism,” etc., play little role in the liberal and leftist vocabulary. The leftist is anti-individualistic, pro-collectivist. He wants society to solve everyone’s problems for them, satisfy everyone’s needs for them, take care of them. He is not the sort of person who has an inner sense of confidence in his ability to solve his own problems and satisfy his own needs. The leftist is antagonistic to the concept of competition because, deep inside, he feels like a loser.
 
: Corporations choose where those jobs go, and since many don't want to pay high salaries and benefits they choose countries that have low labor rates and few employee protections.

100% wrong of course. Corporations don't choose, they are forced by liberal govt and customers to go offshore to avoid bankruptcy. Isn't learning fun? Your Marxist puppet masters taught you to be down on corporations but now yo know better. Care to thank me?
 
:lIf you really want to kick up a fuss about outsourced labor, vote with your pocket and don't support companies that out source jobs.

you know better now right?
 
: You're also incorrect about illegals taking jobs from American citizens since those are generally jobs they wouldn't take because the wages are really low and don't provide benefits.

end all the liberal welfare programs, kick the illegals out, and Americans would take those then high paying jobs rather than starve
 
Words like “self-confidence,” “self-reliance,” “initiative,” “enterprise,” “optimism,” etc., play little role in the liberal and leftist vocabulary. The leftist is anti-individualistic, pro-collectivist. He wants society to solve everyone’s problems for them, satisfy everyone’s needs for them, take care of them. He is not the sort of person who has an inner sense of confidence in his ability to solve his own problems and satisfy his own needs. The leftist is antagonistic to the concept of competition because, deep inside, he feels like a loser.

very true, the liberal feels like a loser and is therefore looking for the safety net rather than the freedom that our founders were looking for. They want the rich to feel guilty for not sharing their ill gotten gains with everyone!
 
very true, the liberal feels like a loser and is therefore looking for the safety net rather than the freedom that our founders were looking for. They want the rich to feel guilty for not sharing their ill gotten gains with everyone!

Modern leftist philosophers tend to dismiss reason, science, objective reality and to insist that everything is culturally relative.
It's true that one can ask serious questions about the foundations of scientific knowledge and about how, if at all, the concept of objective reality can be defined.
But it is obvious that modern leftist philosophers are not simply cool-headed logicians systematically analyzing the foundations of knowledge.
They are deeply involved emotionally in their attack on truth and reality.

They attack these concepts because of their own psychological needs.
For one thing, their attack is an outlet for hostility, and, to the extent that it is successful, it satisfies the drive for power.
More importantly, the leftist hates science and rationality because they classify certain beliefs as true (i.e., successful, superior) and other beliefs as false (i.e., failed, inferior).
The leftist’s feelings of inferiority run so deep that he cannot tolerate any classification of some things as successful or superior and other things as failed or inferior.
This also underlies the rejection by many leftists of the concept of mental illness and of the utility of IQ tests.
Leftists are antagonistic to genetic explanations of human abilities or behavior because such explanations tend to make some persons appear superior or inferior to others. Leftists prefer to give society the credit or blame for an individual’s ability or lack of it.
Thus if a person is “inferior” it is not his fault, but society’s, because he has not been brought up properly.
 
Thus if a person is “inferior” it is not his fault, but society’s, because he has not been brought up properly.

yes the liberal is actually anti science and anti evolution. Survival of the weakest is actually their motive and thus so is weakening the human genetic genome to create more and more problems.
 
Quoting James...

" they say they are patriotic when really they hate the basic principle of America, "

Right on the money James !
I singled this line because this is how the liberal/Demos run their campaigns.
Breaking down the American spirit.
Destroying the economy.
Abusing welfare.
Promoting obamascare.
Painfully accepting same sex marriages.
Causing minorities to rise up and become BLM shenanigans.
Attacking the rights to celebrate our religion and worships. The list can go on forever. Yet they can't see the lies they tell because their noses are too long.

Excellent post James...spot on !
 
Quoting James...

" they say they are patriotic when really they hate the basic principle of America, "

Right on the money James !
I singled this line because this is how the liberal/Demos run their campaigns.
Breaking down the American spirit.
Destroying the economy.
Abusing welfare.
Promoting obamascare.
Painfully accepting same sex marriages.
Causing minorities to rise up and become BLM shenanigans.
Attacking the rights to celebrate our religion and worships. The list can go on forever. Yet they can't see the lies they tell because their noses are too long.

Excellent post James...spot on !

The leftist is oriented toward large-scale collectivism.
He emphasizes the duty of the individual to serve society and the duty of society to take care of the individual.
He has a negative attitude toward individualism. He often takes a moralistic tone.
He tends to be for gun control, for sex education and other psychologically “enlightened” educational methods, for social planning, for affirmative action, for multiculturalism. He tends to identify with victims.

He tends to be against competition and against violence, but he often finds excuses for those leftists who do commit violence.
He is fond of using the common catch- phrases of the left, like “racism,” “sexism,” “homophobia,” “capitalism,” “imperialism,” “neocolonialism,” “genocide,” “social change,” “social justice,” “social responsibility.”

Maybe the best diagnostic trait of the leftist is his tendency to sympathize with the following movements: feminism, gay rights, ethnic rights, disability rights, animal rights, political correctness. Anyone who strongly sympathizes with ALL of these movements is almost certainly a leftist.

The more dangerous leftists, that is, those who are most power-hungry, are often characterized by arrogance or by a dogmatic approach to ideology. However, the most dangerous leftists of all may be certain oversocialized types who avoid irritating displays of aggressiveness and refrain from advertising their leftism, but work quietly and unobtrusively to promote collectivist values, “enlightened” psychological techniques for socializing children, dependence of the individual on the system, and so forth.

These crypto- leftists (as we may call them) approximate certain bourgeois types as far as practical action is concerned, but differ from them in psychology, ideology and motivation.
The ordinary bourgeois tries to bring people under control of the system in order to protect his way of life, or he does so simply because his attitudes are conventional.
The crypto-leftist tries to bring people under control of the system because he is a True Believer in a collectivistic ideology. The crypto-leftist is differentiated from the average leftist of the oversocialized type by the fact that his rebellious impulse is weaker and he is more securely socialized.

He is differentiated from the ordinary well-socialized bourgeois by the fact that there is some deep lack within him that makes it necessary for him to devote himself to a cause and immerse himself in a collectivity. And maybe his (well-sublimated) drive for power is stronger than that of the average bourgeois.
 
end all the liberal welfare programs, kick the illegals out, and Americans would take those then high paying jobs rather than starve

1. What do you propose be done with the people in rust belt states who rely on those welfare programs?

2. How will you fund rounding up illegal migrants and a wall?

3. What's stopping Americans from taking those jobs now? If they wanted them wouldn't they be out there competing with migrant workers for those jobs right now?
 
you know better now right?

It's the power we all have to make changes to corporate behavior. This isn't about being "right", it's about your ability to remove your financial backing to corporate behavior you don't support. Are you mad that the local widget manufacturer shipped jobs to Vietnam? Rally laid off workers and others and protest the company publicly and boycott their products. Now with social media it's even easier to do.
 
100% wrong of course. Corporations don't choose, they are forced by liberal govt and customers to go offshore to avoid bankruptcy. Isn't learning fun? Your Marxist puppet masters taught you to be down on corporations but now yo know better. Care to thank me?

:lamo

Wow. So you're saying that corporations that have taken their jobs offshore did so because they were forced to by a liberal government and customers to avoid bankruptcy? No other factors?
 
sure it does, liberal govt creates and signs trade deals with eg China and then millions of jobs go there. Do you understand?

and have you thought for a second that corporations influence government trade deals for their benefit? Do you think they're just idle passengers waiting for the government to act in their interest? I sure hope you're not one of the naive folks who think it's the big bad government that forces corporations to shaft US workers.
 
No, you just had a reading comprehension failure by not seeing the bolded section of your quote that I was asking you to to define.
:doh

1-1=F
Liberals can be upset but Trump's lies are not even in league with Democratic lies: they say they are for the working guy while shipping his jobs to China, they say they are for a living Constitution when really they mean a communist constitution. They say they want just one more welfare entitlement, they say they are patriotic when really they hate the basic principle of America, they say they are for the working guy and then invite 30 million illegals in to take their jobs. Trump's little lies are nothing compared to that!
 
and have you thought for a second that corporations influence government trade deals for their benefit?

every group tries to influence trade deals but in this case stupid liberals signed the deald and now Donald is trying to correct them!
 
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Wow. So you're saying that corporations that have taken their jobs offshore did so because they were forced to by a liberal government and customers to avoid bankruptcy? No other factors?
no other major factors!!!
 
, it's about your ability to remove your financial backing to corporate behavior you don't support.

sub moronic as workers have different interests than consumers who want low prices.


In Econ. 101 you learn the Golden Rule:

The more with whom you trade the richer you get whether they are across the street or across the globe. The fewer with whom you trade the poorer you get. Imagine how poor you'd be if you had to trade with 1000 people only, or, imagine if there was no trade and you had to make everything yourself. This is Econ 101 class one day one
 
it's about your ability to remove your financial backing to corporate behavior you don't support.

so as a typical liberal you think its right to fight for higher prices and poverty for American citizens??
 
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