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Trump's* Little Lies Versus Democrats' Huge Lies:

Checkerboard Strangler said:
Maybe the best diagnostic trait of the leftist is his tendency to sympathize with the following movements: feminism, gay rights, ethnic rights, disability rights, animal rights, political correctness. Anyone who strongly sympathizes with ALL of these movements is almost certainly a leftist.
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Sometimes I wonder if my political worldview is all about being the exception to the rule. I vehemently support all of that, and... I'm a heartless fiscal conservative, pro gun and a hawk. For me it's all about liberty.
 
ecofarm said:
Sometimes I wonder if my political worldview is all about being the exception to the rule. I vehemently support all of that, and... I'm a heartless fiscal conservative, pro gun and a hawk. For me it's all about liberty.
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I don't know what "fiscal conservative" actually means in this day and age.
It used to mean a person who watches spending and campaigns against fraud, pork, inefficiency, waste, abuse and graft, someone who wants a government that is lean. I can get behind that.

For instance, why have separate VA and military hospital systems? Merge the two systems fer chrissakes.
I mean, sure...veterans should be encouraged to go to VA facilities but if they're closer to a military hospital, they should be able to get service there, and the two systems should be able to pool resources and share whatever is workable.
A soldier should not have to re-navigate an entirely new health care system when their service is finished. All their records are already there, and the VA should have instant access to them via share resources, and the transition from military health care to VA should be able to be as smooth and seamless as possible. Uncle Sam's taking care of them in both cases, so it should make sense.
That's just one example.
And I'm a liberal.

I own guns, and I'm a liberal.

What's a hawk? Is it a warmonger, or just someone who supports a strong defense.
Har! Attack this country and you get your ass kicked, I can get behind that, and I'm a liberal.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I don't know what "fiscal conservative" actually means in this day and age.
It used to mean a person who watches spending and campaigns against fraud, pork, inefficiency, waste, abuse and graft, someone who wants a government that is lean. I can get behind that.
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Plus tax and spending cuts.

What's a hawk? Is it a warmonger, or just someone who supports a strong defense.
Har! Attack this country and you get your ass kicked, I can get behind that, and I'm a liberal.
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My reasoning? See link in signature, Democratic Peace Theory. And user title, global liberation. And my avatar is kind of an allusion. And the songs in my signature, Freedom Fighter, Equal Rights and War (Rasta ain't no peacenik, don't let the colors and weed fool ya).

I don't consider myself a war monger, but I'd give my life for a free Iran.
 
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James972 said:
Liberals can be upset but Trump's lies are not even in league with Democratic lies.....
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Good god.

I have a novel idea. Maybe, just maybe, people should look at the issue directly in front of them and judge it accordingly, instead of looking for reasons to excuse it. Doing this would force a person to be true to themselves and their own personal values, rather that perverting said values in order to be loyal. The true sign on whether or not a person deserves your loyalty is to check if that person constantly asks you to lower yourself to a level where they can be accepted.
 
James972 said:
so as a typical liberal you think its right to fight for higher prices and poverty for American citizens??
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Am I a "typical liberal"? Hmm. Never gave it much thought. I'm not sure what you're referring to here because if you want cheap goods you're either going to have to ship production to countries that have low wages and overhead, or ask companies to dig into their profit margins to make it cheaper. Part of the problem with bringing manufacturing here is what it does to the price of products since there is higher overhead. What position are you taking on this? My comment addressed your power to not purchase products from companies whose behavior you don't support. If you don't like companies outsourcing jobs overseas, then don't consume products made abroad; that's voting with your wallet and the power you have as a consumer. If enough people do that, corporations will change their behavior because it impacts their bottomline.
 
James972 said:
sub moronic as workers have different interests than consumers who want low prices.


In Econ. 101 you learn the Golden Rule:

The more with whom you trade the richer you get whether they are across the street or across the globe. The fewer with whom you trade the poorer you get. Imagine how poor you'd be if you had to trade with 1000 people only, or, imagine if there was no trade and you had to make everything yourself. This is Econ 101 class one day one
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Yes, it aptly describes your nonsensical answer to my post. Insults are used by folks who have don't have actual retorts so they resort to name calling. Your premise is also false because workers and consumers do have interrelated interests because those workers are consumers. So tell me, how do you make products cheaper with a workforce that demands a higher salary than a foreign one?
 
James972 said:
every group tries to influence trade deals but in this case stupid liberals signed the deald and now Donald is trying to correct them!
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so which deals specifically, and what's your grievance with them?
 
James972 said:
Liberals can be upset but Trump's lies are not even in league with Democratic lies: they say they are for the working guy while shipping his jobs to China
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So, how do you reconcile that the company making merchandise for Trump does so in China? Why were Trump's other products made in China? Surely if he were that big of a supporter of the US worker, he could have had all his products made here. It would have cut into his profit margins, but it would have been the patriotic thing to do; so why didn't (and hasn't) do it?


they say they are for a living Constitution when really they mean a communist constitution.
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You'll need to do better than just repeat some silly one line description if you want to debate this point. Who is advocating for a "communist constitution"? You'll need to define or cite this alleged rewrite. If you can't, then you're just repeating some nonsense you heard elsewhere.

They say they want just one more welfare entitlement,
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So who do you feel should and shouldn't get it? You do realize that eliminating welfare entitlements will have a serious impact in red states and Trump's base correct? It's not just people who don't have jobs, but the working poor all over whose salaries don't cover basic living expenses. What is your solution for these folks?


they say they are patriotic when really they hate the basic principle of America,
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You'll have to be be more specific than that. What is the "basic principle of America" in your opinion? Remember, people will have different ideas and priorities; it's one of those things you have to deal with living in a society.

they say they are for the working guy and then invite 30 million illegals in to take their jobs. Trump's little lies are nothing compared to that!
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This runs into the same problem of outsourcing jobs; people want to pay less for labor. The immigrants come because there are industries that profit from it; are you advocating that these industries be penalized?
 
ElChupacabra said:
So, how do you reconcile that the company making merchandise for Trump does so in China? Why were Trump's other products made in China? Surely if he were that big of a supporter of the US worker, he could have had all his products made here. It would have cut into his profit margins, but it would have been the patriotic thing to do; so why didn't (and hasn't) do it?
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ultra trivial so who cares!!!!!!!!Trump is trying to save or bring back millions of American jobs
 
ElChupacabra said:
. What is your solution for these folks?
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end welfare, ship 30 million illegals home, and open up 30 million new high paying jobs for real Americans!!
 
ElChupacabra said:
. What is the "basic principle of America"
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freedom from big liberal central govt. It is entire point on Consntitution. You have learned this 24 times now. Must we go for 25??
 
James972 said:
ultra trivial so who cares!!!!!!!!Trump is trying to save or bring back millions of American jobs
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That's your rebuttal?
:lamo

Debating like that is fine if you're a elementary school kid, as an adult not so much.
 
ElChupacabra said:
This runs into the same problem of outsourcing jobs; people want to pay less for labor. The immigrants come because there are industries that profit from it; are you advocating that these industries be penalized?
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advocating that we have borders and policies the benefit American workers before foreign workers. Get it now?
 
James972 said:
end welfare, ship 30 million illegals home, and open up 30 million new high paying jobs for real Americans!!
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Can I get a hit?
 
James972 said:
Liberals can be upset but Trump's lies are not even in league with Democratic lies: they say they are for the working guy while shipping his jobs to China, they say they are for a living Constitution when really they mean a communist constitution. They say they want just one more welfare entitlement, they say they are patriotic when really they hate the basic principle of America, they say they are for the working guy and then invite 30 million illegals in to take their jobs. Trump's little lies are nothing compared to that!
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Dear, Tax Cut Economics are simply and capitally WorthLess, if they don't cover Spending.
 
James972 said:
end welfare, ship 30 million illegals home, and open up 30 million new high paying jobs for real Americans!!
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and unicorns for everyone! and....and...an American flag for everyone!!

:lamo

It sounds like you have no interest in delving into what your propositions mean in the real world, so yeah...rainbows and unicorns.
 
James972 said:
advocating that we have borders and policies the benefit American workers before foreign workers. Get it now?
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There are already laws in place that do that. Businesses in this country are not allowed to hire illegal immigrants, yet it continues. In some cases there's fraud on the part of the immigrants and others employers who look the other way. So are you saying you want tougher enforcement of US businesses that violate this law? You have to stop the demand if you hope to stop the supply. Do you think eliminating cheap labor is the only solution? How do you deal with the fact some work is just low wage work Americans are not interested in?
 
James972 said:
yes if you disagree say why? Does the liberal even know it is necessary to have a reason?
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I disagree because you are incorrect. They are Democratic Socialists, but not communists. If in your mind they're communists then that's your issue; you can think they're ancient Egyptians but it doesn't make you correct. I sure hope you're a kid, because if not....wow.
 
James972 said:
if you have any idea what that means why not tell us??
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Come, come now. I am not going to do the work for you. You presented your ideas of ending welfare etc., I challenged them so it's on you to explain why you think those are achievable goals and what the risks associated. You're not very good at this.
 
ElChupacabra said:
They are Democratic Socialists, but not communists..
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both Sanders and Cortez have supported many communist causes. LIke HItler Stalin Mao MUssolini they never say at first how big they want govt to be just so long as its always bigger.

Democratic Socialists of America Leaders Say 'Communism is Good'
https://pjmedia.com/.../democratic-socialists-of-america-leaders-say-communism-is-go...
Jul 2, 2018 - Multiple Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) leaders are openly endorsing communism on social media, indicating that the already far-left ...


Thomas Jefferson:Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
 
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