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Quite frankly, the Republican and Democratic parties are hypocritical, dumbasses....

Fledermaus said:
I am just having fun exposing Vern for what he is.
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I post clear straightforward and factual posts. There is nothing to “expose”. You literally just admitted I was right and that you were simply being dishonest. And you are also admitting you know "Poor, sick, sad, hyperpartisan, goalpostmoving Vern" is a lie. If I was right, as you admit, I'm not "sick sad hyperpartisan or goalpostmoving."

I didn't raise hell when it happened during the Obama's administration because I DID realize it was a matter of too many children swamping the border and inadequate provisioning.
But we also didn't have a press pounding away day after day everything that thappened under Obama's administrtation.
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So if you admit it was something out of President Obama's control, why do you keep whining Trump's policy to intentionally separate children from their parents is front page news? And here's the worst part Fled, its not an example of democrats' "hypocrisy and dumbassery". So have you found an example of hypocrisy and dumbassery from democrats yet? Its kinda the thread topic

Oh and since you admitted that I was right, I don't have to respond to your other post. However I will address your falsehood (and now we know you know it was false) about outrage with the traffickers. In addition to the outrage, there was a congressional investigation into the children being placed with them. But again, it wasn't an Obama policy to place children with traffickers so of course its not going to be front page news.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Disagreeing with me doesn't make someone hyperpartisan. But if you don't think the Republican or Democratic parties act hypocritically then I think in that particular subject you are hyperpartisan.
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Oh look, you’re not too depressed to reiterate your point and again with zero explanation or back up. Its good to see you’re feeling better. Anyhoo, “both sides do it” is simply a conservative narrative to justify that republicans are flaming lying hypocrites on every issue. They cant admit they were wrong (or incapable of understanding it) so magic presto everybody is wrong. Again, enderpotato00 is acting like a kid who just found his parents lied about Santa Clause. Oh and I think he was in high school when he found out.
 
Fledermaus said:
Birth certificate, Fast and Furious, Pastor, etc. we're driven primarily by the right wing outlets and not the general press.

Consider the fact you did not recall the child labor story.... Had that been Trump's we would have it trumpeted on high by every outlet save Fox for months... As it was it was a couple of articles and gone.
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Er uh Fled, I realize you're probably still stinging from my last post but this is for your own good. Is it being "trumpeted on high by every outlet" that a 6 year old child was abused at one of the detention facilities? It was 6 days ago. I'm not seeing as a lead story anywhere. If she had been detained with her mother instead of separated it wouldn't have happened. So in spite of the fact that her abuse was a direct result of Trump's policy I don't see it as "front page news". Don't worry though, I'm sure there will be no congressional investigation.
 
Vern said:
Oh look, you’re not too depressed to reiterate your point and again with zero explanation or back up. Its good to see you’re feeling better. Anyhoo, “both sides do it” is simply a conservative narrative to justify that republicans are flaming lying hypocrites on every issue. They cant admit they were wrong (or incapable of understanding it) so magic presto everybody is wrong. Again, enderpotato00 is acting like a kid who just found his parents lied about Santa Clause. Oh and I think he was in high school when he found out.
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I have gone back and looked at my responses to you and can’t for the life of me figure out why you are taking such a dicking tone in your replies to me. I can’t recall ever having any negative interactions with you so I am at a loss. But if my respectful replies to you are only going to garner hostility then I am done bothering with you.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I have gone back and looked at my responses to you and can’t for the life of me figure out why you are taking such a dicking tone in your replies to me. I can’t recall ever having any negative interactions with you so I am at a loss. But if my respectful replies to you are only going to garner hostility then I am done bothering with you.
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It was low for him to in any way deflect to your mental health problems.
 
Vern said:
Oh look, you’re not too depressed to reiterate your point and again with zero explanation or back up. Its good to see you’re feeling better. Anyhoo, “both sides do it” is simply a conservative narrative to justify that republicans are flaming lying hypocrites on every issue. They cant admit they were wrong (or incapable of understanding it) so magic presto everybody is wrong. Again, enderpotato00 is acting like a kid who just found his parents lied about Santa Clause. Oh and I think he was in high school when he found out.
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If you want to take an aggressive approach or attack the integrity of someone, I'm the first one to say that its fair game.

But don't go bringing up peoples mental health issues. It's insensitive, dehumanizes the condition, and it's why people suffer in silence everywhere.
 
Vern said:
Er uh Fled, I realize you're probably still stinging from my last post but this is for your own good. Is it being "trumpeted on high by every outlet" that a 6 year old child was abused at one of the detention facilities? It was 6 days ago. I'm not seeing as a lead story anywhere. If she had been detained with her mother instead of separated it wouldn't have happened. So in spite of the fact that her abuse was a direct result of Trump's policy I don't see it as "front page news". Don't worry though, I'm sure there will be no congressional investigation.
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What the hell are you babbling about? Stinging from what?
 
Vern said:
I post clear straightforward and factual posts.
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Heavily dosed with commentary that shows you are partisan to an extreme.

Vern said:
There is nothing to “expose”.
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That actually may be true. I don't need to expose your partisan hackery... It is apparent to anyone who reads your posts.

Vern said:
You literally just admitted I was right and that you were simply being dishonest. .
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Ummmmmmmmmm

No.

I literally, figuratively, factually did no such thing.
 
Linc said:
Your ‘dictator obama’ moronic nonsense didn’t get run out of DC.

President Clinton and his First Lady will help our Nation HEAL.

They will lead us in prayer to our Creator, as we Pray God’s Speed for Pence/Kasich.
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I have no problem with the religious part of your response. However as you see Billy Clinton and queen wannabe Hillary plans for America did not take them into the White House. Putting a band aid on a large opened wound isn't going to stop the obama bleeding of the United States. The sensible choice is of course our President Donald Trump. Deal with it.
 
MovingPictures said:
It was low for him to in any way deflect to your mental health problems.
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Thanks, but I’m not sensitive about that, though some may be. I assume he was referring to me saying I find the hyperpartisanship depressing rather than referring to my past battles with PTSD. He would only know about the latter if he had read those particular threads.

I just didn’t understand why he was getting snarky in the first place as I simply replied to his questions and didn’t attack him or his position. It wasn’t like we were having a heated disagreement that went over the line like can sometimes happen. It just came out of the blue. No big deal, but those aren’t the kinds of conversations I am personally looking for here.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I have gone back and looked at my responses to you and can’t for the life of me figure out why you are taking such a dicking tone in your replies to me. I can’t recall ever having any negative interactions with you so I am at a loss. But if my respectful replies to you are only going to garner hostility then I am done bothering with you.
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Bob, we haven't had a negative interaction. My posts are about our current discussion. And I don't think I was "dickish" to you. I think I was quite restrained. I asked you to back up your point and you said

Skeptic Bob said:
Maybe hyper partisanship is just on the rise. I find it too depressing to dwell on to be honest.
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maybe you don't know it or not but that was a dodge. You make a claim which included calling me a hyperpartisan. I simply asked for an explanation. And after your dodge I respectfully pointed out I was disappointed. You then reiterated your point. So I simply pointed out that it was too depressing for you to dwell on but not too depressing to reiterate. You don't see a proble with that? I simply explained to you my problem with the "both sides do it" narrative. I even made a joke about enderpotato00 not you. With you, I'm still disappointed.
 
MovingPictures said:
It was low for him to in any way deflect to your mental health problems.
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I asked him to explain something and he posted "I find it too depressing to dwell on." So I don't take that as him indicating he has a mental condition. I took that as a dodge. He then reiterated his point. So I wasn't making fun of his mental condition. I was making fun of his dodge. Go back read his posts.
 
Vern said:
Oh look, you’re not too depressed to reiterate your point and again with zero explanation or back up. Its good to see you’re feeling better. Anyhoo, “both sides do it” is simply a conservative narrative to justify that republicans are flaming lying hypocrites on every issue. They cant admit they were wrong (or incapable of understanding it) so magic presto everybody is wrong. Again, enderpotato00 is acting like a kid who just found his parents lied about Santa Clause. Oh and I think he was in high school when he found out.
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Your side doesn't admit it's wrong either. Your party literally keeps minorities down in this "I'm here for you" illusion. It doesn't give a ****. Even if they don't support slavery anymore like historically they did, they still do the same idea. They treat minorities like children who can't defend themselves or be independent. Because they want them to keep voting for them and having big daddy govt. save them.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Thanks, but I’m not sensitive about that, though some may be. I assume he was referring to me saying I find the hyperpartisanship depressing rather than referring to my past battles with PTSD. He would only know about the latter if he had read those particular threads.

I just didn’t understand why he was getting snarky in the first place as I simply replied to his questions and didn’t attack him or his position. It wasn’t like we were having a heated disagreement that went over the line like can sometimes happen. It just came out of the blue. No big deal, but those aren’t the kinds of conversations I am personally looking for here.
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first off, this is the first I've ever heard of you having PTSD. Your "I find it depressing" sounded like a dodge. It still does. Again, I was respectful even though you called me a hyper partisan. I don't think I've violated any protocol asking for an explanation. You then reiterated your point about me being a hyper partisan. Sure, you said it in a nice way but you reiterated it. I expected better from somebody standing in front of a weed garden.
 
enderpotato00 said:
Your side doesn't admit it's wrong either. Your party literally keeps minorities down in this "I'm here for you" illusion. It doesn't give a ****. Even if they don't support slavery anymore like historically they did, they still do the same idea. They treat minorities like children who can't defend themselves or be independent. Because they want them to keep voting for them and having big daddy govt. save them.
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Thank you for assuring me you are right with a lying conservative narrative. It's not really an improvement over your assurances based on a vague hazy notion of something. Anyhoo, here's my first post in the thread. See if you can be specific like I was. If at some point you realize you just cant be specific then it try to understand why you cant be specific.
Vern said:
I disagree. The “both sides do it” narrative kinda came into vogue when conservatives could no longer deny they’d been played the fool by republicans. They couldn't admit they were wrong so everybody had to be wrong. If you are aware anything that comes remotely close to republican flip flops on mandates, deficits, “undermines our allies and emboldens our enemies”, or stimulus I’d like to hear it. Also, the OP adding "dumbasses" is llke a child acting out when he found out his parents lied about Santa Claus. So I think the "dumbass" part would more likely apply to the people who vote for them. Remember, conservatives believed in large quantities if not majorities that "President Obama was born in Kenya", "His BC a forgery", "he wants to kill old people" and of course the vile and disgusting "stand down" lies.

Anyhoo, I see democrats just trying to govern. Case in point, Ryan needed democrat help to pass the budget this year and democrats voted for Bush’s stimulus. I’m just not seeing the “both sides do it” that you and enderpotato00 see. So please enlighten me because this “hyperpartisan” label is a cross I just cannot bear.
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Vern said:
Thank you for assuring me you are right with a lying conservative narrative. It's not really an improvement over your assurances based on a vague hazy notion of something. Anyhoo, here's my first post in the thread. See if you can be specific like I was. If at some point you realize you just cant be specific then it try to understand why you cant be specific.
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Wow of course what I'm saying is lying to you, b/c the Democrat's bubble is keeping you from seeing outside. Sad really. Keep sucking up to the party that has not done very much good at all.
 
Fledermaus said:
What the hell are you babbling about? Stinging from what?
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Oh Fled, you can pretend my post wasn’t a stinging rebuttal but you don’t get to pretend not to know what I was referring to. And what proves your pretend “confusion” is dishonest is you are using it to ignore my point. You posted “wah wah if it was twump, the media woulda been mean”. To counter you point, I showed you a 6 year old child who was separated from her mother and was sexually abused in detention. If trump had not initiated his “toddlers in cages” policy, this would not have happened. Not seeing it on the “front pages” or "trumpeted" as you claimed.

Fledermaus said:
Heavily dosed with commentary that shows you are partisan to an extreme.
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First off fled, thank you for admitting I post “clear straightforward and factual posts”. Your whines about “adding editorial comment” doesn’t change those facts. So now you’ve stopped pretending that what happened under President Obama was nothing similar to Trump’s “toddlers in cages” policy it means no hypocrisy. You went through all that time and effort to “expose” me and couldn’t come up with one example. You need to stop trying to “expose” me and attempt to post clear straightforward and factual posts. I know you’re thinking “phlbbbbbt,sure when you’re not trying to justify lying conservative narratives, its easy to post clear straightforward and factual posts.” Fled, its about the choices we make.

I literally, figuratively, factually did no such thing.
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You literally did when you told Willy this

Fledermaus said:
I am just having fun exposing Vern for what he is.

I didn't raise hell when it happened during the Obama's administration because I DID realize it was a matter of too many children swamping the border and inadequate provisioning.
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You literally admitted you were ignoring my points about why what happened under President Obama was in no way related to trump's "toddlers in cages" policy. And you admitted why you were ignoring them.
 
enderpotato00 said:
Wow of course what I'm saying is lying to you, b/c the Democrat's bubble is keeping you from seeing outside. Sad really. Keep sucking up to the party that has not done very much good at all.
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E, don't think I'm not getting a chuckle that you think I'm the one with a problem as you assure me you're right. The reason its funny is because I asked you to be specific. You even had specifics to explain why I just cant see the truth (Im in a bubble) but no specifics about your latest lying conservative narrative. On a serious note E, remember when you believed president Obama was born in Kenya, his BC a forgery, he wanted to kill old people, the vile and disgusting "stand down" lies and " republicans care about deficits". That's a serious track record of lying conservative narratives.
 
Vern said:
Oh Fled, you can pretend my post wasn’t a stinging rebuttal but you don’t get to pretend not to know what I was referring to. And what proves your pretend “confusion” is dishonest is you are using it to ignore my point. You posted “wah wah if it was twump, the media woulda been mean”. To counter you point, I showed you a 6 year old child who was separated from her mother and was sexually abused in detention. If trump had not initiated his “toddlers in cages” policy, this would not have happened. Not seeing it on the “front pages” or "trumpeted" as you claimed.

First off fled, thank you for admitting I post “clear straightforward and factual posts”. Your whines about “adding editorial comment” doesn’t change those facts. So now you’ve stopped pretending that what happened under President Obama was nothing similar to Trump’s “toddlers in cages” policy it means no hypocrisy. You went through all that time and effort to “expose” me and couldn’t come up with one example. You need to stop trying to “expose” me and attempt to post clear straightforward and factual posts. I know you’re thinking “phlbbbbbt,sure when you’re not trying to justify lying conservative narratives, its easy to post clear straightforward and factual posts.” Fled, its about the choices we make.

You literally did when you told Willy this

You literally admitted you were ignoring my points about why what happened under President Obama was in no way related to trump's "toddlers in cages" policy. And you admitted why you were ignoring them.
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All that blather...

Vern, what color is the sky in your bizzaro world?
 
Fledermaus said:
All that blather...

Vern, what color is the sky in your bizzaro world?
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and there it is: the Big Dodge. Poor fled, you can whine about me all you want but you admitted I was right when you explained to willy you understood the difference between a flood of unaccompanied minors and Trump’s policy to put “toddlers in cages”. You also admitted I post clear, straightforward and factual statements. But what proves your latest post is just another dishonest dodge is I posted the story about a 6 year old girl being sexually abused in detention. That was a complete rebuttal to your obedient “the media is being mean to twump” so you have no choice but to dodge. You can whine and flail about me all day but you cant respond to that.
 
Vern said:
and there it is: the Big Dodge. Poor fled, you can whine about me all you want but you admitted I was right when you explained to willy you understood the difference between a flood of unaccompanied minors and Trump’s policy to put “toddlers in cages”. You also admitted I post clear, straightforward and factual statements. But what proves your latest post is just another dishonest dodge is I posted the story about a 6 year old girl being sexually abused in detention. That was a complete rebuttal to your obedient “the media is being mean to twump” so you have no choice but to dodge. You can whine and flail about me all day but you cant respond to that.
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Is the sky Orange? Or is the sky Magenta?
 
enderpotato00 said:
This is my opinion, you may or may not agree. Thoughts?
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I disagree ................................................................................. It is not just your opinion, it is a fact.
 
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