What would it take for a Trump supporter to change their mind?

This is a genuine question, not a troll thread. I hope Trump supporters will answer this question with honesty. Can I ask people who don't like Trump to refrain from posting.

What would Trump have to do in terms of behaviour, speech, or legislation, in order for you to stop supporting him? At what point does what he says and does become unacceptable?

Aristaeus said:

This is a genuine question, not a troll thread. I hope Trump supporters will answer this question with honesty. Can I ask people who don't like Trump to refrain from posting.

What would Trump have to do in terms of behaviour, speech, or legislation, in order for you to stop supporting him? At what point does what he says and does become unacceptable?

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Hmmm...why don't we turn the tables first?

What would Trump have to do in terms of behavior, speech, or legislation, in order for you to stop OPPOSING him? At what point does what he says and does become ACCEPTABLE?

The problem with your question is that it presumes anyone who supports Trump is fundamentally wrong; that supporting him must stop in order for the world to properly function again.

It also presumes those who support him agree with everything he is doing and have no issues which they would like to see him handle differently.

The fact is that I (and apparently many others) personally agree with many of the actions he has taken because he has been either keeping, or at least making valid attempts to keep the promises he made when running for office. His verbal blunders don't bother me, although I am not immune to some of his more cringeworthy comments.

It is more important to see what he has done than bother about some of the things he may have said...actions speak louder than words.

So again..What would Trump have to do in terms of behavior, speech, or legislation, in order for you to stop OPPOSING him? At what point does what he says and does become ACCEPTABLE?

Aristaeus said:

This is a genuine question, not a troll thread. I hope Trump supporters will answer this question with honesty. Can I ask people who don't like Trump to refrain from posting.

What would Trump have to do in terms of behaviour, speech, or legislation, in order for you to stop supporting him? At what point does what he says and does become unacceptable?

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Behavior - Anything illegal.


Speech - Don't care about his speech...more concerned with his actions.


Legislation - Abandonment of his promised agenda.

Aristaeus said:

This is a genuine question, not a troll thread. I hope Trump supporters will answer this question with honesty. Can I ask people who don't like Trump to refrain from posting.

What would Trump have to do in terms of behaviour, speech, or legislation, in order for you to stop supporting him? At what point does what he says and does become unacceptable?

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Why should a Trump supporter tell you this? Serious question.

Maybe it comes down to "a glass half full". In our eyes, Trump has done more good than bad and no one is perfect.

Aristaeus said:

What would Trump have to do in terms of behaviour, speech, or legislation, in order for you to stop supporting him?

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Not huge fan of Trump, but not a die-hard devoted "NeverTrumper", so going to give my general view here.

My guess, it depends on exactly what attracted the person to Trump in the first place.

If it was his stance on policies, it would likely be if he goes way in the opposite direction from what he's said/done. So for instance, if all of a sudden he stopped talking about strong immigration enforcement and instead backed a plan to give amnesty and immediate citizenship for everyone in this country illegally. Or if his next SCOTUS appointment was more Kagan than Alito. Or if he got on board with a ban on "assault rifles" and heavy taxation and regulations on ammunition.

If it was his presentation and appearing as a "non-politician", I would imagine if he suddenly started acting more like a politician. If he outright stopped being confrontational towards those that are antagonistic/aggressive/negative towards him. Or if he started talking routinely in "political doublespeak" where he's clearly not giving any indication of what his views or thoughts on something is but rather is constantly caching it with caveats and vagaries.

I think instances relating to policy, for those who support/like him for those reasons, are more likely to actually cause a supporter to truly "change their mind" and actively start having a PROBLEM with Trump. I think instances relating to speech and behavior, for those that like him for that reason, is less likely to truly "change their mind" as it is likely to simply massively dull their enthusiasm and active support for him.

Captain Adverse said:

The problem with your question is that it presumes anyone who supports Trump is fundamentally wrong

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So does your question back to him follow the same fault of presuming anyone who doesn't support him is fundamentally wrong?

Aristaeus said:

This is a genuine question, not a troll thread. I hope Trump supporters will answer this question with honesty. Can I ask people who don't like Trump to refrain from posting.

What would Trump have to do in terms of behaviour, speech, or legislation, in order for you to stop supporting him? At what point does what he says and does become unacceptable?

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This is a genuine question.:lamo

Zyphlin said:

So does your question back to him follow the same fault of presuming anyone who doesn't support him is fundamentally wrong?

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No, it is merely another example of turning the tables I like to use whenever I see such posts in the forum.

Captain Adverse said:

No, it is merely another example of turning the tables I like to use whenever I see such posts in the forum.

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Ah...so HIS question presumes anyone who supports Trump is fundamentally wrong.

But YOUR question, which is EXACTLY THE SAME question as his but in reverse, is somehow NOT presuming that anyone who opposes Trump is fundamentally wrong.

Of course, that makes PERFECT sense. :roll:

I understand you were turning the tables, but that doesn't magically change the logic underpining your question back at him.

Zyphlin said:

Ah...so HIS question presumes anyone who supports Trump is fundamentally wrong.

But YOUR question, which is EXACTLY THE SAME question as his but in reverse, is somehow NOT presuming that anyone who opposes Trump is fundamentally wrong.

Of course, that makes PERFECT sense. :roll:

I understand you were turning the tables, but that doesn't magically change the logic underpining your question back at him.

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there are two main reasons Trump has supporters

1) some people support what he is doing affirmatively

2) many people are glad he is say making the SC picks not hillary. If Trump started jacking up taxes, trying to restrict gun rights, appoint liberals to the courts, I would be anti Trump. In other words I voted against the other candidate because her track record proved to me her actions would be deleterious to my issues. Trump was a joker in the deck of cards.

The absolute hysteria against Trump seems to be more based on the fact he kept Hilary out of office when she was "promised" to win versus a rational argument that Trump has hurt the complainers

Aristaeus said:

This is a genuine question, not a troll thread. I hope Trump supporters will answer this question with honesty. Can I ask people who don't like Trump to refrain from posting.

What would Trump have to do in terms of behaviour, speech, or legislation, in order for you to stop supporting him? At what point does what he says and does become unacceptable?

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I don't think anything could convince them. It could be revealed that he did money laundering through Russian fronts, that he colluded with foreign powers, and nothing. The Trump Cult is strong and inescapable. It's like Scientology, lol.

Aristaeus said:

This is a genuine question, not a troll thread. I hope Trump supporters will answer this question with honesty. Can I ask people who don't like Trump to refrain from posting.

What would Trump have to do in terms of behaviour, speech, or legislation, in order for you to stop supporting him? At what point does what he says and does become unacceptable?

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He's the most Conservative president we've had since Ronaldus Maximus.

Ikari said:

I don't think anything could convince them. It could be revealed that he did money laundering through Russian fronts, that he colluded with foreign powers, and nothing. The Trump Cult is strong and inescapable. It's like Scientology, lol.

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So much for it not being a troll thread.

Aristaeus said:

This is a genuine question, not a troll thread. I hope Trump supporters will answer this question with honesty. Can I ask people who don't like Trump to refrain from posting.

What would Trump have to do in terms of behaviour, speech, or legislation, in order for you to stop supporting him? At what point does what he says and does become unacceptable?

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See post #3.
This poster sums it up perfectly for many, I presume.
Ok, question for you... what's it going to take for you to give Trump credit for his accomplishments?

What would it take for a Trump supporter to change his, her, zhe, hir, zir, ze's mind? It would require some REAL scandal or REAL incompetence. We put up with numerous scandals and unprecedented spending during the Obama years, as well as the slowest, leanest recovery ever, all time high numbers of Americans STILL on welfare and food stamps at the end of his presidency. His military and political meddling in the middle east literally CAUSED the refugee crisis! His terrible Iran nuke deal gave away the farm, in exchange for essentially a guarantee that Iran will have nukes relatively soon.

He militarized the IRS against his opponents. He ordered the intelligence agencies to spy on our allys' leaders, and used intelligence agencies to intimidate US media outlets. He spent trillions of dollars on a health care insurance program that's utterly failed in its MAIN goal! The VA was caught falsifying veterans doctor visits, to cover up their huge problems. The secret service had all sorts of scandals. Several other major govt agencies became corrupted and more incompetent. Etc etc etc

But the news media held Obama personally responsible for approximately -0-% of the above listed catastrophies!! Contrast that with the way the media NOW blame the president for EVERYTHING(even fabricated scandals).

If Trump did even half of that^, I'd turn against him!

apdst said:

So much for it not being a troll thread.

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There's actually FAR more evidence and PROOF that Hillary and Obama colluded with, profited from, bent over backwards for, the Russians! Under Obama and Hillary, Putin took over 20%+ of the control of the very substance used to make nuclear/atomic weapons and energy in OUR country! Putin wanted our defensive missile shield weakened or removed, and HE GOT IT!

Obama was even caught covertly promising to give the Russians more of 'something' related to missiles during a joint meeting with Medvedev. Hillary was 'gifted' $140,000,000 from a corrupt, Putin-connected Russian oligarch(in exchange for 'something'). He was connected to both Putin AND the uranium mining company!

The bulls**t 'evidence' used by the FBI to get warrants against Trump officials, was actually a dossier bought and paid for by the Clinton campaign, which included anti-Trump propaganda, dug up by Russians! In other words, Hillary literally colluded with people connected to Russia to get negative info to use against Trump. In other words, she was doing the same thing that Trump has been accused of! Except that there's actually evidence to prove it!

Aristaeus said:

This is a genuine question, not a troll thread. I hope Trump supporters will answer this question with honesty. Can I ask people who don't like Trump to refrain from posting.

What would Trump have to do in terms of behaviour, speech, or legislation, in order for you to stop supporting him? At what point does what he says and does become unacceptable?

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Maybe not you, but certainly lots of others here are doing Putin’s work for him. Their mission is to create chaos and get Americans at each other’s throats. Putin gets an A+ here.

Trump returning the his past Democrat party identification would do it.

"I identify as more as a Democrat."
"Hillary Clinton is a terrific woman."

What would it take for a Trump supporter to change their mind?

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Ooooo...

That's a tough one.

For starter's, they would have to have a "mind" to change. I think the gray matter might be in short supply out there on the perimeter. :lamo