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Is it me or are liberals now routinely anti Christian and anti Semitic?

Captain America said:
Seriously, I think you guys really should step away from the religious right propaganda,
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you call establishing morality on earth, propaganda?? You want to step toward atheism??
 
James972 said:
Is it me or are liberals now routinely anti Christian and anti Semitic?

If this is so can liberals explain to me what they think Western Civilization would be like had it not been built on* the Judeo/Christian religious foundation. Before Christ we were Romans who, for entertainment,* went to the Coliseum to watch people being eaten, and we routinely conquered* nations and then killed, plundered, raped, and enslaved their citizens.* After Christ we followed the Golden Rule: love thy neighbor as thyself. Do liberals really have any idea what they are objecting to?*
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Sadly you have been exposed.
 
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Howard the Duck said:
. Our job is to be our brother's keeper..
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exactly and the best way to do that is to introduce your brother to the capitalist social safety net. Now do you understand? China just did it and saved another 60 million from slowly starving to death. Do you hate that?
 
James972 said:
you call establishing morality on earth, propaganda?? You want to step toward atheism??
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Just speaking for myself but I have a profound sense of "morality" in as much as my actions and deeds are good and kind to society and my fellow man. I know right from wrong. Though, you might find me in the church house from time to time, because I do love to attend, I do hold the belief that religion is not the only avenue to travel to achieve the worthy goal of morality. In fact, some of the best people I know don't even believe in God. And some of the worst people I know can be found at mass on any Sunday.

I don't think the non-religious have any more of a right to dictate morals any more than the religious do.

You might not agree with my morals any more than I might agree with your's. I have no more right to force my morals on you than you do to me.

But we're blessed to live in a country of laws that establishes somewhat of a moral baseline and consequences for crossing that baseline.

Thank God there are measures in place that prevent both the religious and non-religious from dictating exactly what that baseline should be.

I personally believe that the Moral Majority, is neither.
 
Captain America said:
Just speaking for myself but I have a profound sense of "morality"
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yes thanks to Christianity. If you had been born owning slaves like our founders that would have been fine with you, or had you been born a Nazi that would have been fine with you or had you been born in Japan that would have been fine with you too. You are a Christian you just don't have the ability to know it!
 
Howard the Duck said:
The LORD is with me; I will not be afraid. What can mere mortals do to me?--psalms 118:6
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The LORD is with me; I will not be afraid. What can mere mortals do to me?--psalms 118:6

( this is a liberals idea of debating)
 
James972 said:
yes thanks to Christianity. If you had been born owning slaves like our founders that would have been fine with you, or had you been born a Nazi that would have been fine with you or had you been born in Japan that would have been fine with you too. You are a Christian you just don't have the ability to know it!
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I believe you can put a hundred people on a deserted island that have never even heard of God, any god, and self-preservation alone will condition them in to a sense of morality.

I do not believe that, had it not been for religion, I would have turned out to be a raping, killing, stealing, lying P.O.S.

And when someone suggests to me that, without their religion, they would be a worthless person, unfit for society, I just feel sorry for them. I think, "Sucks to be that dude."

Myself, I do not have to have a crutch. I can stand upright on my own.
 
Captain America said:
I believe you can put a hundred people on a deserted island that have never even heard of God, any god, and self-preservation alone will condition them in to a sense of morality.

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insanity of course I just gave example of Founders Nazis and Japanese and it went right over your head????
 
James972 said:
insanity of course I just gave example of Founders Nazis and Japanese and it went right over your head????
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Yes James. That's right.

Your profound offerings of deep intellectual wisdom just go right over my head. :roll:

:coffeepap
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Christians can be fine, all they need to do is clean up their beliefs systems so that they are no longer offensive.

Personal liberty being so yesterday, today we all need to get aligned for UTOPIA.

Says much of the Left.
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I agree with most of what you wrote however in some way, Christians are getting a bad rap. Whatever happened to Islam during those years and where was Islam in Europe before they were forced back across the Mediterrean. History tells us factually that Muslims carried the sword to Europe for centuries before Christian armies took the Crusade to them.
FYI, the Islamic invasion began in the 7th Century and again in the 8th Century. What you failed to include in your tirade is as follows: regions that had been part of the Roman and later Byzantine empires, were culturally part of the West until it was conquered by Muslim arms – Rome is closer geographically to Tripoli than to London, Madrid is closer to Casablanca than to Berlin, and Athens is closer to Damascus than to Paris.

711-18: Muslim Conquest of Spain
719 Muslim invasion of France
732 Battle of Poitiers (Tours)
736 Muslim Conquest of Georgia
820 Muslim Conquest of Crete
827 Muslim Conquest of Syracuse in Sicily
846 Muslim Sack of Rome
847 Muslim Conquest of Bari in southern Italy

There are many more invasions and conquest of Europe and Eastern Europe by Islam as history can confirm. Mentioning this as historical fact negates any degradation of Christianity.
 
OlNate said:
Statistical evidence to back up the claim that most liberals don't give a *** about religion or God.

It's ok, it's a rhetorical questions, I don't actually expect you to find any... First of all, "give a ****" is pretty subjective, second of all religion or God broadens the definition of what they don't give a **** about... Basically I'm pointing out demonstrably false, lazy generalization. If it's something other than that, I'll read your links...otherwise it is what it is. :shrug:
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I specifically said that it is not 100%. "Most" could be defined as 50.1%. And, I don't expect you to prove your claim that 100% of all liberals are religious, especially just based on anecdotes. You might be interested in this though (you might want to click on the trends tab):

Belief in God among liberals - Religion in America: U.S. Religious Data, Demographics and Statistics | Pew Research Center
 
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James972 said:
insanity of course I just gave example of Founders Nazis and Japanese and it went right over your head????
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A person can be born Japanese, (ie in Japan) but for Nazis or Christians they have to be indoctrinated.
 
James972 said:
yes thanks to Christianity. If you had been born owning slaves like our founders that would have been fine with you, or had you been born a Nazi that would have been fine with you or had you been born in Japan that would have been fine with you too. You are a Christian you just don't have the ability to know it!
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James972 said:
insanity of course I just gave example of Founders Nazis and Japanese and it went right over your head????
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Before I turn you in this Japanese American would like to hear you explain what would be wrong with being born in Japan.
 
James972 said:
Why do so many liberals despise Christianity? - The Week
theweek.com/articles/443225/why-many-liberals-despise-christianity
Oct 8, 2014 - Liberalism seems to have an irrational animus against Christianity. Consider these two stories highlighted in the last week by conservative ...
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Why do you despise christanity?
Why do you hate freedom and America?
Why do you hate hsitory, Truth and facts?
Why do you continue to show your lack of knowledge of the terms conservative and liberal?
Why do you not want to actually learn anything?
Why dont you pay up on all the bets you lose?
 
It is definitely you.

James972 said:
Why do so many liberals despise Christianity?
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Perhaps the more appropriate question to ask is why so many Christians despise Christianity...

Trump and Jesus.jpg

It wasn't "liberals" who betrayed Christianity in 2016 by rejoicing over a twice divorced man who boasts about grabbing p**** and treats women like bitches because of his economic status. And according to religious demonstrations like this, a church choir praising Go...I mean Trump, they continue to blindly follow this false god (demogogue).

Add all of this latest nonsense to the former and ongoing crusade to fight "the left's" war on Christmas simply because they don't care push Jesus Christ down everybody's throat, and one can easily see that it's not the left "despises" Christians. Christians have simply become insufferable in their zealotry and irrational fanaticism.

Otherwise, nobody really cares.
 
Moderate Right said:
I specifically said that it is not 100%. "Most" could be defined as 50.1%. And, I don't expect you to prove your claim that 100% of all liberals are religious, especially just based on anecdotes. You might be interested in this though (you might want to click on the trends tab):

Belief in God among liberals - Religion in America: U.S. Religious Data, Demographics and Statistics | Pew Research Center
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lol...Mod, I didn't say 100% of Liberals are Christian...and your data says well over 50% of us are at least fairly certain there is a God. But to be specific,

Liberals - Religion in America: U.S. Religious Data, Demographics and Statistics | Pew Research Center

52% identify as Christian, so at the moment, based on the latest available polls, the majority of Liberals are Christian. :shrug:

I do agree that the trend is interesting...but religiousness has always waxed and waned to some extent, and there are generally very understandable drivers - and let's not pretend like the Church isn't a part of that.

I guess for me, as a Christian "Liberal", I don't understand why this is worth discussing. A person's beliefs are their own, and no one else's business. The only reason I chimed in because I hate false generalizations, especially when they drive further division unnecessarily. This is a bait thread built on misinformation, so I called BS. The OP suggests that Liberals are "routinely anti Christian and anti-Semitic, which is absolute hogwash.

When I asked you for statistical evidence of you claim that the "majority of Liberals don't give a **** about religion", I was just asking for a source to confirm it, not knowing what the answer would be, but allowing a little gamble because the definition of "not giving a *** about religion" could be debated...I had outs. ;) But, as a nice surprise, turns out we Christian Liberals are still in the majority for the moment...hehe... Imagine that.
 
OlNate said:
lol...Mod, I didn't say 100% of Liberals are Christian...and your data says well over 50% of us are at least fairly certain there is a God. But to be specific,

Liberals - Religion in America: U.S. Religious Data, Demographics and Statistics | Pew Research Center

52% identify as Christian, so at the moment, based on the latest available polls, the majority of Liberals are Christian. :shrug:

I do agree that the trend is interesting...but religiousness has always waxed and waned to some extent, and there are generally very understandable drivers - and let's not pretend like the Church isn't a part of that.

I guess for me, as a Christian "Liberal", I don't understand why this is worth discussing. A person's beliefs are their own, and no one else's business. The only reason I chimed in because I hate false generalizations, especially when they drive further division unnecessarily. This is a bait thread built on misinformation, so I called BS. The OP suggests that Liberals are "routinely anti Christian and anti-Semitic, which is absolute hogwash.

When I asked you for statistical evidence of you claim that the "majority of Liberals don't give a **** about religion", I was just asking for a source to confirm it, not knowing what the answer would be, but allowing a little gamble because the definition of "not giving a *** about religion" could be debated...I had outs. ;) But, as a nice surprise, turns out we Christian Liberals are still in the majority for the moment...hehe... Imagine that.
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And I didn't say that 100% of liberals aren't religious. That's the point!
 
Moderate Right said:
And I didn't say that 100% of liberals aren't religious. That's the point!
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I didn't say you did...you said most liberals don't give a **** about religion. And you were wrong.

Say it with me, Mod... "Nate, I was wrong, you were right"... :lol: Trust me, it's liberating. ;) :lamo You can do it!

(I'm just playing at this point, bud, I think I've demonstrated what I was trying to say...Happy Friday)
 
OlNate said:
I didn't say you did...you said most liberals don't give a **** about religion. And you were wrong.

Say it with me, Mod... "Nate, I was wrong, you were right"... :lol: Trust me, it's liberating. ;) :lamo You can do it!

(I'm just playing at this point, bud, I think I've demonstrated what I was trying to say...Happy Friday)
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As I said, most could be 50.1%. Turns out the link I gave showed that not only is liberal's affiliation with religion spiraling downhill fast, but only 45% definitely believe in God as of 2014, and has more than likely tumbled since then since that is the trend. In other words, I was right.
 
Moderate Right said:
As I said, most could be 50.1%. Turns out the link I gave showed that not only is liberal's affiliation with religion spiraling downhill fast, but only 45% definitely believe in God as of 2014, and has more than likely tumbled since then since that is the trend. In other words, I was right.
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lol...Moderate, I've been a Christian all my life, and there are plenty of days when the best I can say is "I'm pretty sure"....hehe... Come on.
 
OlNate said:
lol...Moderate, I've been a Christian all my life, and there are plenty of days when the best I can say is "I'm pretty sure"....hehe... Come on.
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Anecdotal. I provided a link to the facts.
 
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