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Kamala Harris: "It was 8 immigrants who the Declaration of Independence"

Anymore we suck so bad that people get to "Hey, that might work to advance my agenda if I say that, so I will say that!"....being honest and fair and acting educated is not really a thing anymore.
 
Not sure if the Articles of Confederation mentioned anything about naturalization. If it did not then it could be argued that there were no illegals prior to the time when the First Congress met to formulate rules of naturalization under the Constitution. It stands to reason if there are no laws on the books regarding what makes a citizen then there could be no laws defining what constituted an illegal immigrant.
 
Harris must be taking her history lessons from former FLOTUS...

Michelle Obama Says Founding Fathers Not 'Born in America'

Do you read your own posts? Snopes clearly states she did not say this and an explanation:
However, Michelle Obama did not, as claimed in the example quoted above, state that the Founding Fathers were not “born in America,” nor did she express ignorance of the fact that many of the Founding Fathers started their lives in the thirteen British North American colonies that later formed the original United States of America.

The First Lady said, in reference to the Founding Fathers, that “none of them were born American; they became American,” and in the original context (i.e., a naturalization ceremony), the meaning of that statement was perfectly clear.

What Michelle Obama was communicating on that occasion was a distinction between geography and nationality: she did not say that the Founding Fathers were born somewhere other than America, but rather that they did not start out their lives in a fully formed and established nation known as “America” complete with its own history, customs, culture, and values, as modern American children are. Rather, our forefathers were born into a very different world as British subjects in a colonial empire, and they chose to seek new opportunities and lives for themselves by transforming their world into something distinctive (through the establishment of a new nation known as the United States of America), just as modern immigrants born outside America choose to transform their worlds by opting to leave their homelands for America and seek new lives through becoming U.S. citizens.
 
Snopes is not always accurate
 
56 people signed the DoI. Last I knew 56-48=8. So technically she is correct that 8 immigrants signed the DoI.

That said, she is lying by omission. She is omitting the other 48 people that signed the DoI.

We're a nation of immagrants and were even moreso at the time the DoI was signed. There are much worse lies and corruption perpertrated by the Trump administration so I understand the need by the wacky right-wing to pounce on any persceived dishonesty on the part of the Democrats.

Major fail here, however.
 
Ms Harris is correct about 8 of the signers being foreign born

9 Things You May Not Know About the Declaration of Independence - HISTORY

Wow...8 subjects of the British Empire moved from one area to another area in the empire? Stunning news, who knew? Shocking. Amazing. And then they joined with other empire subjects and residents to launch an insurrection rejecting their citizenship in the empire?

Exactly what "immigrant lesson" Ms. Harris is attempting to convey is as opaque as it is seemingly pointless. If it's that immigrants cause insurrection then maybe she ought to rethink her dumb factoids (although it is unintentionally revealing of her hopes for current immigration, no?).
 
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No your argument is based on a false premise. How the heck could there be legal immigrants if we didn't have a country yet????? None of the other 48 signers of the DOI were born in a full fledged country.

May not have had a country. But there were still laws in place. British and local district laws. But laws none the less.
 
With all due respect to Senator Harris, at the time of the signing of the Declaration of Independence we were colonies of Great Britain, not a separate and independent nation. In fact, one of the grievances cited in the Declaration is that King George refused to allow the colonists their own rules for naturalization of foreigners:



Without laws to regulate the naturalization of citizens we can not be an independent nation. Senator Harris seems to have no idea what she's talking about.


This is what immigration is all about and how it should be done. Congratulations to more than 14,000 new American citizens! Welcome!
https://www.uscis.gov/news/news-releases/celebrating-independence-day-2018-naturalization-ceremonies


Celebrating Independence Day 2018 with Naturalization Ceremonies
Versión en español
On July 4, we celebrate our nation’s 242nd birthday and the day the Continental Congress adopted the Declaration of Independence in 1776.

USCIS marks Independence Day with naturalization ceremonies across the country. This year, we will welcome more than 14,000 new citizens in nearly 175 naturalization ceremonies between June 28 and July 10.

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Americans with guns. :)

But were they "Americans with guns" prior to winning their independence or British subjects with guns?

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Well I could have but what fun would that have been?
 
May not have had a country. But there were still laws in place. British and local district laws. But laws none the less.

Please list all the laws from the 1700s that dealt with illegal immigrants. I'll wait.
 
We're a nation of immagrants and were even moreso at the time the DoI was signed. There are much worse lies and corruption perpertrated by the Trump administration so I understand the need by the wacky right-wing to pounce on any persceived dishonesty on the part of the Democrats.

Major fail here, however.

A nation of LEGAL immigrants.
 
Purely out of curiosity how were indentured servants classified at the time. They were not "free men" but those who voluntarily sold themselves into servitude.
 
No your argument is based on a false premise. How the heck could there be legal immigrants if we didn't have a country yet????? None of the other 48 signers of the DOI were born in a full fledged country.

BECAUSE we were not a full fledged country, we were 13 British Empire colonies in the Americas. The migration of any British subject to British terroritores unless otherwise made unlawful was legal.
 
BECAUSE we were not a full fledged country, we were 13 British Empire colonies in the Americas. The migration of any British subject to British terroritores unless otherwise made unlawful was legal.

Great argument. Legal American Immigrants are legal because they are British??? I think you need more beer.
 
BECAUSE we were not a full fledged country, we were 13 British Empire colonies in the Americas. The migration of any British subject to British terroritores unless otherwise made unlawful was legal.

Great argument. Legal American Immigrants are legal because they are British??? I think you need more beer.

I do not believe that is the point he was making.
 
Please list all the laws from the 1700s that dealt with illegal immigrants. I'll wait.

Don't need to list the laws. A simple question will show my statement true. How is it that people are able to trace their ancestral tree back so far? Hint: It has to do documentation that was required due to immigration law.
 
Don't need to list the laws. A simple question will show my statement true. How is it that people are able to trace their ancestral tree back so far? Hint: It has to do documentation that was required due to immigration law.

That example has nothing whatsoever to do with illegal immigration.
 
There were not any U.S. Citizens present at the signing of the Declaration of Independence. A lot of British subjects but no U.S. Citizens since we had not as yet won our independence.


Bravo DLLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bravo:

I have family members who fought in the Revolutionary war. The name is Cooper. Their ancestors came over on the Mayflower. They were never part of the third that were appeasers to the British. They were never part of the 1/3 that didn't want to get involved. They were part of the 1/3 that fought for liberty. And I am damn proud of that.

Happy Independence Day to you sir because you truly get it.

Salute!
 

Nope.

It's much better for you to do your own research to find out the truth than it is for me to tell you the truth and you not believe me.
 
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