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Why did Democrats do a 180 on their position on immigration and open borders?

Why did Democrats do a 180 on their position on immigration and open borders?
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share with us why the republicans have performed a 180 on reagan's amnesty provisions for the undocumented
 
justabubba said:
share with us why the republicans have performed a 180 on reagan's amnesty provisions for the undocumented
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Why would I? I don't know. I asked about democrats in this thread. It would be a good topic for another thread though. I don't think anybody is stopping you from starting one.
 
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It amazes me how many progressives in this thread say they are not for open borders while their party wants to abolish ICE. In elections, I usually vote for the opposite party than the president in midterms since I am an independent and want there to be a balance of power rather than either party getting too powerful. I'm thinking now of abandoning that strategy when I see how radical the far left (who is in control of the democratic party) has become. Especially when I see the move to abolish ICE, as well as Maxine Waters (who is advocating harassing Trump staffers) becoming the face of democratic party.
 
phattonez said:
They didn't do a 180. They were never serious about enforcement.

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Take a look at those rates of illegal immigration. They only seriously went down when the border fence was partially completed between San Diego and Arizona. That's why you see that big drop ending in 2010.

The fact is that Democrats love as much immigration that they can get, legal or otherwise, and this is why:

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Legal immigrants can vote immediately upon getting citizenship, but illegal immigrants can birth children who can vote. This is the scam. It's all about politics. Once you realize what's going on, you'll never look at this issue the same way.
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Define "white".
 
cwb01 said:
Why would I? I don't know. I asked about democrats in this thread. It would be a good topic for another thread though. I don't think anybody is stopping you from starting one.
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since it seemed that there was interest in one party becoming very changed from its immigration principles and practices thru the years, it seemed natural to examine the other party in a similar light. it would now appear you are uninterested in the comparison. could it be that saint ronnie's amnesty actions have become a turd in the republican punch bowl?
 
justabubba said:
since it seemed that there was interest in one party becoming very changed from its immigration principles and practices thru the years, it seemed natural to examine the other party in a similar light. it would now appear you are uninterested in the comparison. could it be that saint ronnie's amnesty actions have become a turd in the republican punch bowl?
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Bush Jr was pretty much pro amnesty as well. There are still a lot of republicans in congress who are pro amnesty (look how they have been voting just recently) so I do not think the republicans have changed positions nearly as much as the democrats
 
cwb01 said:
Bush Jr was pretty much pro amnesty as well. There are still a lot of republicans in congress who are pro amnesty (look how they have been voting just recently) so I do not think the republicans have changed positions nearly as much as the democrats
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republicans are certainly not taking actions like a party which embraces amnesty for the undocumented. unless separating families by segregation the children, and imposing limitless detention is found to be the republican equivalent of amnesty
 
Rosie1 said:
What 180? Most Dems I know aren't for open borders. I've always been for "improved policies." Statistics are now saying the farmers need more workers. They have relied on migrants for that purpose for many years, So, why not give more green cards for the farm workers. Dreamers should have a path to citizenship, since many are going to college, working, and contributing to their communities already. What should be done about others who are actual "asylum" seekers (from El Salvador, Honduras, Etc)? IDK, congress needs to discuss that. I do know, making legal ports of entry unavailable to them, then arresting them when they enter the US at other places, isn't the right answer.
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Farmers exploit illegal aliens and children. That is the problem. We can grow and harvest cotton without slaves and we can grow and harvest crops today without exploiting people.
 
Why? Seriously? Lol.... Because they don't care if you or I lose our jobs or see our pay reduced due to illegal immigrants with less experience, and inability to speak English, being willing to work for less, because at least 55-62% of them are receiving state/federal entitlements anyway, so they don't need as much pay as you or I.

The democrats want to flood the country with poor, unskilled, non English speaking minorities, who will 'more reliably' vote for them. The progressive globalists want the same, in order to 'mold' the illegal immigrants into a pro-socialist, pro-authoritarian voting block. That's after they've also terrorized them with B.S. fears of "Naziism" and oppression!
 
Rosie1 said:
What 180? Most Dems I know aren't for open borders. I've always been for "improved policies." Statistics are now saying the farmers need more workers. They have relied on migrants for that purpose for many years, So, why not give more green cards for the farm workers. Dreamers should have a path to citizenship, since many are going to college, working, and contributing to their communities already. What should be done about others who are actual "asylum" seekers (from El Salvador, Honduras, Etc)? IDK, congress needs to discuss that. I do know, making legal ports of entry unavailable to them, then arresting them when they enter the US at other places, isn't the right answer.
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They rely on migrants because they don't want to pay farm workers what they should for the hard work they do. That is why they hire illegals. Now the average pay for farm workers is $10 per hr. If that were raised to $15 per hour, it would cost the average american family about $21 per year. I would gladly pay that.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Farmers exploit illegal aliens and children. That is the problem. We can grow and harvest cotton without slaves and we can grow and harvest crops today without exploiting people.
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Absolutely. Yet the argument from those who want illegal aliens to freely come to the United is that then we would be paying too much for our vegetables. It seems that democrats now are for slave labor.
 
ModerationNow! said:
Why? Seriously? Lol.... Because they don't care if you or I lose our jobs or see our pay reduced due to illegal immigrants with less experience, and inability to speak English, being willing to work for less, because at least 55-62% of them are receiving state/federal entitlements anyway, so they don't need as much pay as you or I.

The democrats want to flood the country with poor, unskilled, non English speaking minorities, who will 'more reliably' vote for them. The progressive globalists want the same, in order to 'mold' the illegal immigrants into a pro-socialist, pro-authoritarian voting block. That's after they've also terrorized them with B.S. fears of "Naziism" and oppression!
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would you please offer a cite for the entitlements statement bolded above
 
cwb01 said:
Absolutely. Yet the argument from those who want illegal aliens to freely come to the United is that then we would be paying too much for our vegetables. It seems that democrats now are for slave labor.
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That has always been the lie. If we don't exploit people we cannot survive. WRONG. The fact is if we stop exploiting people and pay people a fair wage there will be more people able to buy more goods and pay taxes. Everybody will be better off except the rich and powerful who are the ones exploiting people.
 
justabubba said:
republicans are certainly not taking actions like a party which embraces amnesty for the undocumented. unless separating families by segregation the children, and imposing limitless detention is found to be the republican equivalent of amnesty
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We don't reward bad behavior and then wonder why there is so much bad behavior. No tolerance should be the answer for all people who break our laws. Not only should they be tossed out they should lose the right to ever immigrate to this country. The word world wide should be we do not tolerate lawless people. Only law abiding people will be allowed to immigrate to this country. We have enough criminals in this country already.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
We don't reward bad behavior and then wonder why there is so much bad behavior. No tolerance should be the answer for all people who break our laws. Not only should they be tossed out they should lose the right to ever immigrate to this country. The word world wide should be we do not tolerate lawless people. Only law abiding people will be allowed to immigrate to this country. We have enough criminals in this country already.
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saint ronnie says - by his amnesty actions - that you are wrong about his party
 
justabubba said:
saint ronnie says - by his amnesty actions - that you are wrong about his party
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I did not vote for Reagan. I actually liked Carter back then. I know he made no sense with his plan of energy efficiency putting more spending money in the average persons pocket. He had crazy ideas about cars getting 30, 40, even 50 MPG. Even crazier ideas of better insulated homes along with energy efficient appliances saving people $100.+ a month. But if ever there was a rigging of an election it was the coincidence of the Iran hostages. Hillary lost because no one liked her and the Russians exposed the corruption of the DNC along with Comey grandstanding. However the Countries of the Middle East clearly used oil prices and the hostage situation to assure Carter lost. However Carter like Trump was not popular with the media or the rich and powerful that own them. Look at the Kennedy's as long as the media (owned by the rich and powerful) portrays you in a positive light you can get away with murder.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Meanwhile the economic issues of the OP's statement "for every immigrant being allowed to come here illegally, that's one job being taken away from an American citizen" remain.

The point is, the ideals of some many have changed but the problems have not.
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And yet the republicans have never seriously pursued prosecution of those who hire illegals since Reagan got those laws passed.
 
cwb01 said:
In 1996 Bill Clinton said



I remember back then, when I talked with Democrats about immigration, they would always say that for every immigrant being allowed to come here illegally, that's one job being taken away from an American citizen. So why have Democrats done a 180 on this issue?
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Because they realized that one job taken away is another vote for dependency on the government.
 
CMPancake said:
Because it's been over 20 years and it's perfectly acceptable to grow and change on political issues. International policy like immigration is a dynamic, ever changing issue. Holding the same ideas on an issue that has changed drastically over a 20 year span is a pretty bone-headed thing to do.
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Really? If anything, it should be more true today than ever before. Allowing millions of mostly uneducated, unskilled, non English speaking people to pour over your border, after sending most of your manufacturing industry jobs overseas, seems like a worse idea now than before, for obvious reasons.

1. They compete with low skilled, uneducated blacks and whites for jobs. 2. They work for less, because more often than not, they are also being partially supported by social services entitlements. Therefore depressing wages. 3. They are no longer "migrating" back and forth to Mexico. Now they come and stay. 4. They are costing the already financially stressed American taxpayer, by forcing us to pay for their 3+ kids' educations at $12,000+ per year, per child. 5. Same problem, but involving the surge in healthcare and health insurance costs for American citizens, due to requiring us to pay their familys' healthcare. 6. Increased local and state tax burden to citizens, due to all the many everyday costs relating to 11-22 million additional people, including housing costs, infrastructure costs, additional police officers, additional public transportation costs etc etc etc.

The ridiculous notion that illegals don't cost taxpayers anything, is obviously wrong when you consider those undeniable costs. That list is even longer...
 
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And yet the republicans have never seriously pursued prosecution of those who hire illegals since Reagan got those laws passed.
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Actually, there were some minor penalties that were assessed to *ahem* a 'few' companies here and there.... Lol. But aside from that failure, I've personally seen the benefits of an ICE investigation. There is a Burger King in Concord Pike in N. Wilmington De. Back in roughly 2007-ish, there were 3-4 Latinos working there, who I saw 3+ days per week when I got breakfast b4 work. I spoke with them every day, and got to know them over a multi-year timeframe.

Then one day in that 2007-ish timeframe, I dropped by for breakfast, but none of them were there. I didn't think much of it, and thought maybe they had the day off. But after 2 more visits, it was obvious they were gone. I asked what was up, and was informed that all of them were illegal immigrants, and had been caught by ICE. I had assumed they were all legal, because of it being a high visibility workplace. One guy was day manager!

Anyway, as a result of their removal, the black guy named Maurice who had been there supporting his wife and 3 kids, was given a promotion to that vacant manager position, and a raise! The other positions were filled by black folks in a few days. There's your cost/benefit analysis for illegal immigration.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Because they realized that one job taken away is another vote for dependency on the government.
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Some times it seems that votes for democrats come at the cost of the happiness and success of their constituency.....
 
ModerationNow! said:
Some times it seems that votes for democrats come at the cost of the happiness and success of their constituency.....
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The circle of dependency. Just like other addictions.
 
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