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Bitter Divisiveness Today Caused by Obama And Company

haymarket said:
Denial seems to be your strong suit.
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I posted four things: a direction, an observation, a question and an assertion.

Nothing was denied. I'm concerned about your comprehension. Again.
 
Amelia said:
I can name plenty that Obama did wrong, but Republicans were way worse. They were so determined to stop Obama from getting credit for anything that they wouldn't even vote to fund programs for veterans, for example.

That's when this Bush, McCain and Romney voter started realizing how cancerous her party had become.
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Republicans set the stage for sure. That's why I don't understand why Dems are trying to outdo them, having seen all the bs going on for 8 years. Why not do better? Why act worse?
Personally, I don't think it started with Obama, but Bush before him. Obama just kept peeling the scab of wounds that might have healed.
 
Lovebug said:
Republicans set the stage for sure. That's why I don't understand why Dems are trying to outdo them, having seen all the bs going on for 8 years. Why not do better? Why act worse?
Personally, I don't think it started with Obama, but Bush before him. Obama just kept peeling the scab of wounds that might have healed.
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I don't agree that Democrats are acting worse.

They tried to get together with Trump and pass some legislation that both sides could say gave them something of value. They even agreed to a sizeable chunk of money to go to Trump's wall. But a couple of far right congressmen blocked the compromise I was thinking of, and Trump flopped on something he had previously agreed to, and tossed in some horrible xenophobic language to boot.

Republicans didn't give Obama nearly that much of an opening to get something done. Trump keeps bringing people to the table and acting like he's willing to play and then tossing all the cards into the air.

Meanwhile Republicans are doubling down on the things they accused Democrats of during the Obama years, such as rushing legislation through before having time to read it, legislation which didn't even had time to be proofread and retyped, and without accepting input from the opposition. Where the Democrats spent months and were accused of not giving people time to read the bill, Republicans spent days, sometimes with less than a dozen contributors in closed door meetings, and literally did not give the rest of their caucus time to read the legislation they were supposed to be voting on.


There's going to be some resistance no matter what. Politicians have to support their ideals and posture for their constituents. But Democrats were willing to work with Trump on some of the promises he made, and Republicans played spoiler for their own legislation.

It didn't help that the GOP legislation was so bad that even Trump called some of it "mean" in between calling the same legislation "wonderful".

That was last year -- when Trump was so desperate for Obamacare legislation he would have signed anything.


On the matter of immigration, GOP lawmakers are afraid to pass a bill because they can't take Trump's word on what he has said he will sign, and they don't want to be on record having voted for any compromises which can be used against them in primaries, with potentially Trump being one of the people who would use the vote against them even though the day before the vote he had told them to make the vote and he would sign it.





Short version: Democrats have tried to work with Trump but Republicans blocked it. And Trump is so mercurial that now Republicans are afraid to even schedule a vote on legislation because they don't know if he'll sign things he said he would sign.
 
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code1211 said:
I posted four things: a direction, an observation, a question and an assertion.

Nothing was denied. I'm concerned about your comprehension. Again.
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Denial is a powerful thing as your posts demonstrate.
 
MrWonderful said:
The bitter divisiveness across the United States can be laid at the doorstep of Barack Obama and all his henchmen, from the top down.

A Pew Research Poll shows divisiveness at 46% in 2009. Under Obama, that divisiveness increased to 86%.
President Trump had NOTHING to do with it. Obama and his Democrats had everything to do with it, particularly when he promised to unite us under his *brilliant* leadership.

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While I totally believe that the left have gone off the rails with their hatred, they are only extending what the right did to the left while Obama was president. The left now want to prove that they can be far better at divisiveness than the right, but, your post doesn't account for the fact that many on the right couldn't stand the fact that we had a black president and were actually the ones who were divisive in your 2009 poll, not the left. Just because Obama was president at the time doesn't mean that he gets credit for the right's divisiveness.
 
Moderate Right said:
While I totally believe that the left have gone off the rails with their hatred, they are only extending what the right did to the left while Obama was president. The left now want to prove that they can be far better at divisiveness than the right, but, your post doesn't account for the fact that many on the right couldn't stand the fact that we had a black president and were actually the ones who were divisive in your 2009 poll, not the left. Just because Obama was president at the time doesn't mean that he gets credit for the right's divisiveness.
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Then you will have no problem naming an organization of "the right" which is equivalent to Antifa. Name that organization, during Obama's failed 8 years, that rioted, and beat up Obama supporters.

Name movie stars who threatened Obama's life. Provide links and references.

What restaurant threw out Obama staff members, refusing to serve them? Name it!

You can't, because you made the whole thing up.

The 46% to 86% divisiveness metric all happened during Obama's miserable reign. All 40% of that increase. HE divided us more than ever. Now his and Hillary's followers are pushing it further, with Antifa, with threats, with bullying, with hate and insanity, from the highest levels.
 
Linc said:
This started with the TEA cucksters on election night 2008.
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Tea Party did NOT wear masks like Leftists cowards do today.
Tea Party did NOT close freeways and streets like Leftist cowards do today.
Tea Party did NOT beat people up and burn cars like Leftist cowards have done repeatedly.

Eric Clanton, former junior college lecturer, returns to Berkeley Superior Court on August 8 for attempted murder of a Trump supporter, while wearing the mask of a coward.
Name a Tea Party member who was tried for murder, or even a lesser serious assault charge, and provide a link to verify your claim.

Pathetic attempt, yours. Pathetic.
 
Black man elected President hurt the southerners more than we knew.

Wasn't it right-wing media that attack Obama 24/7 with birther, muslim, and on and on? I wonder where those rubes got their divisive information. Hmmm.

(not really thinking, we already know).

Carry on with your divisiveness post!
 
Kal'Stang said:
Actually I don't think that is what was the major contributor. It might have had some effect but I don't think its near close to the top. Obama had a habit of supporting things that he shouldn't have. Like saying that if he'd had a son he'd look like Trayvon. Giving support to the BLM even after it was found out how much they lied or used false/misleading statistics while essentially ****ting on cops.

All that said, Trump certainly hasn't made things any better that is for sure. And that graph is being misused by MrWonderful and has lied about what it actually says. The 86% he cites is in 2017. The graph doesn't say when in 2017 it was made and since MrWonderful didn't provide a link it is not possible to find out when it came out unless you search the Pew Research site. In addition to that even if it was at the beginning of 2017 that still leaves a full year (all of 2016) in which Trump was campaigning and being elected. Saying all the crap that he said contributed to that 86%. If the poll was taken at the end of each year then that would be two full years in which Trump has had an influence on that 86%. All of that is of course under the assumption that either one (Obama or Trump) is solely responsible for the divisiveness. Reality shows that they are not solely responsible. A contributing factor certainly. But not the sole factor.

In the end, what that graph ACTUALLY shows is that the divisiveness between Americans has risen. It does not show how or why it has risen. It does not attribute blame to anyone. It simply shows that divisiveness has grown in the US. Period. That's it.
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If Obama's presidency has taught me nothing else, it's taught me that one's perspective often differ across racial lines. This country still has people who don't grasp how our nation's 44th President was in a no-win situation where the killing of Treyvon Martin was concerned.

The man was POTUS! Black men both young and old were dying at the hands of people in authority both real and imagined. If he said nothing, Black people would believe he was afraid to stand with them in their moment of national mourning over one of their own. If he said anything, he'd be crucified by White America who still have a problem showing empathy for a life lost that doesn't quite look like one of them.

As such, Obama choose to play this tragic death down the middle by showing empathy to Black Americans in saying "if I had a son he'd look just like Treyvon" while also attempting to explain to White American why this death hurt the hearts of so many Black people all across the country. He wasn't playing the race card, but unfortunately to this day too many White people still don't get it - how this country has a long, troubled history of race relations dating back to before this nation was born and how people in authority with power have abused that power to kill and not be held accountable for said death. It doesn't matter that George Zimmerman was of Hispanic decent - the clear hypocrisy being that White America has embraced fair-skinned Hispanics who look more White than (Brown) Hispanic since the '80s, so much so that many Hispanics - male and female - have married into White families than staying with their own. Yet, the irony here is today White America hates anyone of Hispanic (Brown) decent and yet when Zimmerman killed a Black kid White America fully embraced him despite going out of their way to make it clear that Zimmerman wasn't White. But that didn't stop many White people from championing a killer. HYPOCRITES!

I clearly understood what Obama was trying to do - play both sides in an effort to bridge the racial divide. Unfortunately, not many White people got it. Instead, he was slapped with "playing the race card" at a point in time where so many Black men were being killed seemingly for no other reason than the mere fact that they were Black.

As to Trump, it's not so much his supporters who have made things worse. It's those who are in positions of power and influence - politicians and those in certain media circles - who spew racial hatred and use their platform as an echo chamber of fear-mongering and racial divisiveness. They give an even bigger license to this evil con-artist by the name of Donald J. Trump, Sr, our nation's 45 POTUS, to spread racial hated further still. He may claim he's doing this or that to save a nation, but truth is he's doing it to save White America. And Obama was the racist one...yeah, right.
 
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Objective Voice said:
If Obama's presidency has taught me nothing else, it's taught me that one's perspective often differ across racial lines. This country still has people who don't grasp how our nation's 44th President was in a no-win situation where the killing of Treyvon Martin was concerned.

The man was POTUS! Black men both young and old were dying at the hands of people in authority both real and imagined. If he said nothing, Black people would believe he was afraid to stand with them in their moment of national mourning over one of their own. If he said anything, he'd be crucified by White America who still have a problem showing empathy for a life lost that doesn't quite look like one of them.

As such, Obama choose to play this tragic death down the middle by showing empathy to Black Americans in saying "if I had a son he'd look just like Treyvon" while also attempting to explain to White American why this death hurt the hearts of so many Black people all across the country. He wasn't playing the race card, but unfortunately to this day too many White people still don't get it - how this country has a long, troubled history of race relations dating back to before this nation was born and how people in authority with power have abused that power to kill and not be held accountable for said death. It doesn't matter that George Zimmerman was of Hispanic decent - the clear hypocrisy being that White America has embraced fair-skinned Hispanics who look more White than (Brown) Hispanic since the '80s, so much so that many Hispanics - male and female - have married into White families than staying with their own. Yet, the irony here is today White America hates anyone of Hispanic (Brown) decent and yet when Zimmerman killed a Black kid White America fully embraced him despite going out of their way to make it clear that Zimmerman wasn't White. But that didn't stop many White people from championing a killer. HYPOCRITES!

I clearly understood what Obama was trying to do - play both sides in an effort to bridge the racial divide. Unfortunately, not many White people got it. Instead, he was slapped with "playing the race card" at a point in time where so many Black men were being killed seemingly for no other reason than the mere fact that they were Blacks.

As to Trump, it's not so much his supporters who have made things worse. It's those who are in positions of power and influence - politicians and those in certain media circles - who spew racial hatred and use their platform as an echo chamber of fear-mongering and racial divisiveness. They give an even bigger license to this evil con-artist by the name of Donald J. Trump, Sr, our nation's 45 POTUS, to spread racial hated further still. He may claim he's doing this or that to save a nation, but truth is he's doing it to save White America. And Obama was the racist one...yeah, right.
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Mister, you make Alabama proud.
I'm serious.

Hat tip to you.
 
Objective Voice said:
If Obama's presidency has taught me nothing else, it's taught me that one's perspective often differ across racial lines. This country still has people who don't grasp how our nation's 44th President was in a no-win situation where the killing of Treyvon Martin was concerned.

The man was POTUS! Black men both young and old were dying at the hands of people in authority both real and imagined. If he said nothing, Black people would believe he was afraid to stand with them in their moment of national mourning over one of their own. If he said anything, he'd be crucified by White America who still have a problem showing empathy for a life lost that doesn't quite look like one of them.

As such, Obama choose to play this tragic death down the middle by showing empathy to Black Americans in saying "if I had a son he'd look just like Treyvon" while also attempting to explain to White American why this death hurt the hearts of so many Black people all across the country. He wasn't playing the race card, but unfortunately to this day too many White people still don't get it - how this country has a long, troubled history of race relations dating back to before this nation was born and how people in authority with power have abused that power to kill and not be held accountable for said death. It doesn't matter that George Zimmerman was of Hispanic decent - the clear hypocrisy being that White America has embraced fair-skinned Hispanics who look more White than (Brown) Hispanic since the '80s, so much so that many Hispanics - male and female - have married into White families than staying with their own. Yet, the irony here is today White America hates anyone of Hispanic (Brown) decent and yet when Zimmerman killed a Black kid White America fully embraced him despite going out of their way to make it clear that Zimmerman wasn't White. But that didn't stop many White people from championing a killer. HYPOCRITES!

I clearly understood what Obama was trying to do - play both sides in an effort to bridge the racial divide. Unfortunately, not many White people got it. Instead, he was slapped with "playing the race card" at a point in time where so many Black men were being killed seemingly for no other reason than the mere fact that they were Black.

As to Trump, it's not so much his supporters who have made things worse. It's those who are in positions of power and influence - politicians and those in certain media circles - who spew racial hatred and use their platform as an echo chamber of fear-mongering and racial divisiveness. They give an even bigger license to this evil con-artist by the name of Donald J. Trump, Sr, our nation's 45 POTUS, to spread racial hated further still. He may claim he's doing this or that to save a nation, but truth is he's doing it to save White America. And Obama was the racist one...yeah, right.
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When were “so many” black men getting killed for no other reason than that they were black?
 
X Factor said:
When were “so many” black men getting killed for no other reason than that they were black?
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You missed the part where I said "seemingly". But this is an example of how people jump straight to their defensive racial positions before fully comprehending what was said. Still, I can understand how easily my comment could be taken out of context. It's kinda like Pres. Trump saying "there were bad people on both sides". While that may have been true, none were as bad as the White Nationalist who beat a Black man in a parking garage or killed a White woman by means of vehicular homicide. Those folks weren't racist, however. They were just "bad people" amidst a larger group of bad acting bad people. :roll:
 
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X Factor said:
Why are you totally ok with cops being assumed to be racist killers if that might not actually be the case?
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Was Zimmerman a cop? Of course not.

Was every Black person who was killer or mistreated by law enforcement deserving of death or abuse? No, of course not. And yet, many Black people have died a wrongful death at the hands of law enforcement. Why?

Did these cops believe their lives were truly in danger or did they just get pissed off that a Black person dared to not comply with their abusive, intrusive tactics?

I'm in no way saying that every Black people who has been shot and killed or harshly handled by police were innocent victims. I'm sure some did do something to deserve to be shot or handled "with extreme prejudice". But even you have to admit that some of the people who have suffered brutality or lost their lives at the hands of cops didn't deserve it especially when the worst thing they did was stand up for themselves, i.e., talk back to authority, know their rights and not comply while standing up for said rights.

Incident people on both sides of the color line are being mistreated by police who overstep their position of power everyday and these cops too often get away with it. Yes, it happens to White people, too, but it seems to happen to Black people far too often who in many cases are no threat to police. They may not fully comply with them, but if they aren't a threat why take such abusive action or worse - kill them?

Non-compliance shouldn't be a license to abuse or kill. But I digress because police brutality isn't the thread topic I'm in no mood to re-litigate the issue being that it's been discussed to death (no pun intended).
 
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MrWonderful said:
Then you will have no problem naming an organization of "the right" which is equivalent to Antifa. Name that organization, during Obama's failed 8 years, that rioted, and beat up Obama supporters.

Name movie stars who threatened Obama's life. Provide links and references.

What restaurant threw out Obama staff members, refusing to serve them? Name it!

You can't, because you made the whole thing up.

The 46% to 86% divisiveness metric all happened during Obama's miserable reign. All 40% of that increase. HE divided us more than ever. Now his and Hillary's followers are pushing it further, with Antifa, with threats, with bullying, with hate and insanity, from the highest levels.
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Now, now. Calm down. Many on the right were out to make Obama a one term president, anyway they could, especially by being obstructionists. Many on the far right pushed the birther nonsense. And I read many a post here on DP where it was quite obvious that the main reason they were against Obama was mostly because he was black. Of course, both sides can pick out examples here and there to back up their argument. There are nuts on both sides. The way I see it, divisiveness grew more while Obama was president because of the right, not because of the left BUT now the left believes that turnabout is fair play and that ever since Trump was elected president, they are out to prove that they are far better at being divisive than the right was during Obama's presidency. The left have gone bat crazy with rabies in not accepting a Trump presidency.
 
Moderate Right said:
Now, now. Calm down. Many on the right were out to make Obama a one term president, anyway they could, especially by being obstructionists. Many on the far right pushed the birther nonsense. And I read many a post here on DP where it was quite obvious that the main reason they were against Obama was mostly because he was black. Of course, both sides can pick out examples here and there to back up their argument. There are nuts on both sides. The way I see it, divisiveness grew more while Obama was president because of the right, not because of the left BUT now the left believes that turnabout is fair play and that ever since Trump was elected president, they are out to prove that they are far better at being divisive than the right was during Obama's presidency. The left have gone bat crazy with rabies in not accepting a Trump presidency.
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I'm quite calm. The "right" did NOT beat Obama supporters. The Left does exactly that today.
The "right" did not encourage the Knockout Game. The Left has been doing that for decades, relentlessly regurgitating their "racism" spew without end.
The "right" did not badmouth policemen. That was Obama and his followers.
The "right" does not have today children singing mantras in grade school, extolling the Great One, Trump. That was the brainwashed Left, years ago, doing what they do in North Korea.

You are quite correct that the Left has gone bat**** crazy. They were on the highway before the last election. It just sped up their journey by a factor of 10.
 
MrWonderful said:
I'm quite calm. The "right" did NOT beat Obama supporters. The Left does exactly that today.
The "right" did not encourage the Knockout Game. The Left has been doing that for decades, relentlessly regurgitating their "racism" spew without end.
The "right" did not badmouth policemen. That was Obama and his followers.
The "right" does not have today children singing mantras in grade school, extolling the Great One, Trump. That was the brainwashed Left, years ago, doing what they do in North Korea.

You are quite correct that the Left has gone bat**** crazy. They were on the highway before the last election. It just sped up their journey by a factor of 10.
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You sir ****ing nailed it.
 
MrWonderful said:
I'm quite calm. The "right" did NOT beat Obama supporters. The Left does exactly that today.
The "right" did not encourage the Knockout Game. The Left has been doing that for decades, relentlessly regurgitating their "racism" spew without end.
The "right" did not badmouth policemen. That was Obama and his followers.
The "right" does not have today children singing mantras in grade school, extolling the Great One, Trump. That was the brainwashed Left, years ago, doing what they do in North Korea.

You are quite correct that the Left has gone bat**** crazy. They were on the highway before the last election. It just sped up their journey by a factor of 10.
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Deliciously delusional comedy gold!
 
MrWonderful said:
I'm quite calm. The "right" did NOT beat Obama supporters. The Left does exactly that today.
The "right" did not encourage the Knockout Game. The Left has been doing that for decades, relentlessly regurgitating their "racism" spew without end.
The "right" did not badmouth policemen. That was Obama and his followers.
The "right" does not have today children singing mantras in grade school, extolling the Great One, Trump. That was the brainwashed Left, years ago, doing what they do in North Korea.

You are quite correct that the Left has gone bat**** crazy. They were on the highway before the last election. It just sped up their journey by a factor of 10.
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As I said, you take selective examples to paint with a very wide brush.
 
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