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Do American conservatives think the US is above the rules that they want other countries to follow?

DifferentDrummr said:
Maybe a "dirty, brown Jewish anti-American communist?" :)
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Those dirty "International Jewish socialist banker types"...
We've seen an awful lot of demonization, othering and scapegoating these last ten years.
 
Bullseye said:
The "all carrot" approach referred to pre-Trump times. Sorry I wasn't clear.
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The US was putting tariffs on Canadian lumber and dumping corn into Mexico long before Trump. Do you think its okay when the US plays dirty on trade?

Why should Canada change its dairy system if the US is going to offer us nothing in return? Canada be foolish to do something for nothing.
 
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Yes_Minister said:
The US was putting tariffs on Canadian lumber and dumping corn into Mexico long before Trump. Do you think its okay when the US plays dirty on trade?

Why should Canada change its dairy system if the US is going to offer us nothing in return? Canada be foolish to do something for nothing.
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So, as usual your argument is "Trump did it, therefore it is bad". Ok, I got it. :roll:
 
Bullseye said:
So, as usual your argument is "Trump did it, therefore it is bad". Ok, I got it. :roll:
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No, my argument is the US plays just as dirty when it comes to trade as other countries, so stop acting like a victim when it comes trade.

Do you think the US should follow the same trade rules that it wants to apply to other countries, yes or no?
 
Colin Powell:

"The United States believes strongly in what you call soft power, the value of democracy, the value of the free economic system, the value of making sure that each citizen is free and free to pursue their own God-given ambitions and to use the talents that they were given by God. And that is what we say to the rest of the world. That is why we participated in establishing a community of democracy within the Western Hemisphere. It’s why we participate in all of these great international organizations.There is nothing in American experience or in American political life or in our culture that suggests we want to use hard power. But what we have found over the decades is that unless you do have hard power — and here I think you’re referring to military power — then sometimes you are faced with situations that you can’t deal with.
I mean, it was not soft power that freed Europe. It was hard power. And what followed immediately after hard power? Did the United States ask for dominion over a single nation in Europe? No. Soft power came in the Marshall Plan. Soft power came with American GIs who put their weapons down once the war was over and helped all those nations rebuild. We did the same thing in Japan.
So our record of living our values and letting our values be an inspiration to others I think is clear. And I don’t think I have anything to be ashamed of or apologize for with respect to what America has done for the world.
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WE HAVE GONE FORTH FROM OUR SHORES REPEATEDLY OVER THE LAST HUNDRED YEARS AND WE’VE DONE THIS AS RECENTLY AS THE LAST YEAR IN AFGHANISTAN AND PUT WONDERFUL YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN AT RISK, MANY OF WHOM HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES, AND WE HAVE ASKED FOR NOTHING EXCEPT ENOUGH GROUND TO BURY THEM IN, and otherwise we have returned home to seek our own, you know, to seek our own lives in peace, to live our own lives in peace. But there comes a time when soft power or talking with evil will not work where, unfortunately, hard power is the only thing that works."
 
Yes_Minister said:
Do American conservatives think the US is above the rules that they want other countries to follow? American conservatives complain about Anti Americanism, but reserve the right to bash other countries at will, seems like they think Americans are only people on Earth allowed to be patriotic. American conservatives seem want want other countries to respect US sovereignty, but reserve the right to interfere with other countries affairs on a whim. They complain about other countries trade practices, but never seem to want to address times the US plays dirty when it comes to trade.
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American conservatives are complete and utter hypocrites. We often do things we demand other countries do not. Do as the US says, not as they do
 
DifferentDrummr said:
You aren't describing American conservatives, who no longer have a voice in the party system. You are describing Trump cultists.
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Sorry, but no. These pieces of **** have been the base of the Republican party for over 40 years now. The so-called conservatives you are speaking of were nothing more than cult leaders who have been replaced by someone even more inline with their bigotry.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
You aren't describing American conservatives, who no longer have a voice in the party system. You are describing Trump cultists.
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American exceptionalism is a concept that Republicans have been toting for a long time ago. Even under supposedly true conservative presidents.

You're trying to get away with a no true Scotsman fallacy. It's not going to work.
 
MrWonka said:
American exceptionalism is a concept that Republicans have been toting for a long time ago. Even under supposedly true conservative presidents.

You're trying to get away with a no true Scotsman fallacy. It's not going to work.
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Exceptionalism was never exclusive to the Trump cult, nor was it ever exclusively a 'conservative' idea.
 
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