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Democrats Roll Out Anti-Corruption Message for 2018

Yeah, whatever, I'm like dead 50-50 on the whole "blue wave" right now. Look in January of 2017, I didn't think that 2018 was going to be a repeat of 2016, but we are slamming face first right into it again. Democrats attack the Left during their primaries and spend much needed money make sure progressives don't win, they continue to take on huge, huge debt with corporate and special interests, and they just don't have the talent for hiding it like Republicans do. Rational objective people understand that you need to understand that you have to show up to the polls to stop Trump and his agenda. Just like in 2016 rational people knew they needed to show up to the polls to stop Donald Trump. And that's the problem.

The only way forward for Democrats is that people who don't vote show up to the polls in 2018 to veto Trump, because lord knows the Democrats are doing their best to not give reasons for people to show up to the polls. That's it. If Independents decide they hate Trump more than they hate the Democrats or if they like their particular Democratic candidate. Because I don't see those Trump supporters dipping off. If that was going to happen, you'd see it in his approvals. So either Democrats win back Millennials and/or they grab Independents. Otherwise, they're going to get destroyed again in 2018 just due to lack of enthusiasm, who's up for election this year, and gerrymandering.

Whoa, whoa.

You of all people _didn't_ think that 2018 was going to be a repeat of 2016?

Despite the way the DNC wagon circled and pushed out Bernie/FDR democrats from its leadership and transition team wholesale immediately after Clinton's loss? Despite this move supposedly being a reinvigoration and reinvention after the primary skewing in Clinton's favour scandalized it?

Unfortunately, there are essentially no surprises in the underhanded conduct and skulduggery of the Democratic Party thus far (the DCCC's incessant, pro-establishment/Clinton camp meddling stands out in particular). Though there seems to be, as of late, a retooling towards running on policy instead of attempting to coast on hatred for Trump, it may be too little too late; in light of the alternative, I am hoping otherwise.
 
Democrats Roll Out Anti-Corruption Message for 2018

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Amen. Donald Trump, his Cabinet, his administration, and the 115th GOP majority Congress have taken Washington-corruption to a whole other level.

And most amazing of all, they are quite open and blatant about it.

Anti-corruption? Oh yeah, this is going to be a hoot!
 
Did you make bail? :2razz:

/jking



You know I got "arrested" four times and only once got to see a judge. They would round us up, load us on a school bus and drive us ten or twenty km away and kick us out. It removed us from the demo and reduced "threat"

The one time we were herded into courtroom. The judge walked in, someone in the rear yelled "stop hitting me", someone else yelled "I'm bleeding" then we all had gripes and demands for medical attention, food, toilet. There were over 100 of us and about ten sheriffs and things got very tense, then the judge banged his gavel, we quieted down sensing he was pissed and he asked a guy in a suit a question I couldn't hear, the judge said a few words and released us all with a lame caution about being lawful in the exercising of our first amendment right, banged his gavel and got up and scurried out of the room.

Pandemonium broke out with some demanding "our day in court" and it looked like the courtroom was going to become a demonstration. I was hungry so we left. I gave the fat sheriff's deputy a wink and said "we'll be back".

What surprised me and my friends was how scared they were. Frightened, you could feel the anxiety from four meters. I was pretty sure the judge had shat himself. We never realized how much we scared them. It was a beautiful lesson to learn as my journalism career was beginning, know that where before we had the power of numbers, we now had the power of the pen as well.

I have few regrets vis a vis my career. I regret not having made it to a war zone, but then I never got a chance. I regretted no doing more activism as a journalist...especially after an incident here, years later while doing a gang on interview with the social services minister about disability rates where I, as a journalist, blew up in anger and asked her "If it's so great why don't you and you family try living this way!" It was a major breech of protocall, a violation of the journalist pledge of non bias, but I never once got **** from anyone about it, and the rates were raised a month later.
 
You know...I'm thinking the **** is going to hit the fan before they can make good use of this pitch. That **** is going to splash all over the Democrats.

The only thing that might be able save them is if they include Obama and his people with their nonsense about Trump. Somehow I don't think they'll be able to throw Obama, Hillary, Kerry and all the rest under the bus. But who knows? The ends justify the means, right?

Huh? What corruption scandal have any of then been charged with?
 
Huh? What corruption scandal have any of then been charged with?

Re-read what I said and then ask the proper question.

If you can't do that, don't bother me...especially with this kind of nonsense.
 
Re-read what I said and then ask the proper question.

If you can't do that, don't bother me...especially with this kind of nonsense.

I wont bother. You talk about corruption in the Obama administration like its common knowledge.

I don’t watch right wing political entertainment.
 
I wont bother. You talk about corruption in the Obama administration like its common knowledge.

I don’t watch right wing political entertainment.

Your choice.

Me? I don't limit myself to one point of view.
 
Democrats Roll Out Anti-Corruption Message for 2018

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Amen. Donald Trump, his Cabinet, his administration, and the 115th GOP majority Congress have taken Washington-corruption to a whole other level.

And most amazing of all, they are quite open and blatant about it.

Huh ?? Is this a Onion piece ? Because as Political strategies go this one of the stupidest things Ive ever read.

Who in the hell is calling the shots at the DNC ? A bunch of imbeciles ? Do they really think the American voter is this stupid ?
 
Whoa, whoa.

You of all people _didn't_ think that 2018 was going to be a repeat of 2016?


It's fair to say that from November 9th 2016 until February 25 2017 (potentially even into July 2017), I was hoping that the overwhelming evidence against their electoral strategies would make even the hardliner Democrats rethink their ways. Unfortunately, as we have begun to learn from reporting by Nomiki Konst, and a small number of others, the biggest issue here is that people simply don't understand the dynamics of the DNC, DCCC, DSCC, and DGA.

Rational individuals would think that the decision-making members of this party would want the party to win; they would be wrong. The consulting firms for the Democratic party are voting members of the party, and it's created grotesque conflicts of interest. If the Democrats lose forever, the consults still make their money, and in fact consults only make money off of particular campaigning methods (e.g. TV/internet ads) and less off of others (door-to-door canvassing). So there's a whole host of very important strategies that they will advise their candidate not to do because they make less money off of it. It also controls their messaging, since the consulting firms don't make money off of candidates who don't show up with 1 million dollars out of the gate, so small dollar, grass-roots funded campaigns are attacked by the DCCC clearly at the behest of the consultants. They also know if these candidates win, they'll tear their claws away from the throat of the DNC, DCCC, etc. There's also a cultural problem, but it's not like these consultants are dumb. They're looking at the same numbers I am. They know they can't **** off Millennials and Bernie voters and win, but they keep on doing it because, at some level, I think the confluence of arrogance, perverse incentives, and cultural disdain for the Left has led them down a hole. The problem is that with Trump, we're getting tossed into that same hole.
 
It's fair to say that from November 9th 2016 until February 25 2017 (potentially even into July 2017), I was hoping that the overwhelming evidence against their electoral strategies would make even the hardliner Democrats rethink their ways. Unfortunately, as we have begun to learn from reporting by Nomiki Konst, and a small number of others, the biggest issue here is that people simply don't understand the dynamics of the DNC, DCCC, DSCC, and DGA.

Rational individuals would think that the decision-making members of this party would want the party to win; they would be wrong. The consulting firms for the Democratic party are voting members of the party, and it's created grotesque conflicts of interest. If the Democrats lose forever, the consults still make their money, and in fact consults only make money off of particular campaigning methods (e.g. TV/internet ads) and less off of others (door-to-door canvassing). So there's a whole host of very important strategies that they will advise their candidate not to do because they make less money off of it. It also controls their messaging, since the consulting firms don't make money off of candidates who don't show up with 1 million dollars out of the gate, so small dollar, grass-roots funded campaigns are attacked by the DCCC clearly at the behest of the consultants. They also know if these candidates win, they'll tear their claws away from the throat of the DNC, DCCC, etc. There's also a cultural problem, but it's not like these consultants are dumb. They're looking at the same numbers I am. They know they can't **** off Millennials and Bernie voters and win, but they keep on doing it because, at some level, I think the confluence of arrogance, perverse incentives, and cultural disdain for the Left has led them down a hole. The problem is that with Trump, we're getting tossed into that same hole.

While I agree with you that the undue influence of consultants is indeed a huge factor governing the behaviour of the alphabet soup of Democrat institutions, particularly as it relates to keeping the budgets of those institutions secretive (they definitely aren't interested in budget transparency, likely because said consultants don't want their payouts being a matter of public record) and cash flowing into their pockets, I think that the latter's actions in thwarting and hedging out Bernie/FDR camp candidates can only be _fully_ explained by a combination of factionalism, donor influence, and consultant string pulling.

Either way, the evidence seems clear that the existing, establishment leadership of the Democratic party, regardless of motive, whether at the behest of donors or consultants (which overlap), or out of a simple desire to retain power within the party/ideological supremacy, is generally not interested in a resurgent FDR wing, and is doing its damned best to stifle and wagon circle them into marginalization, even at the expense of electoral success. Nothing changed immediately after Clinton's defeat and the DNC's disgrace in the way the party conducts business despite a grand dog and pony show of shaking up the latter that ultimately amounted to little, so why would the MO change now? The DCCC's recent meddling just confirms what should be readily apparent.

Now, on the upside, this all isn't to say progress hasn't been made in terms of policy and progressive success, because we have made some in-roads, but this is very much in _spite_ of Dem leadership doing its best to undermine such change.
 
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Who in the hell is calling the shots at the DNC ? A bunch of imbeciles ? Do they really think the American voter is this stupid ?

Yes. Yes. ...and yes.

Democrats saying they're trying to get rid of corruption is like fish trying to get rid of water. I'm not saying republicans are saints, but c'mon...
 
it is up to us voters to keep democrats walking the walk

And you guys have been doing a real bang up job about it so far, I mean no one on the left even thinks there was an ethical problem in the Hillary investigation, let alone corruption, so let me be a little skeptical liberals will suddenly start holding their own accountable for corruption....
 
Well, they did a pretty good job expelling the #MeToo transgressors, whereas the GOP seem to either embrace them or stick with them until the bitter end.

So in general I think Dems may have the upper hand in this, besides just that above.

You mean they did a real good job at betraying their own people with no due process on some fairly specious allegations. The fact that democrats basically rat-screwed their own members with no due process will win them no points with anyone who wasn't already a full on liberal who supported democratic candidates.

Personally I respect people who betray their own on a dime with contempt, not respect.
 
Huh ?? Is this a Onion piece ? Because as Political strategies go this one of the stupidest things Ive ever read.

Who in the hell is calling the shots at the DNC ? A bunch of imbeciles ? Do they really think the American voter is this stupid ?

It's even better then that, because their announcement is political cover for corruption that looks clean, look at this

The new reform component is aimed at the Trump administration and includes policy proposals to rein in the influence of lobbyists and high-powered donors
meaning conservative donors
and to beef up related ethics laws. Included are calls to pass campaign reform laws designed to empower small donors,
Even though Trump had more small donors then Hillary
and to pass a constitutional amendment to overturn the Citizens United Supreme Court decision on political spending.
eliminate the right to free speech
In addition, the plan features proposals aimed at voting rights, safeguarding election infrastructure, and ending party-directed redistricting.

Which means having shadow commissions of college educated "non partisan" members (probably who majored in political science or humanities at public colleges, not saying that might indicate political preference or anything :roll: ) drawing electoral maps instead of the people's elected representatives.

sounds like a great deal for the average american! not...
 
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