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Maher: Trump is Above the Law

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I think that there is a real risk of rupture of the democratic process in the United States. Yes, the checks and balances are no longer working, and our democracy is at bigger risk than people realize.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if everything Maher just said in this video actually happens. Though I do believe Swampy wants to have a televised interview w/Mueller for HUGE ratings



Partial Text: Yahoo | Bill Maher: Congress ‘Wouldn’t Turn on Trump If They Found Out He Was Using the Eternal Flame to Light Farts’ (Video)


We'll see. Although I am cynical as hell, there is no doubt that the time will come when most of the country says, WTF? Trump is THAT bad.
 
I think that there is a real risk of rupture of the democratic process in the United States. Yes, the checks and balances are no longer working, and our democracy is at bigger risk than people realize.

Countries are always at risk of the stupid taking over. Emotions do that.

In this land, it's the old guard desperately clinging to hold on as new ideas and new faces, brown ones, begin to step up and take over. Of course, there will be a blood bath before they cede the reigns. We are only now witnessing the beginning of that struggle.
 
Trump is such a con man and dishonest person that Bernie Madoff is probably having fits of laughter on a daily basis keeping up with the Trump soap opera. Actually it’s probably more like watching the Sopranos.

It’s mind boggling that one of the world’s most unethical business men becomes president. How he’s escaped prison is beyond the imagination.
 
I'm as anxious as everyone else to see the findings of some of the Mueller probe, as well the investigation into Cohen. I also hope to see the Democrats take control of at least one of the chambers of Congress after the elections.

All that said, even if Mueller issues a scathing report, the New York investigation reveals more corruption, and the Democrats do have a blue wave, Trump is going nowhere.

I think Democrats need to stop thinking about impeachment (which admittedly I've thought about myself) and focus more on winning one of the chambers of Congress, so they can shut out Trumps radical agenda once and for all.
 
I think that there is a real risk of rupture of the democratic process in the United States. Yes, the checks and balances are no longer working, and our democracy is at bigger risk than people realize.

....This....
 
Countries are always at risk of the stupid taking over. Emotions do that.

In this land, it's the old guard desperately clinging to hold on as new ideas and new faces, brown ones, begin to step up and take over. Of course, there will be a blood bath before they cede the reigns. We are only now witnessing the beginning of that struggle.

It's not exactly the brown faces who are taking over. Much the opposite, there's been a rise in white nationalism. I understand what you are saying as the last reaction against the take over you are mentioning, but my preoccupation is that the real take over will be one by the extreme right, and they might encroach in power and not let go. See Italy, for example, where a corrupt Berlusconi has been in power forever, and his coalition with nationalist and racist elements has won the last elections again. I'm afraid that we are seeing a sort of crime family take possession of the White House, and the damage might be so profound (because 40% or more of the population blindly supports them) that it might be very difficult to dislodge them.
 
It's not exactly the brown faces who are taking over. Much the opposite, there's been a rise in white nationalism. I understand what you are saying as the last reaction against the take over you are mentioning, but my preoccupation is that the real take over will be one by the extreme right, and they might encroach in power and not let go. See Italy, for example, where a corrupt Berlusconi has been in power forever, and his coalition with nationalist and racist elements has won the last elections again. I'm afraid that we are seeing a sort of crime family take possession of the White House, and the damage might be so profound (because 40% or more of the population blindly supports them) that it might be very difficult to dislodge them.

I think you are over estimating the rise of white nationalism and have a misconception of the right in America. There is no doubt that there is a rise in it and it will continue to grow as long as identity politics continues to be the norm in US politics however there is little support for it now and it would take something pretty drastic to shift enough levels of support for it to gain power in this country. As far as the extreme right you are worried about, the vast majority of the Right want less regulation, smaller government, and ideally decentralizing the federal government to give more power to the states. Even if your worst fears about Trump are legitimate, he will be gone after either his 1st or at most second term.
 
if he took the bribes that it looks like he took and didn't declare them, good luck dealing with the state charges via "above the law."

follow the money.
 
I think you are over estimating the rise of white nationalism and have a misconception of the right in America. There is no doubt that there is a rise in it and it will continue to grow as long as identity politics continues to be the norm in US politics however there is little support for it now and it would take something pretty drastic to shift enough levels of support for it to gain power in this country. As far as the extreme right you are worried about, the vast majority of the Right want less regulation, smaller government, and ideally decentralizing the federal government to give more power to the states. Even if your worst fears about Trump are legitimate, he will be gone after either his 1st or at most second term.

When the whites see themselves become a minority, they will embrace strong government as long as it suppresses the majority.
 
I think that there is a real risk of rupture of the democratic process in the United States. Yes, the checks and balances are no longer working, and our democracy is at bigger risk than people realize.

Checks and balances don't work any longer as for quite a long while those members in congress of the party which holds the presidency have become more part of the administration than of congress. It seems to me that this phenomena has been in place for a good 20 years now. Those in congress of the party that holds the white house have tried to give the president everything he wanted and are willing to defend him no matter what any president does. That check on presidential power is now gone. But of course congress for quite a long time has been ceding their powers to the administration, along to other governmental agencies, institutions, departments etc.

For a long time straight party line votes were very rare in congress. But they have now become the norm. We no longer send our representatives and senators to Washington to represent us. We send them to Washington to represent their political party. If they represented us, those elected leaders in Washington would be voting the way the people of their district want and wish instead of straight party line.

I agree, checks and balances are basically a thing of the past when members of congress forget they are part of the institution of congress and not part of any administration. That they represent a political or a president and not the people back home. The only way to have checks and balances is to have the party which doesn't hold the white house to have control of at least one chamber of congress. Perhaps in November that will happen.
 
Already preparing the spin if Mueller doesn't come up with the desired outcome.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if everything Maher just said in this video actually happens. Though I do believe Swampy wants to have a televised interview w/Mueller for HUGE ratings



Partial Text: Yahoo | Bill Maher: Congress ‘Wouldn’t Turn on Trump If They Found Out He Was Using the Eternal Flame to Light Farts’ (Video)
Too too funny.

You folks just havent yet a true understanding, an appreciation of the ways of our stupendous President, Donald J.Trump.

Just gots to be snatching oneself baldheadedly frustrating to see our dear president accomplishing so much in the span of just over a year. What a lesser, now proven without doubt much lesser, president didnt even try as it was deemed impossible to do in 8, damned str8 could be done in 2 by a guy with dedication...despite a 90+ percent negative press.

So its fascinating, at the same time hilarious.

Best of all is that our dear President has the "stable genius" ability, much in the vein of a GWB juiced up on steroids ...or closer to the bullseye, Sara Palin if she'd gotten elected, to the point of your foaming flummoxed rabidity, to light the fuse of your side's stark raving black hole of higgledy-piggledy confused idealism ( read: post mod madness ) as we watch the disingenuous fireworks openly self immulating in continuously spectacular fashion.

Priceless.

Exhibit 1, the self identifying then self draining swamp, he exposes thru some innate "animmal" cunning. Trump allows, actually in some sense he forces, for example, the media to expose their overwhelming, beyond radical, extreme liberal bias. In the past this was a quite contentious issue, a hard fought, tooth and nail, concept that the liberal media vehemently denied. Of course they were straight down the middle, even handed, just reporting the facts, m'am as those facts truly are... like the true blue good journalists they are and were always meant to be.

Leastways thats what they wanted everybody to believe so to continue with their "news" which was less and less the mere facts but more and more thinly disguised liberal causes dressed up as " facts" and " science".

I.e., the daily " bombshells", so much so the public became shell shocked as the media moved steadily closer to exposing "Putin's puppet"...yet here we are, after endless accusations, allegations, investigaions, intel operatations, leaks, unmaskings...and we still have zero proof that this habitually lying neanderthal did any such thing.

So really fake news has become the reality, nobody believes anything the former papers of record are saying except maybe some of their recipes in the back pages...or if you want your kids to be aware of what trouble porn stars can get you into turn on CNN to get turned off.

Did the same thing with DACA, forced the left to expose their true motivations. They only want DACA as an issue, a cudgel, a stick with which to try to beat, budgeon to Republicans at election time.

And now the left, with their overwrought, spitting mad hatred, an all out defiance of anything everythingTrump, have come out in favor of MS13, motto "rape, control, kill"...they forgot to add torture.

Genius. And so so soooooo entertaining. Joy to watch in constant action. The guy never sleeps so there are always new shoes dropping. Centipedal force of nature.
 
When the whites see themselves become a minority, they will embrace strong government as long as it suppresses the majority.

Hopefully, by that time humans will have moved past the notion of races. Sadly tribalism seems to be so ingrained into the human psyche that I doubt it ever goes away even with the millions of deaths in the 20th century it has caused.
 
Even if your worst fears about Trump are legitimate, he will be gone after either his 1st or at most second term.
Maybe, but that's if he is indeed gone. What I fear is that maybe he won't be. And everybody thinks "that's impossible to happen in America; it only happens in banana republics and African or Asian dictatorships." Well, that's how I used to feel as well, up to very recently. Now I'm just not that sure. And then maybe he will be gone but the crime family-style administration will continue with Ivanka being elected next, which I do find to be a bit far-fetched but at this point, we're getting to a state where one never knows. Like I said, Italy is a Western-style democracy that is a member of the European Union and NATO, and we saw a corrupt politician - Berlusconi - holding the reins of power there for decades. People will yell, "oh Italy has been corrupt for decades with the Mafia and all, and they change prime ministers like someone changes shirts, it won't happen here, we have a very different tradition." Sure, sure, we think it can't happen here, but like I said, maybe it can and we'll be surprised.
 
Hopefully, by that time humans will have moved past the notion of races. Sadly tribalism seems to be so ingrained into the human psyche that I doubt it ever goes away even with the millions of deaths in the 20th century it has caused.

There are more people out there than we want to admit who tie their whole identity to their race, religion and culture. That they will kill to defend that, I have no doubt.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if everything Maher just said in this video actually happens. Though I do believe Swampy wants to have a televised interview w/Mueller for HUGE ratings



Partial Text: Yahoo | Bill Maher: Congress ‘Wouldn’t Turn on Trump If They Found Out He Was Using the Eternal Flame to Light Farts’ (Video)


I always thought that Jon Lovett put it best (I paraphrase): "If Trump fled the country in a miniature submarine and defected to Russia, Republican Congressmen would let him remain President in absentia."
 
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There are more people out there than we want to admit who tie their whole identity to their race, religion and culture. That they will kill to defend that, I have no doubt.

Religion and culture, I would agree with you. I believe the majority of white people (in the US) simply don't tie their identities to being white. For instance, call a white person a racial slur and it is typically met with no response or laughter, however attack their religion or America and you will see a much more visceral response.
 
Maybe, but that's if he is indeed gone. What I fear is that maybe he won't be. And everybody thinks "that's impossible to happen in America; it only happens in banana republics and African or Asian dictatorships." Well, that's how I used to feel as well, up to very recently. Now I'm just not that sure. And then maybe he will be gone but the crime family-style administration will continue with Ivanka being elected next, which I do find to be a bit far-fetched but at this point, we're getting to a state where one never knows. Like I said, Italy is a Western-style democracy that is a member of the European Union and NATO, and we saw a corrupt politician - Berlusconi - holding the reins of power there for decades. People will yell, "oh Italy has been corrupt for decades with the Mafia and all, and they change prime ministers like someone changes shirts, it won't happen here, we have a very different tradition." Sure, sure, we think it can't happen here, but like I said, maybe it can and we'll be surprised.

Well I can't say it will never happen here especially given the growing partisan divide in the US, in fact it is likely inevitable which is why I don't support continually growing the size and scope of the federal government, as the Old saying goes "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". We are certainly moving in that direction but I don't believe we are there yet.
 
Religion and culture, I would agree with you. I believe the majority of white people (in the US) simply don't tie their identities to being white. For instance, call a white person a racial slur and it is typically met with no response or laughter, however attack their religion or America and you will see a much more visceral response.

No. White people only freak out when a black guy becomes president.
 
No. White people only freak out when a black guy becomes president.

If Obama had an R by his name it would have been Democrats that were freaking out. It has nothing to do with race, it is simply partisan politics. Do you think Republicans would be freaking out if a Tim Scott, Larry Elder, or Thomas Sowell were to win the Presidency? Of course not, because they largely agree with them.
 
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