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Rand Paul's stunning last minute flip flop

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Until Monday afternoon Paul said he would vote "no" over objections to Pompeo's foreign policy stances.

Usually hailed as one of the stanchest politicians Rand Paul flipped his no vote to vote yes on Pompeo. It was only until after he spoke w/Trump and Pompeo about concerns he had that about Trump's Iraq War position. Yes, because that's the most pressing issue in the world. Paul has been exposed for the hypocrite that he is once and for all.

Rand Paul's last-minute switch gives Pompeo favorable committee vote | abc7news.com
 
Usually hailed as one of the stanchest politicians Rand Paul flipped his no vote to vote yes on Pompeo. It was only until after he spoke w/Trump and Pompeo about concerns he had that about Trump's Iraq War position. Yes, because that's the most pressing issue in the world. Paul has been exposed for the hypocrite that he is once and for all.

Rand Paul's last-minute switch gives Pompeo favorable committee vote | abc7news.com

He's certainly not his father. I mean, I guess he's still better than most, but end of the day he's a Republocrat and so you have to expect a little Party Loyalty from time to time.
 
The OP uses the term STUNNING to describe the king of flip flops latest misadventure. At this point, it is normal and expected and far from "stunning".
 
The OP uses the term STUNNING to describe the king of flip flops latest misadventure. At this point, it is normal and expected and far from "stunning".

I don't know. He seemed really against Pompeo to me. Then one talking from Trump and he's all good? Trump's got to be the best salesman on Earth.
 
Paul is simply all show and no go.
 
Usually hailed as one of the stanchest politicians Rand Paul flipped his no vote to vote yes on Pompeo. It was only until after he spoke w/Trump and Pompeo about concerns he had that about Trump's Iraq War position. Yes, because that's the most pressing issue in the world. Paul has been exposed for the hypocrite that he is once and for all.

Rand Paul's last-minute switch gives Pompeo favorable committee vote | abc7news.com
If Paul had actually voted no, that would have stunned me. I'm fairly certain Rand Paul has done this same thing before.
 
Paul is simply all show and no go.

Yes and no. All politicians are to some extent. Paul (as every elected politician) realizes that he has an election to deal with. Guessing that his constituents are mostly Trump supporters, it might be both in his and their interest to have changed his vote. He has done good things for Ky. Falling on his nose about something like that might not be worth it.
 
Yes and no. All politicians are to some extent. Paul (as every elected politician) realizes that he has an election to deal with. Guessing that his constituents are mostly Trump supporters, it might be both in his and their interest to have changed his vote. He has done good things for Ky. Falling on his nose about something like that might not be worth it.

So just shut up in the first place then ... don't try to pretend you are the sexy date who is going to make all your dates dreams come true and then claim you have diarrhea and a migraine when you get back to your place. This guy comes up with more excuses to flip flop than most and its time he was called out on it.
 
Yes and no. All politicians are to some extent. Paul (as every elected politician) realizes that he has an election to deal with. Guessing that his constituents are mostly Trump supporters, it might be both in his and their interest to have changed his vote. He has done good things for Ky. Falling on his nose about something like that might not be worth it.

I read somewhere that GOP would have attacked Paul for supporting Obama nominations and not Trump's. So he was a coward.
 
So just shut up in the first place then ... don't try to pretend you are the sexy date who is going to make all your dates dreams come true and then claim you have diarrhea and a migraine when you get back to your place. This guy comes up with more excuses to flip flop than most and its time he was called out on it.

or listen to your constituents.
 
or listen to your constituents.

Do you really for a hot minute believe that he does not know his constituents are mostly tea party type Trumpkins rather than intellectual & ideological libertarians?
 
Yes and no. All politicians are to some extent. Paul (as every elected politician) realizes that he has an election to deal with. Guessing that his constituents are mostly Trump supporters, it might be both in his and their interest to have changed his vote. He has done good things for Ky. Falling on his nose about something like that might not be worth it.

Yes, there are always pluses and minuses in any vote. Always pressure from the leaders of one's own political party to vote the party line along with threats on what will happen if one doesn't. Some politicians, elected officials are strong enough to stand up to this, Collins of Maine, Murkowski of Alaska and to a certain extent McCain.

Strange on how it is those elected officials considered more of a moderate or maverick in McCain that has the guts to stand up to the political party machine. Manchin of West Virginia is another one who will break with his political party at times from the other side.

I have great respect for those who do this. They are voting more in line with the people of their state wishes and wants than their political party. The pressure brought on those who will stand up for the people are enormous when it goes against your political party.
 
Yes, there are always pluses and minuses in any vote. Always pressure from the leaders of one's own political party to vote the party line along with threats on what will happen if one doesn't. Some politicians, elected officials are strong enough to stand up to this, Collins of Maine, Murkowski of Alaska and to a certain extent McCain.

Strange on how it is those elected officials considered more of a moderate or maverick in McCain that has the guts to stand up to the political party machine. Manchin of West Virginia is another one who will break with his political party at times from the other side.

I have great respect for those who do this. They are voting more in line with the people of their state wishes and wants than their political party. The pressure brought on those who will stand up for the people are enormous when it goes against your political party.

These are the ones we should clone.
 
Paul has been exposed for the hypocrite that he is once and for all.

Showing once more how NeverTrumper's are essentially just the flip side of the coin of the MAGA types. This instance "exposes" Paul as a "hypocrite" once and for all is about the same level of ****ty political hot take and idiotic all-or-nothing viewing of situations as those I hear on talk radio and others proclaiming that Paul Ryan is a liberal RINO.

Extremists rarely have a care for nuance or broad views of matters.

In general, I have great respect for Paul's opinions and principles, and also appreciate he has a level of pragmatism which was one of the main issues I had with his father, and given the fact he's had no issue breaking with President Trump on instances in the past I'm keen to believe that there was some level of reasonable assuaging of his worries, either through negotiating something more in line with his principles in the future in return or enough to convince him that his fears are not as significant of a reality.
 
I'm keen to believe that there was some level of reasonable assuaging of his worries, either through negotiating something more in line with his principles in the future in return or enough to convince him that his fears are not as significant of a reality.

Isn't that the very thing that you sent Trump to Washington to stop? Or is backdoor political deals OK since you like Rand Paul?
 
Yes and no. All politicians are to some extent. Paul (as every elected politician) realizes that he has an election to deal with. Guessing that his constituents are mostly Trump supporters, it might be both in his and their interest to have changed his vote. He has done good things for Ky. Falling on his nose about something like that might not be worth it.

He had a choice, stand up or suckup. So sad to see so many Repubs put their interests above our coutry's.

Falling on his nose for something like principles might not be politically helpful, but how much is your self respect worth?
 
Isn't that the very thing that you sent Trump to Washington to stop? Or is backdoor political deals OK since you like Rand Paul?

I have no issue with back door political deals, it’s how politics have worked since pretty much the dawn of time. Negotiations and give and take are part of politics. I’ve stated my appreciation for Rand over Ron numerous times over the years on this forum specifically because he’s pragmatic and willing to bend at times in the name of something better or more likely.

Additionally, I didn’t vote for Trump in the primary (Rubio) or General (McMullin) so I didn’t send him anywhere to stop anything.


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