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Many Republicans aren't ready to back Trump in 2020

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Trump has already started attacking Haley. She doesn't stand a chance.

We are entering a chaotic period, and such situations are impossible to predict. People, including me, usually don't attribute dumb luck when they can attribute success to their brilliance..

The one thing I can promise is that this is going to get even more bizarre. But if stays just bizarre, that would be something of a win, since won't be saluting a Fuhrer Trump, or some such thing.
 
I hope more Republicans will step up and say they will back Trump in 2020. They are backing him now. I want the American public to see them supporting Comrade Trump regardless of the daily lies and stupidity he displays.

I want them in the limelight, for all the world to see, as supporting DJT. I want the narrative to be, that not standing up to him and calling him out, equates to their support for him.

Yeah. Shine the light on them all.
 
I love me some Nikki Haley, but I think Paul Ryan is about the only Republican at this time that I think could reliably run a campaign that'd have at least moderate success of knocking off an incumbent Trump. Solid national infrastructure and favors to call in thanks to his help in house races all across the nation. Significant name recognition. An ability to highlight his differences to Trump, while at the same time has more bonafide credentials of trying to help some of Trump's agenda than most "anti-Trumper. I think he's the guy that could conceivably pull in enough from the moderate wing, the disaffected conservative wing, and the anti-Trump wing, while managing to be benign enough for those who wanted to see Trump supported but aren't necessarily die-hard Trumpers.
 
I love me some Nikki Haley, but I think Paul Ryan is about the only Republican at this time that I think could reliably run a campaign that'd have at least moderate success of knocking off an incumbent Trump. Solid national infrastructure and favors to call in thanks to his help in house races all across the nation. Significant name recognition. An ability to highlight his differences to Trump, while at the same time has more bonafide credentials of trying to help some of Trump's agenda than most "anti-Trumper. I think he's the guy that could conceivably pull in enough from the moderate wing, the disaffected conservative wing, and the anti-Trump wing, while managing to be benign enough for those who wanted to see Trump supported but aren't necessarily die-hard Trumpers.

Thats some truly bad attempted punditry there.

Ryan has shown himself weak, not a true nor even inspiring leader, a back stabber, one that constantly talks from both sides of his mouth. Psssst, he's the establishments guy.

He and McConnell are the posterboys ( at least on our side of the aisle ) of exactly what We, the people, dont want. His leaving is part of a drained DC. That swamp, yano?
 
I love me some Nikki Haley, but I think Paul Ryan is about the only Republican at this time that I think could reliably run a campaign that'd have at least moderate success of knocking off an incumbent Trump. Solid national infrastructure and favors to call in thanks to his help in house races all across the nation. Significant name recognition. An ability to highlight his differences to Trump, while at the same time has more bonafide credentials of trying to help some of Trump's agenda than most "anti-Trumper. I think he's the guy that could conceivably pull in enough from the moderate wing, the disaffected conservative wing, and the anti-Trump wing, while managing to be benign enough for those who wanted to see Trump supported but aren't necessarily die-hard Trumpers.

I seldom disagree with you, but Trump beat about 15 other people just like Ryan in the 2016 primaries. And guess what, the establishment types continued acting just like they did prior to Trump; this time they really showed their contrasting colors by being almost as bad as the Democrats. They showed us what we've known, but now are even more sure about. That's the ESTABLISHMENT is not the "opposing" party against the Democrats that the people have wanted. They didn't get on board with the change, and now are retiring in droves.
 
I seldom disagree with you, but Trump beat about 15 other people just like Ryan in the 2016 primaries. And guess what, the establishment types continued acting just like they did prior to Trump; this time they really showed their contrasting colors by being almost as bad as the Democrats. They showed us what we've known, but now are even more sure about. That's the ESTABLISHMENT is not the "opposing" party against the Democrats that the people have wanted. They didn't get on board with the change, and now are retiring in droves.

Yes, we clearly need the "opposition" party who supports DACA and wants MASSIVE government spending. Forgive me if I'm not going to sit here and act like Trump-style Republicans only represent "opposition" to Democratic policy desires and anyone who isn't Trump-style is "establishment" and clearly just as bad as democrats.

Also, things don't happen in a vacuum and u don't have a short and limited memory. He beat 16 people, and the fact it was 16 people is a major reason for that victory and that's evidenced by him having the lowest level of primary support for any modern Republican nominee.

I'll get into my views on this more when not in my phone, but let me be frank. Individuals like you two are not the type that anyone likely has a chance to win over in a primary against Trump, so your personal views on your own voting habit in such a thjng is rather useless. As is the idea of anyone beating Trump by trying to out Trump Trump. No one has the right make up to actually win over significant Trumo supporters because why go for a counterfeit when you can have the real thing. The question is, can someone adequately run a national campaign well enough to actually compete, and then shen doing so capture enough of the anti Trump vote while turning enough of those in the middle that aren't huge Trump fans but aren't necessarily sold on voting out an incumbent president.




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Screw these rino's. They didn't support him in 2016 either. We the people will decide, unlike the socialist party which stacks the deck with "super delegates".

A question to you lefties...how does it feel knowing that your party is so afraid of your decision making that they need to choose your candidate for you? (although, I can understand this by your choices in the past!)
 
I love me some Nikki Haley, but I think Paul Ryan is about the only Republican at this time that I think could reliably run a campaign that'd have at least moderate success of knocking off an incumbent Trump. Solid national infrastructure and favors to call in thanks to his help in house races all across the nation. Significant name recognition. An ability to highlight his differences to Trump, while at the same time has more bonafide credentials of trying to help some of Trump's agenda than most "anti-Trumper. I think he's the guy that could conceivably pull in enough from the moderate wing, the disaffected conservative wing, and the anti-Trump wing, while managing to be benign enough for those who wanted to see Trump supported but aren't necessarily die-hard Trumpers.

Ryan would be a formidable opponent, but I think he hurt himself with the massive debt and deficit increases.

I still think either Kasich or Huntsman would be a better bet to knock Trump out.
 
Ryan would be a formidable opponent, but I think he hurt himself with the massive debt and deficit increases.

I still think either Kasich or Huntsman would be a better bet to knock Trump out.

Eh, I think Kaisch has the inverse issue that Trump has; absolutely has burnt the bridge with the other side of the base, and has acted in a distasteful and problematic way for those in the middle of the two sides which, which is who the ultimate swing voters will be in a republican primary.

For many, "Never Trump" zealots like Kaisch aren't much better than "MAGA" zealots, just the opposite side of the same unthinking, idiotic coin. No actual principles, no actual pragmatism, no actual desire to form consensus or actually listen to everyone...just a desire to mindlessly scream the same tired cliches and propaganda at all times in the name of the message and crusade, to he'll with anything but that.

I would've voted for Kaisch in 2016 if he was my only other option. In 2020, I'd write in a different name or go with a lesser candidate likely. And I think theres a number of Republicans out there like me, those who don't particularly like or want Trump, but don't see the moronic "RESIST" types who obstinently and often dishonesty oppose and attack anything and everything related to Trump even if at times it means embracing non republican or conservative ideals simply because it would harm Trump.

That's part of why I think Ryan has the potential. Why his opposition at times with Trump will make him no friends with the MAGA crowd, those are unwinnable anyways. However, unlike someone like Kaisch, he can show he actually did make attempts to make the Trump presidency successful and to make some progress on some of the more popular aspects that he was elected for as best he could. Which shows an actual willingness to be pragmatic, to work with ALL sides within the party, and to listen to a very substantial part of the countries desires. At the same time, he can show enough instances of resistance or measures he reigned in to provide a legitimate alternative candidate for those who are deciding my anti Trump.

And, of all the likely candidates, he's likely to have the most established infrastructure to set up a ground game due to the multitude of favors he'll have to call in all across the country due to his robust assisting in house campaigns all over.

You won't find a person on this forum that was a more outspoken and large can of Huntsman, but I think his best chance was 2012 when he was the ideal candidate to run against Obama and then he torpedoed his own candidacy by running arguably the most idioticly bad primary campaign I have ever witnessed. I just don't see any real likely chance he could successfully oppose an incumbent Trump. I'd love to cast a vote from him, but from a political science perspective I can not fathom a realistic avenue leading to a win for him.


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YouGov has a poll out taken 15-17 April 2019 which asked about Trump running for re-election in 2020. The republican base or those who identify with the Republican party 70% said yes, 17% no, 13% not sure. Question 85.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/4l31gznvf1/econTabReport.pdf

That's quite a bit more than the 35% which won Trump the nomination. But the midterms haven't happened yet and that may change a lot of Republican minds. Especially if they take the whipping that seems to be on its way. If the nomination process was held today, there is no doubt in my mind Trump would be re-nominated. But heck, that is 2 years away and as I stated, the midterms haven't happened yet. If the GOP defeat is blamed on Trump, that could change a lot of the Republicans mind about him and re-nomination.

There's more good news for Democrats in that same question, only 25% of all independents want Trump to run again vs. 50% against. The remaining 25% are not sure. Keep in mind one of the big reasons Trump is president today is he won the independent vote over Hillary Clinton. Trump's favorable rating among independents, Question 69A is at 34% with 54% unfavorable. Fairly close to the 25-50 run/don't run in 2020 numbers. Only 18% of independents have a very favorable view of Trump along with 57% of Republicans. 27% of Republicans view Trump somewhat favorable which could easily desert him to support a challenger against him in 2020. A shell shocking defeat in the midterms blamed on Trump could also peel away some of those very favorables.

There are interesting times ahead, for sure.
 
Yes, we clearly need the "opposition" party who supports DACA and wants MASSIVE government spending. Forgive me if I'm not going to sit here and act like Trump-style Republicans only represent "opposition" to Democratic policy desires and anyone who isn't Trump-style is "establishment" and clearly just as bad as democrats.

Also, things don't happen in a vacuum and u don't have a short and limited memory. He beat 16 people, and the fact it was 16 people is a major reason for that victory and that's evidenced by him having the lowest level of primary support for any modern Republican nominee.

I'll get into my views on this more when not in my phone, but let me be frank. Individuals like you two are not the type that anyone likely has a chance to win over in a primary against Trump, so your personal views on your own voting habit in such a thjng is rather useless. As is the idea of anyone beating Trump by trying to out Trump Trump. No one has the right make up to actually win over significant Trumo supporters because why go for a counterfeit when you can have the real thing. The question is, can someone adequately run a national campaign well enough to actually compete, and then shen doing so capture enough of the anti Trump vote while turning enough of those in the middle that aren't huge Trump fans but aren't necessarily sold on voting out an incumbent president.




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I think there were many in the middle that voted for Trump, but just didn't admit it.
 
I’m ready I’m not this Republican who’s hurt because little Ted lost! Donald Trump was tougher than Chris Christie was. Most Republicans like McCain and, Lindsey Graham and etc is a pathetic joke because they think that trump isn’t a good president. They are not going to accept the second election. Honestly, my opinion is despite the whole situation that President trump came with. People want to focus more on his past than the actual political issues. I’m voting for trump because he has done a lot and, he is going to be trump and that’s fine. I don’t think that the Republicans understand that trump got the presidency because he had real issues and, not this abortion and, etc.


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Thats some truly bad attempted punditry there.

Ryan has shown himself weak, not a true nor even inspiring leader, a back stabber, one that constantly talks from both sides of his mouth. Psssst, he's the establishments guy.

He and McConnell are the posterboys ( at least on our side of the aisle ) of exactly what We, the people, dont want. His leaving is part of a drained DC. That swamp, yano?



wow, the world must be ending. This is likely one of the only times I have agreed with you on anything.

Trump owns Ryan & McConnell. Trump owns the GOP. Trump owns every person that voted for Trump in November, 2016.

Trump is like a political Satan; Trump owns all of you mother****ers.
 
wow, the world must be ending. This is likely one of the only times I have agreed with you on anything.

Trump owns Ryan & McConnell. Trump owns the GOP. Trump owns every person that voted for Trump in November, 2016.

Trump is like a political Satan; Trump owns all of you mother****ers.
Wow, I'd ask what have you been smoking...but you inform us.

You so dont know what you are talking about, that is so disconnected from every angle. Its like the mosquito hovering over a jammed packed nudest colony, one hardly knows where to begin.

Upon closer inspection the solitary mosquito realizes that a coven of thirsty vampires has already passed through and there is no there there left.
 
They'll fall in line.

All talk, no spine.
 
Not that it matters any, Trump will not be running, that was clear to me way back in 2015.
 
I think we should probably figure out how to get new candidates to replace McConnell and Ryan without giving those seats up for a possible democratic control because if a democrat is in Charge the senate then waters Dream will come true!


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