Why does the left like to be lied to?

Moderate Right said:

LOL. You are describing decades of politics. It was all the way back in 2016 that Democrats were saying the Republican party was dead and would never be seen again due to the changing electorate. When Trump won the nomination lefties were laughing hysterically at the death of the Republican party. Now you are counting your chickens before you have even made gains. Sure, the minority party almost always gains in the midterms. The bottom line truth is the world always has problems and the country always has problems and when one party is in power and doesn't solve the problems then voters vote in the other party and we keep flip flopping parties because the world and the country are filled with so many problems no one can solve them but both parties arrogantly believe they have the solutions and the other party doesn't. I suggest you take that to heart when you stupidly think that voters have rejected Republican policies in favor of Democratic policies. Right now we are stuck in a gridlock loop where one party plays obstructionist and voters get disgusted because their party isn't doing what it promised, and then we swap poles and the other side does the same thing.

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HowardBThiname said:

All women like to be complimented about their looks, especially conservative women who tend to be more attractive over all than liberal women, although there are certainly exceptions on both sides.

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wellwisher said:

The underlying reason fake news is so popular with the left, is connected to the feminization of the left.

One analogy for the feminized left, is the insecure wife asking her husband, if she looks fat in her new dress. She is not interested in a factual analysis of her weight gain. Nor, is she interested in her husband giving advice to solve her problem. She would get very upset if he said, well you did put on 25 pounds and could use exercise and diet.

Instead, she wants him to say something that makes her feel good, even if he has to use white lies. She would much prefer he said, Dear, you look wonderful in that dress, even more sexy than the day I met you. Or, I thought you lost weight, because of that new dress! Men often lie to women to make them feel good, since cold hard facts are not always warm and fuzzy. Charm is about making someone feel good.

The Democrat party has made their base very insecure about Trump. College age adults need safe spaces to deal with the induced insecurities. Others are very aggressive due to a defensive posture to appease the fear. To them, Trump was going to blow up the world with nukes, make old lades starve, cause the earth to fry and die, etc. This all creates anxiety. Therefore, to appease these anxieties; Do I look fat in this dress, left wing leadership and their allies in the news are expected to tel them things that make feel better. There is nothing to fear, if Trump is gone.

Anything that appears to suggest that Trump is about to go away, will be accepted, since it feels good and appeases the insecurity. Each new scandal is about the fall of Trump, and making the base feel sexy, in their new dress. If the facts reinforce their fear, such as a good economy may result in Trump being reelected, it will be met with suspicion. This is the husband saying, you need to get more exercise. It is better to say, the growing economy is a bubble. that will burst and we will all be safe again.

The question is how do you reach the insecure left, without lying to it? Lying is only a short term solution, and the same anxiety and question will come back, again and again. How do you break the cycle, without lying? Lying will create a loop.

The first step is to make everyone understand the nature of emotional thinking. It has strengths and weaknesses. Emotional thinking stems from maternal instinct and is a way for women to effectively deal with the irrational side of human nature, such as with babies and children. A mother can listen to her child cry, and based on how her child's cry makes her feel, determine the nature of that cry. Babies cry due to distress, frustration, pain, needing diaper change, being tired, being hungry, and just trying to get mom's attention. The mother uses her natural emotional intelligence, to translate subtle variations in cry sound, into feelings, and from these feelings, she knows how to react.

The new mom is just learning and may be overwhelmed by any form of crying. She may need to call her mom, who has developed the emotional skills needed to differentiate the various cries. She teaches her daughter, that not every cry is an emergency. The differences in sound is very subtle, but her brain will learn this emotional language, with time.

From this, I inferred that emotional thinking is optimized in intimate relationships, where subtle differences have time to differentiate. Emotional thinking does not extrapolate well, as we move away from longer term intimate human relationships. Even the new mom has to build up that intimacy with her baby ,before she can translate, anything. As we go toward the general and impersonal, emotional thinking lacks data for the proper differentiation of the seasoned grandma.

The left; male leaders, have tried to extrapolate emotional intelligence, to areas it does not work properly. They are men and what do they know of maternal instincts. This creates anxiety, like with the new mom who can;t tell one cry from the next. She can't depend on herself just yet, but needs someone to make her feel the proper feelings. However, grandmother is not the wise elder matriarch, but the leftist media men; husband. This perpetuate a loop of lies, and short term appeasement, but no real self reliant solution leading to the seasoned mom. Only the seasoned mom knows not all cries are created equal; emotional reasoning begins.

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Vern said:

Of course you agree. But HT, please explain that if liberals prefer fake news how come its only the right that believes the lies. Can you name one that even comes close to the dishonesty of these lies that large percentages, if not majorities, of conservatives believed

President Obama was born in Kenya
His BC a forgery
He wants to kill old people
The stimulus will cause hyperinflation, dollar collapse, market to zero
Tax cuts pay for themselves
The vile and disgusting “stand down” lies

Don’t worry HT, nobody expects an honest answer from you.

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Critter7r said:

Take a trip to any rural, conservative area and a trip to New York or LA and rethink that position.

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A person’s looks affect their politics, with beautiful people leaning toward conservative beliefs, according to findings published by two Midwestern professors.

Good-looking Americans tend to get more credit and admiration than they probably deserve, thanks to their attractiveness, thus steering their political beliefs.

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SouthernDemocrat said:

Are you a big fat liar then? You have certainly told lies in your life, so does that make you a big fat liar?

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jacka said:

"debaters", so called, who begin, end or otherwise utilize "lol" aren't worth the time of day.

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Sampson Simpson said:

Wow, talk about projection. The right voted for Trump. THe right watches Fox news and reads Brietbart. The right believes tax cuts to the rich create jobs. The right believed Iraq had WMDs. Yeah, liberals like to be lied too. What a joke you people are

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HowardBThiname said:

LOL

I don't have to. I said there were exceptions, but, by and large conservative women are more attractive than liberal women.

And, guess what?

Science agrees with me!

https://nypost.com/2018/01/27/science-says-conservatives-are-hotter-than-liberals/

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Vern said:

The left does not like to be lied to. But you're on to something concerning chemistry. And therein lies the difference between democrats and conservatives. conservatives respond to and seek out the lies because of chemistry in their brain. We learned from the NIMH study of conservatism that they respond to hate and fear so lies will always work on them. And that's why the conservative media is always whipping them into a state of hate and panic.

A study funded by the US government has concluded that conservatism can be explained psychologically as a set of neuroses rooted in "fear and aggression, dogmatism and the intolerance of ambiguity".

"This intolerance of ambiguity can lead people to cling to the familiar, to arrive at premature conclusions, and to impose simplistic cliches and stereotypes," the authors argue in the Psychological Bulletin.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/aug/13/usa.redbox

Simply interchange "cling to the familiar" with "cling to conservative narrative" and that last sentence applies to most if not all conservatives at this forum. Case in point. Republicans have repeatedly proven they are flaming lying hypocrites on deficits but you cant find one conservative to admit it. They still think “dems are bad for the deficit”. Facts just don't matter to them.

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wellwisher said:

The underlying reason fake news is so popular with the left, is connected to the feminization of the left.

One analogy for the feminized left, is the insecure wife asking her husband, if she looks fat in her new dress. She is not interested in a factual analysis of her weight gain. Nor, is she interested in her husband giving advice to solve her problem. She would get very upset if he said, well you did put on 25 pounds and could use exercise and diet.

Instead, she wants him to say something that makes her feel good, even if he has to use white lies. She would much prefer he said, Dear, you look wonderful in that dress, even more sexy than the day I met you. Or, I thought you lost weight, because of that new dress! Men often lie to women to make them feel good, since cold hard facts are not always warm and fuzzy. Charm is about making someone feel good.

The Democrat party has made their base very insecure about Trump. College age adults need safe spaces to deal with the induced insecurities. Others are very aggressive due to a defensive posture to appease the fear. To them, Trump was going to blow up the world with nukes, make old lades starve, cause the earth to fry and die, etc. This all creates anxiety. Therefore, to appease these anxieties; Do I look fat in this dress, left wing leadership and their allies in the news are expected to tel them things that make feel better. There is nothing to fear, if Trump is gone.

Anything that appears to suggest that Trump is about to go away, will be accepted, since it feels good and appeases the insecurity. Each new scandal is about the fall of Trump, and making the base feel sexy, in their new dress. If the facts reinforce their fear, such as a good economy may result in Trump being reelected, it will be met with suspicion. This is the husband saying, you need to get more exercise. It is better to say, the growing economy is a bubble. that will burst and we will all be safe again.

The question is how do you reach the insecure left, without lying to it? Lying is only a short term solution, and the same anxiety and question will come back, again and again. How do you break the cycle, without lying? Lying will create a loop.

The first step is to make everyone understand the nature of emotional thinking. It has strengths and weaknesses. Emotional thinking stems from maternal instinct and is a way for women to effectively deal with the irrational side of human nature, such as with babies and children. A mother can listen to her child cry, and based on how her child's cry makes her feel, determine the nature of that cry. Babies cry due to distress, frustration, pain, needing diaper change, being tired, being hungry, and just trying to get mom's attention. The mother uses her natural emotional intelligence, to translate subtle variations in cry sound, into feelings, and from these feelings, she knows how to react.

The new mom is just learning and may be overwhelmed by any form of crying. She may need to call her mom, who has developed the emotional skills needed to differentiate the various cries. She teaches her daughter, that not every cry is an emergency. The differences in sound is very subtle, but her brain will learn this emotional language, with time.

From this, I inferred that emotional thinking is optimized in intimate relationships, where subtle differences have time to differentiate. Emotional thinking does not extrapolate well, as we move away from longer term intimate human relationships. Even the new mom has to build up that intimacy with her baby ,before she can translate, anything. As we go toward the general and impersonal, emotional thinking lacks data for the proper differentiation of the seasoned grandma.

The left; male leaders, have tried to extrapolate emotional intelligence, to areas it does not work properly. They are men and what do they know of maternal instincts. This creates anxiety, like with the new mom who can;t tell one cry from the next. She can't depend on herself just yet, but needs someone to make her feel the proper feelings. However, grandmother is not the wise elder matriarch, but the leftist media men; husband. This perpetuate a loop of lies, and short term appeasement, but no real self reliant solution leading to the seasoned mom. Only the seasoned mom knows not all cries are created equal; emotional reasoning begins.

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Moderate Right said:

I'm just saying that Trump doesn't "lie" any more than any other politician. Both sides also misuse the term "lie".

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SouthernDemocrat said:

If you think Trump doesn't lie more than any other politician, then you have lost all credibility with me.

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wellwisher said:

The underlying reason fake news is so popular with the left, is connected to the feminization of the left.

One analogy for the feminized left, is the insecure wife asking her husband, if she looks fat in her new dress. She is not interested in a factual analysis of her weight gain. Nor, is she interested in her husband giving advice to solve her problem. She would get very upset if he said, well you did put on 25 pounds and could use exercise and diet.

Instead, she wants him to say something that makes her feel good, even if he has to use white lies. She would much prefer he said, Dear, you look wonderful in that dress, even more sexy than the day I met you. Or, I thought you lost weight, because of that new dress! Men often lie to women to make them feel good, since cold hard facts are not always warm and fuzzy. Charm is about making someone feel good.

The Democrat party has made their base very insecure about Trump. College age adults need safe spaces to deal with the induced insecurities. Others are very aggressive due to a defensive posture to appease the fear. To them, Trump was going to blow up the world with nukes, make old lades starve, cause the earth to fry and die, etc. This all creates anxiety. Therefore, to appease these anxieties; Do I look fat in this dress, left wing leadership and their allies in the news are expected to tel them things that make feel better. There is nothing to fear, if Trump is gone.

Anything that appears to suggest that Trump is about to go away, will be accepted, since it feels good and appeases the insecurity. Each new scandal is about the fall of Trump, and making the base feel sexy, in their new dress. If the facts reinforce their fear, such as a good economy may result in Trump being reelected, it will be met with suspicion. This is the husband saying, you need to get more exercise. It is better to say, the growing economy is a bubble. that will burst and we will all be safe again.

The question is how do you reach the insecure left, without lying to it? Lying is only a short term solution, and the same anxiety and question will come back, again and again. How do you break the cycle, without lying? Lying will create a loop.

The first step is to make everyone understand the nature of emotional thinking. It has strengths and weaknesses. Emotional thinking stems from maternal instinct and is a way for women to effectively deal with the irrational side of human nature, such as with babies and children. A mother can listen to her child cry, and based on how her child's cry makes her feel, determine the nature of that cry. Babies cry due to distress, frustration, pain, needing diaper change, being tired, being hungry, and just trying to get mom's attention. The mother uses her natural emotional intelligence, to translate subtle variations in cry sound, into feelings, and from these feelings, she knows how to react.

The new mom is just learning and may be overwhelmed by any form of crying. She may need to call her mom, who has developed the emotional skills needed to differentiate the various cries. She teaches her daughter, that not every cry is an emergency. The differences in sound is very subtle, but her brain will learn this emotional language, with time.

From this, I inferred that emotional thinking is optimized in intimate relationships, where subtle differences have time to differentiate. Emotional thinking does not extrapolate well, as we move away from longer term intimate human relationships. Even the new mom has to build up that intimacy with her baby ,before she can translate, anything. As we go toward the general and impersonal, emotional thinking lacks data for the proper differentiation of the seasoned grandma.

The left; male leaders, have tried to extrapolate emotional intelligence, to areas it does not work properly. They are men and what do they know of maternal instincts. This creates anxiety, like with the new mom who can;t tell one cry from the next. She can't depend on herself just yet, but needs someone to make her feel the proper feelings. However, grandmother is not the wise elder matriarch, but the leftist media men; husband. This perpetuate a loop of lies, and short term appeasement, but no real self reliant solution leading to the seasoned mom. Only the seasoned mom knows not all cries are created equal; emotional reasoning begins.

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What if...? said:

While I largely agree, it is folly, IMO, to think liberals arent susceptible to psychological manipulation.

Persuasion is a science, and it permeates our society.

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wellwisher said:

The underlying reason fake news is so popular with the left, is connected to the feminization of the -

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Vern said:

I cant help but notice that you changed "likes to be lied to" to "psychological manipulation." No one is denying psychological manipulation works on people. A realtor trying to sell you a house will appeal to your emotions but that's not the same as "being lied to" or even "liking it" what would help you calling my response folly would be finding examples of blatant lies that large percentages of if not majorities of democrats believe/believed. See if you can find one thing that comes close to


President Obama was born in kenya
His BC a forgery
He wants to kill old people
the vile and disgusting "stand down" lies

And that last one, in spite of the 8 investigations it caused that repeatedly proved they were lies, conservatives still believe it. I'm sure the numbers are down from 100% when it came out but I still posters here spewing it.

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HowardBThiname said:

I never believed Obama was born in Kenya.
I never believed his BC was a forgery.
I never thought he wanted to kill old people.
I wasn't sure about the effect of the stimulus, but I didn't oppose it.
Depending on what type of cuts, tax cuts CAN pay for themselves. I suppose that's why Obama extended them when he could have ended them.
I'm not sure what you mean about the "stand down" lies. Do you mean "take a knee?"

The lies I'm talking about that the Left believes is every little false tidbit of gossip that comes out against Trump. They act like it's a lifeline -- until it isn't.

I'm sure some on the Right did think the things you cited -- but only a handful.

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vesper said:

Actually the media has a big part in owning Trump. So does the Chamber of Commerce and candidates in the primary that should have quit after SC primary.

The MSM is an arm of the Democratic party. They were in the tank for Clinton as they are for any Democratic nominee of the past. They wanted Trump to win the Republican primary because they saw him as the one Clinton could beat.......in a landslide.

Early on Ben Carson was the favorite and the media immediately went after Carson with one negative story after another before the Iowa caucus by design but then accused Cruz of cheating in the Iowa Caucus by starting rumors that Cruz stole Carson's support which was bogus. Carson's team had started to fall apart weeks before the caucus moving to other candidates' camps because of the number the press did on him leading up to the caucus while giving Trump all the time he wanted on their programs with softball interviews. They also downplayed Cruz's win and praised Rubio for his 3rd place showing as if he had won.

Then after the Iowa caucus and Cruz had won, the press went into overtime attacking Cruz as an extremist and after the NH primary where Trump won, Kasich came in second after camping out for months in NH, Cruz managed 3rd. After NH there were several who dropped out but several more stayed in and they really should have quit but they had forces behind them like the Chamber of Commerce especially to keep Rubio and Kasich in the race because they seen them as siphoning votes from Cruz which they vowed early on to make sure Cruz did not win the primary because Cruz had threatened to shut them down as a lobbying force in Washington calling them corrupt. Carson stayed in too to siphon social conservative votes from Cruz and we all know that during the primary Carson had made a deal with Trump if he should win he would be part of his administration. The Chamber of Commerce were feeding Rubio's and Kasich's coffers to keep them in the race. And Soros and his friends were giving very generous donations to Kasich for the purpose of keeping Kasich in the race to drain anti-Trump votes from Cruz because the left wanted Trump to win. So you had Kasich, Rubio and Carson who hadn't won a darn primary still in the race after SC and continued several states later still losers but by design to kill a Cruz nomination. And the result was a Trump victory.

Up until Trump's win the media was giving Trump all sorts of softball interviews. Morning Joe and CNN comes to mind and after his win that all changed. This is a game played by the MSM every election year. They promote the Republican candidate they feel will be the easiest for the Democrat candidate to knock off. This time they got it wrong. They never anticipated the conservative base would come out in force and support Trump. But they did mainly because of the judiciary and Clinton win would be far worse. And Trump has honored his promise in regard to the judiciary appointments and conservatives are well pleased. They are also pleased with the effort being made to increase border security, tax reform and the slashing of regulations.

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