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Why does the left like to be lied to?

JackA said:
For conservatives to trumpet "the failure of the Left" after the Right has succumbed to the crudity of Trumpism is failing to face up to your own self made disaster.
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What? What about voters voting out over 1000 Democrats in favor of Republicans? Isn't that a failure of the left?
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Wow, talk about projection. The right voted for Trump. THe right watches Fox news and reads Brietbart. The right believes tax cuts to the rich create jobs. The right believed Iraq had WMDs. Yeah, liberals like to be lied too. What a joke you people are
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There goes that broad brush. Many on the right did not vote for Trump. Many on the right do not watch Fox News, Breitbart, etc. What a joke you people are.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
There were 15 candidates. Show me a primary where you got more than a dozen candidates where any candidate wins my more than a plurality.
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So? It doesn't make your (now clearly) purposeful disregard of crucial context any less dishonest.

The Republican Party owns Trump. I am certain ya'll will try to disown him once he is out of office, but y'all own him.
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I'm not a Republican and I didn't vote for him, so I have nothing to "disown." I never "owned."
 
independentusa said:
This from the conservatives who watch Fox News and listen to Limbaugh on the radio. We call those the homes of fake news. And in the end you voted for the president who lies more than any other politico ever has. Yeah, liberals are the ones who follow fake news, NOT>
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Most all media is fake news. Fox, Breitbart, Limbaugh, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC. It's pretty much all fake news. The left just refuses to acknowledge their side's fake news.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
If it is your contention that Trump lies less than Obama, or any other former president for that matter, than I will never take anything you say on this forum seriously again.
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I'm saying that they all lie. So, it is dishonest to paint Trump as a serial liar and implying that he is different than anyone else.
 
Ikari said:
Ahh, so it's OK for Trump to be a big fat liar because Obama was too.

This is why we can't have nice things.
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I never said that. I'm saying that it is dishonest of the left to claim that Trump is a big liar while implying that others are not.
 
Moderate Right said:
I'm saying that they all lie. So, it is dishonest to paint Trump as a serial liar and implying that he is different than anyone else.
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That is like excusing a psychopath by saying that everyone thinks bad things about others sometimes. Sure, everyone lies. However, there is a difference between someone that lies several times a day, about big things, small things, and things there is no point in even lying about, and everyone else.
 
Moderate Right said:
I never said that. I'm saying that it is dishonest of the left to claim that Trump is a big liar while implying that others are not.
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You're making excuses and deflections. But it's no surprise. Republocrats can really only point to the other side and say "well they do it too". No ownership of an issue or condemnation for one's own side when they act poorly. Just "the other side does it too" excuses.

lol
 
Harshaw said:
So? It doesn't make your (now clearly) purposeful disregard of crucial context any less dishonest.



I'm not a Republican and I didn't vote for him, so I have nothing to "disown." I never "owned."
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As far as I am concerned, if you rationalize for him, than you own him. He is absolutely despicable human being that got more Republican Primary votes than any candidate in history. He is an absolutely despicable human being that still enjoys broad support among the Republican base. He is an absolutely despicable human being that got a higher percentage of the conservative evangelical vote than any candidate in history.

And I will point out that to argue that Trump had more people voting against him in the primaries while glossing over the fact that it was a huge field of candidates and that is always the case in a huge field of candidates, is the height of intellectual dishonesty. Hillary Clinton got more primary votes than Obama did in 2008 (17,822,145 to his 17,535,458), does that mean that Democrats were not big supporters of Obama?
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
As far as I am concerned, if you rationalize for him, than you own him.
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I've never "rationalized" anything for him.

All I did here is state the numbers, which was actually a statement against him.


And I will point out that to argue that Trump had more people voting against him in the primaries while glossing over the fact that it was a huge field of candidates and that is always the case in a huge field of candidates, is the height of intellectual dishonesty.
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Not when you're trying to argue that Republicans overwhelmingly supported Trump in the primaries, which is what you were trying to do by saying he got a record number of votes for him. He got less than 45% of the total vote.

Hillary Clinton got more primary votes than Obama did in 2008 (17,822,145 to his 17,535,458), does that mean that Democrats were not big supporters of Obama?
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This attempted analogy is entirely inapt.
 
Moderate Right said:
What? What about voters voting out over 1000 Democrats in favor of Republicans? Isn't that a failure of the left?
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It was a series of failures by the Democratic Party. Some of it was a retreat from the Left, some of it wasn't. You may have noticed Democrats are recapturing lost ground at a nice pace. From a conservative's standpoint, however, the overriding question should be your own future, not the Left's. Where does the Right go after Trump, who has reduced the Right to a personality cult. What happens when the personality is gone and you are left with the havoc in having made jokes of fiscal responsibility and family values, two of your former bedrock principles, and the damage done to respect for American institutions (including those in "The Deep State" you never heard of until a year or two ago), which Trump derides with daily tweets. Whereto after Trump, aka?
 
JackA said:
It was a series of failures by the Democratic Party. Some of it was a retreat from the Left, some of it wasn't. You may have noticed Democrats are recapturing lost ground at a nice pace. From a conservative's standpoint, however, the overriding question should be your own future, not the Left's. Where does the Right go after Trump, who has reduced the Right to a personality cult. What happens when the personality is gone and you are left with the havoc in having made jokes of fiscal responsibility and family values, two of your former bedrock principles, and the damage done to respect for American institutions (including those in "The Deep State" you never heard of until a year or two ago), which Trump derides with daily tweets. Whereto after Trump, aka?
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why the **** would they care about fiscal responsibility & family values? They have the Trump lies to make them 'feel good'

Trump signed a MASSIVE budget that he said he wouldn't sign that will create a HUGE deficit.
After signing it he now says he won't sign another one like it. LOL

Trump's stance on family values is pretty much, cheat on all of your wives, grab lots of ***** no matter whose ***** it is, brag about grabbing the *****, **** the hired help & porn stars, and America will vote for those types of family values!!!
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
There were 15 candidates. Show me a primary where you got more than a dozen candidates where any candidate wins my more than a plurality.

The Republican Party owns Trump. I am certain ya'll will try to disown him once he is out of office, but y'all own him. You had a big field of candidates and he got more primary votes than any of the others and more primary votes than any other Republican candidate in history. Ya'll own him. Moreover, ya'll are the only ones in the country that support him today. He is your guy. He is Mr. Republican, and that is how every history book will record it.
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Actually the media has a big part in owning Trump. So does the Chamber of Commerce and candidates in the primary that should have quit after SC primary.

The MSM is an arm of the Democratic party. They were in the tank for Clinton as they are for any Democratic nominee of the past. They wanted Trump to win the Republican primary because they saw him as the one Clinton could beat.......in a landslide.

Early on Ben Carson was the favorite and the media immediately went after Carson with one negative story after another before the Iowa caucus by design but then accused Cruz of cheating in the Iowa Caucus by starting rumors that Cruz stole Carson's support which was bogus. Carson's team had started to fall apart weeks before the caucus moving to other candidates' camps because of the number the press did on him leading up to the caucus while giving Trump all the time he wanted on their programs with softball interviews. They also downplayed Cruz's win and praised Rubio for his 3rd place showing as if he had won.

Then after the Iowa caucus and Cruz had won, the press went into overtime attacking Cruz as an extremist and after the NH primary where Trump won, Kasich came in second after camping out for months in NH, Cruz managed 3rd. After NH there were several who dropped out but several more stayed in and they really should have quit but they had forces behind them like the Chamber of Commerce especially to keep Rubio and Kasich in the race because they seen them as siphoning votes from Cruz which they vowed early on to make sure Cruz did not win the primary because Cruz had threatened to shut them down as a lobbying force in Washington calling them corrupt. Carson stayed in too to siphon social conservative votes from Cruz and we all know that during the primary Carson had made a deal with Trump if he should win he would be part of his administration. The Chamber of Commerce were feeding Rubio's and Kasich's coffers to keep them in the race. And Soros and his friends were giving very generous donations to Kasich for the purpose of keeping Kasich in the race to drain anti-Trump votes from Cruz because the left wanted Trump to win. So you had Kasich, Rubio and Carson who hadn't won a darn primary still in the race after SC and continued several states later still losers but by design to kill a Cruz nomination. And the result was a Trump victory.

Up until Trump's win the media was giving Trump all sorts of softball interviews. Morning Joe and CNN comes to mind and after his win that all changed. This is a game played by the MSM every election year. They promote the Republican candidate they feel will be the easiest for the Democrat candidate to knock off. This time they got it wrong. They never anticipated the conservative base would come out in force and support Trump. But they did mainly because of the judiciary and Clinton win would be far worse. And Trump has honored his promise in regard to the judiciary appointments and conservatives are well pleased. They are also pleased with the effort being made to increase border security, tax reform and the slashing of regulations.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
If it is your contention that Trump lies less than Obama, or any other former president for that matter, than I will never take anything you say on this forum seriously again.
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They all lie, that is the point.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
That is like excusing a psychopath by saying that everyone thinks bad things about others sometimes. Sure, everyone lies. However, there is a difference between someone that lies several times a day, about big things, small things, and things there is no point in even lying about, and everyone else.
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Thanks for the admission that Obama was indeed a big fat liar.
 
Ikari said:
You're making excuses and deflections. But it's no surprise. Republocrats can really only point to the other side and say "well they do it too". No ownership of an issue or condemnation for one's own side when they act poorly. Just "the other side does it too" excuses.

lol
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Just as your side is currently saying the other side does it too.
 
What if...? said:
For the same reason the right likes to be lied to.
Neurochemical rewards for following.
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The left does not like to be lied to. But you're on to something concerning chemistry. And therein lies the difference between democrats and conservatives. conservatives respond to and seek out the lies because of chemistry in their brain. We learned from the NIMH study of conservatism that they respond to hate and fear so lies will always work on them. And that's why the conservative media is always whipping them into a state of hate and panic.

A study funded by the US government has concluded that conservatism can be explained psychologically as a set of neuroses rooted in "fear and aggression, dogmatism and the intolerance of ambiguity".

"This intolerance of ambiguity can lead people to cling to the familiar, to arrive at premature conclusions, and to impose simplistic cliches and stereotypes," the authors argue in the Psychological Bulletin.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/aug/13/usa.redbox

Simply interchange "cling to the familiar" with "cling to conservative narrative" and that last sentence applies to most if not all conservatives at this forum. Case in point. Republicans have repeatedly proven they are flaming lying hypocrites on deficits but you cant find one conservative to admit it. They still think “dems are bad for the deficit”. Facts just don't matter to them.
 
HowardBThiname said:
While I agree that the Left seems to prefer fake news to factual news, the above example is off-the-charts wrong. So wrong!
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Of course you agree. But HT, please explain that if liberals prefer fake news how come its only the right that believes the lies. Can you name one that even comes close to the dishonesty of these lies that large percentages, if not majorities, of conservatives believed

President Obama was born in Kenya
His BC a forgery
He wants to kill old people
The stimulus will cause hyperinflation, dollar collapse, market to zero
Tax cuts pay for themselves
The vile and disgusting “stand down” lies

Don’t worry HT, nobody expects an honest answer from you.
 
tres borrachos said:
The left doesn't support Trump, so it appears that your entire premise is wrong. If they liked being lied to, they would be Trump supporters.

The rest of your post screams "I am a misogynist!"

What an embarrassing thread fail for you, OP.
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But the womenz!
 
JackA said:
It was a series of failures by the Democratic Party. Some of it was a retreat from the Left, some of it wasn't. You may have noticed Democrats are recapturing lost ground at a nice pace. From a conservative's standpoint, however, the overriding question should be your own future, not the Left's. Where does the Right go after Trump, who has reduced the Right to a personality cult. What happens when the personality is gone and you are left with the havoc in having made jokes of fiscal responsibility and family values, two of your former bedrock principles, and the damage done to respect for American institutions (including those in "The Deep State" you never heard of until a year or two ago), which Trump derides with daily tweets. Whereto after Trump, aka?
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LOL. You are describing decades of politics. It was all the way back in 2016 that Democrats were saying the Republican party was dead and would never be seen again due to the changing electorate. When Trump won the nomination lefties were laughing hysterically at the death of the Republican party. Now you are counting your chickens before you have even made gains. Sure, the minority party almost always gains in the midterms. The bottom line truth is the world always has problems and the country always has problems and when one party is in power and doesn't solve the problems then voters vote in the other party and we keep flip flopping parties because the world and the country are filled with so many problems no one can solve them but both parties arrogantly believe they have the solutions and the other party doesn't. I suggest you take that to heart when you stupidly think that voters have rejected Republican policies in favor of Democratic policies. Right now we are stuck in a gridlock loop where one party plays obstructionist and voters get disgusted because their party isn't doing what it promised, and then we swap poles and the other side does the same thing.
 
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