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Is "Progressive" code for Communist?

HowardBThiname said:
Some conservative DO oppose those things, but that's just their opinion. I consider myself to be semi-conservative and I support all of those things. It's when they try to RESTRICT others that the problems start.

Progressives try to restrict the opinions of those who do not agree with the things you listed. They want to shut them up.

That's not liberal in the least -- that's backwards -- or as I said, "regressive."
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lol...nope, that's not true. In fact, you're more likely to get a true progressive to understand your point of view, as they scrutinize what you are saying to see if there's anything new or useful there. I think the only thing we would discard out of hand is something already proven to be faulty. For example, you're unlikely to hear a progressive say that the war on drugs is a good thing, because it's already been proven to be a failure, regardless to whatever your (universal you, Howie, not saying you specifically) opinion is on the subject. So, if you (again, universal you) are going to blabber on and on about it, then ya, you're cutting into our "find a new, better solution" time, and we'll probably point out the failures of your ideology, in order to shut you up.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Seriously? Have you not seen the threats to riot whenever colleges schedule conservative speakers? Have you not see the progressives tearing down the statues and memorials of the Old South because those "Confederates" were the enemy? Come on, now, every time a public personality says something the progressives think is bigoted, they go after his/her job.

Progressives are NOT for free speech.

They are for control.
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Sorry, you're not talking about progressives. I'm not sure you know what a progressive is. I ripped the following off from Wikipedia, as it does a pretty good job of summarizing:

Progressivism is the support for or advocacy of improvement of society by reform. As a philosophy, it is based on the Idea of Progress, which asserts that advancements in science, technology, economic development, and social organization are vital to the improvement of the human condition.
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Not that I blame you for your confusion...a lot of self described progressives don't know what it means either. ;)
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Right wing idiots have been calling everybody communists for decades. Ironically, now they are supporting a president in bed with a president

from Russia and admire dictators LOL

ANyway, liberals always win. Conservatives are just an impedance to not allow things to change too quickly, but human society, like everything else, evolves and changes to the changing world. No matter how much conservative kick, scream, and whine about it
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and the left wing calls everyone who disagrees idiots, aside from kicking and screaming and whining when someone dares to disagree. Just look at what is happening at our colleges and universities.
 
Trinnity said:
There are several types of people on the left, in America. Democrats, "liberals", "progressives", "blue dogs", social libertarians, socialists - to name a few. They all have their own flavor. Are the "progressives" the communist wing?

What do you think?
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Overgeneralization without trying to define the intended purpose of making said conjecture is an easy lure.
 
Trinnity said:
There are several types of people on the left, in America. Democrats, "liberals", "progressives", "blue dogs", social libertarians, socialists - to name a few. They all have their own flavor. Are the "progressives" the communist wing?

What do you think?
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Progressive means for Progress, and should be a Good thing.
 
Trinnity said:
There are several types of people on the left, in America. Democrats, "liberals", "progressives", "blue dogs", social libertarians, socialists - to name a few. They all have their own flavor. Are the "progressives" the communist wing?

What do you think?
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Is Trinnity code for inbred?
 
faithful_servant said:
Progressives are the liberals who want to stand out from the crowd. They're the "in crowd" among liberals. The leftist elite. No different ideologically from other liberals, but they smell better.
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Much like saying conservatives are the fascist wing of the Republican Party. Though Trump's style does resemble Mussolini's.
 
"progressives" are liberals that claim to tolerate the ideas and opinions of others, yet are shocked and outraged to find that other people have different opinions.

Browse around DP for a plethora of examples!
 
Trinnity said:
There are several types of people on the left, in America. Democrats, "liberals", "progressives", "blue dogs", social libertarians, socialists - to name a few. They all have their own flavor. Are the "progressives" the communist wing?

What do you think?
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I think you made a very stupid thread.
 
Trinnity said:
There are several types of people on the left, in America. Democrats, "liberals", "progressives", "blue dogs", social libertarians, socialists - to name a few. They all have their own flavor. Are the "progressives" the communist wing?

What do you think?
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Bait thread is baity.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Seriously? Have you not seen the threats to riot whenever colleges schedule conservative speakers? Have you not see the progressives tearing down the statues and memorials of the Old South because those "Confederates" were the enemy? Come on, now, every time a public personality says something the progressives think is bigoted, they go after his/her job.

Progressives are NOT for free speech.

They are for control.
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And "Conservatives" are? You people viscously attack and shun any Republican politician or voter who doesn't worship at the feet of Donald J. Trump. You guys engage in the EXACT same "groupthink" you accuse the left of engaging in. I mean hell, your ilk are right now viscously attacking the FBI and law enforcement, because your hero Trump has told you to do that.
 
Trinnity said:
There are several types of people on the left, in America. Democrats, "liberals", "progressives", "blue dogs", social libertarians, socialists - to name a few. They all have their own flavor. Are the "progressives" the communist wing?

What do you think?
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Progressives aren't really progressive, but regressive.
 
beefheart said:
I think you made a very stupid thread.
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Mean people suck.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politi...ever-trumpers-republican-party-conservatives/
I'd Like to Offer This Sanity Quiz to All #NeverTrump Conservatives
By Charles P. Pierce
Apr 13, 2018
Nicolle Wallace, David Frum, Joe Scarborough, Bill Kristol: Step right up.

.......
4) In one sentence or less, please describe the political style and impact on the nation of the following: Newt Gingrich, Lee Atwater, Karl Rove, Richard Mellon Scaife, the Mercer family, the Koch Family, the Bradley Family. Please include details of the positive contributions of each of these to the political life of the nation.....
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Surrealistik said:
Most of the progressives I know, or at least those specific to Bernie's camp are fine with people voicing their opinions, and presenting their arguments, seeking to rebut rather than censor.

Bernie famously said that acting to silence speakers you disagree with is a "sign of intellectual weakness"; I couldn't agree more: Bernie Sanders: Students Silencing Speakers ?a Sign of Intellectual Weakness? | Intellectual Takeout
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Bernie makes some good points, and that's one of them.
 
prometeus said:
Too often is more than that. They seek to impose those opinions on the rest of society.

Good to know and I am glad to hear.

For both sides.

No, not at all. They want to stop them from acting not talking.
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Okay, besides those who tried to silence speakers at colleges, look what happened when they opposed the neo-nazi groups. Total chaos.

If you recall, those far-right groups were dwindling down to nothing and no one bothered to give them any attention when they held their annual rally of about four people. Then the anti-groups, like antifa, decided the far-righters could not longer march -- it was just too much of an insult to normal folk's intelligence, so they started physically assaulting them and blocking their rally routes. Violence ensued and someone even got killed when one of the far-right nuts flew off and ran her down.

It never had to be that way. They could have let the far-righters have their rally, no matter how distasteful. And, they should have allowed that instead of trying to block it.

Now, the far-right groups have surged in membership as a reaction to the "oppression" and once again, we have an issue.

The 1A isn't designed to protect just the speech of those who agree with us, but rather, the speech of those who don't. Progressives simply don't understand that -- and they'll do just about anything to stop the ones they don't like.

That's not productive at all.
 
OlNate said:
lol...nope, that's not true. In fact, you're more likely to get a true progressive to understand your point of view, as they scrutinize what you are saying to see if there's anything new or useful there. I think the only thing we would discard out of hand is something already proven to be faulty.
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That describes a liberal, but not, in my opinion, a progressive. Liberals have always been that way, progressives (because we're defining them as a group), not so much.

  • Liberals roll their eyes at the idea of far-right (bigotted-type) parades.
  • Progressives block the parade route.


  • Liberals might or might not own guns (and may or may not favor stricter controls).
  • Progressives support gun confiscation.

  • Liberals (think Jimmy Carter who restored citizenship rights to Jefferson Davis) favor making peace with the vestiges of the Confederacy.
  • Progressives want all the memorials and statues of Confederate leaders removed from the public eye.


  • Liberals might attend (out of curiosity and to later argue against) a conservative speaker event at their college.
  • Progressives threaten violence and harm to the speaker if the college doesn't cancel the event.


  • Liberals don't care for Trump in the least, but they respect the fact that he won and they respect the office of the presidency.
  • Progressives are obsessed with removing him from office, and progressive comedians (lunatics, really) do things like emulate the President being after being beheaded.


For example, you're unlikely to hear a progressive say that the war on drugs is a good thing, because it's already been proven to be a failure, regardless to whatever your (universal you, Howie, not saying you specifically) opinion is on the subject. So, if you (again, universal you) are going to blabber on and on about it, then ya, you're cutting into our "find a new, better solution" time, and we'll probably point out the failures of your ideology, in order to shut you up.
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Liberals and conservatives, alike, often denounce the war on drugs, because we can all see the effects. But, that's not a subject that divides liberals from progressives.

Suffice it to say that the progressive fringe of the larger group of liberals, is the flip side of the coin from the alt-right fringe within the conservative grouping.

Of course there will be an exception here and there, but by and large, my description is accurate and, as evidenced, provable.
 
OlNate said:
lol...nope, that's not true. In fact, you're more likely to get a true progressive to understand your point of view, as they scrutinize what you are saying to see if there's anything new or useful there.
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...so they can strategize an attack against you on a political and personal level, because the progressive agenda is profoundly anti-constitutional and explicitly authoritarian at the core.

OlNate said:
Sorry, you're not talking about progressives.
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No, you're just lying.

Lovebug said:
Just look at what is happening at our colleges and universities.
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It's the seed-bed of it all and it's been going on since at least the 70s. Mr. Obama's friend Bill Ayers writes college textbooks and is deeply involved in indoctrination to the progressive agenda through liberal profs/curriculum; most people don't know that.

Lovebug said:
Overgeneralization without trying to define the intended purpose of making said conjecture is an easy lure.
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You must think I didn't have my coffee. /sheesh

Nickyjo said:
Much like saying conservatives are the fascist wing of the Republican Party. Though Trump's style does resemble Mussolini's.
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You can't defend that with fact at all. Pathetic.

beefheart said:
I think you made a very stupid thread.
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You didn't have to participate, but here you are.

HowardBThiname said:
Okay, besides those who tried to silence speakers at colleges, look what happened when they opposed the neo-nazi groups. Total chaos.

If you recall, those far-right groups were dwindling down to nothing and no one bothered to give them any attention when they held their annual rally of about four people. Then the anti-groups, like antifa, [...] Now, the far-right groups have surged in membership as a reaction to the "oppression" and once again, we have an issue.
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Obama intentionally blew up race relations for political gain, but that's another topic.

People in Va who know, claim McAuliffe told the authorities to stand down at Charlottesville. That whole thing was groomed to explode by him and his buds. McAuliffe is a really dirty man, and a very close friend of her. It was him and her and their pals who gave half a mil to McCabe's wife to run in Va.

The progs at FBI/DOJ and State are in trouble and it's coming - nothing can stop it now.

HowardBThiname said:
Suffice it to say that the progressive fringe of the larger group of liberals, is the flip side of the coin from the alt-right fringe within the conservative grouping.
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They act like communists. It's very disturbing.

All this BS from libs is just so tedious.

The lies, deflections, goal post moving, flaming/trolling, the riots, the assault on our Constitution, the relentless attack on Trump for winning. It's insane and this country is going to remember all the crazy foaming at the mouth of cnn and mxnbc et all and we'll see if this country is willing to deliver another shellacking or just wimp out and give up.
 
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HowardBThiname said:
That describes a liberal, but not, in my opinion, a progressive. Liberals have always been that way, progressives (because we're defining them as a group), not so much.

  • Liberals roll their eyes at the idea of far-right (bigotted-type) parades.
  • Progressives block the parade route.


  • Liberals might or might not own guns (and may or may not favor stricter controls).
  • Progressives support gun confiscation.

  • Liberals (think Jimmy Carter who restored citizenship rights to Jefferson Davis) favor making peace with the vestiges of the Confederacy.
  • Progressives want all the memorials and statues of Confederate leaders removed from the public eye.


  • Liberals might attend (out of curiosity and to later argue against) a conservative speaker event at their college.
  • Progressives threaten violence and harm to the speaker if the college doesn't cancel the event.


  • Liberals don't care for Trump in the least, but they respect the fact that he won and they respect the office of the presidency.
  • Progressives are obsessed with removing him from office, and progressive comedians (lunatics, really) do things like emulate the President being after being beheaded.




Liberals and conservatives, alike, often denounce the war on drugs, because we can all see the effects. But, that's not a subject that divides liberals from progressives.

Suffice it to say that the progressive fringe of the larger group of liberals, is the flip side of the coin from the alt-right fringe within the conservative grouping.

Of course there will be an exception here and there, but by and large, my description is accurate and, as evidenced, provable.
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I think the truth is a little more simple than your dichotomy. I still refer to myself as a liberal, because I support liberalism's progressive ideas. And I am old. I believe that left adopted the term "progressive" because the term "liberal" had been trashed by conservatives, which was to be expected, but then in the 1960s trashed also by the left in their fury at a stupid war carried out by liberals. I still remember a democratic convention of decades ago where a member of Congress might even be introduced and praised as as a "great liberal." That probably wouldn't happen today.

There is a huge, though under assault, progressive center in the US that supports the New Deal, Civil Rights laws, the EPA, etc., and would not tolerate ending those reforms of the 30's, 60's and 70's. Even Obamacare seems safe, despite Trump's inexcusable attempts to sabotage it. That consensus in the center does not include the current President, a few of his weird cabinet members, and his supporters, some of whom seem wish to repeal everything since Roosevelt... Teddy, not Franklin. (Though to be fair, Trump pledged not to touch SS and Medicare.)

The people you characterize as progressives are part of the "infantile left," described that way by Lenin, I believe. They have been around as long as the Trotskyites, of whom it was said, "supported socialism, except where it exists."
 
HowardBThiname said:
Seriously? Have you not seen the threats to riot whenever colleges schedule conservative speakers? Have you not see the progressives tearing down the statues and memorials of the Old South because those "Confederates" were the enemy? Come on, now, every time a public personality says something the progressives think is bigoted, they go after his/her job.

Progressives are NOT for free speech.

They are for control.
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OK, while I will agree with you that the PC bunch on many college campuses that shout down those they disagree with are the antithesis of free speech. However, tearing down monuments for a cause that fought for slavery, the most evil human institution ever, is no more antithetical to free speech than tearing down monuments to Nazi Germany would be. Statues of men that fought for evil causes belong in museums, not in the town square.
 
Nickyjo said:
I think the truth is a little more simple than your dichotomy. I still refer to myself as a liberal, because I support liberalism's progressive ideas. And I am old. I believe that left adopted the term "progressive" because the term "liberal" had been trashed by conservatives, which was to be expected, but then in the 1960s trashed also by the left in their fury at a stupid war carried out by liberals. I still remember a democratic convention of decades ago where a member of Congress might even be introduced and praised as as a "great liberal." That probably wouldn't happen today.

There is a huge, though under assault, progressive center in the US that supports the New Deal, Civil Rights laws, the EPA, etc., and would not tolerate ending those reforms of the 30's, 60's and 70's. Even Obamacare seems safe, despite Trump's inexcusable attempts to sabotage it. That consensus in the center does not include the current President, a few of his weird cabinet members, and his supporters, some of whom seem wish to repeal everything since Roosevelt... Teddy, not Franklin. (Though to be fair, Trump pledged not to touch SS and Medicare.)

The people you characterize as progressives are part of the "infantile left," described that way by Lenin, I believe. They have been around as long as the Trotskyites, of whom it was said, "supported socialism, except where it exists."
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In the interest of being fair and balanced, see below. After posting above, I looked at the NYTimes, and saw a column that at first agrees with me about the reason for decline in the use of the term liberal, then goes on to agree with your thesis. Go figure. I still disagree with the thesis, as I doubt that many American politicians know his history of progressivism and remain afraid and thus hostile to the term liberal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/...ight-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region
 
Trinnity said:
There are several types of people on the left, in America. Democrats, "liberals", "progressives", "blue dogs", social libertarians, socialists - to name a few. They all have their own flavor. Are the "progressives" the communist wing?

What do you think?
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Not unless you count Teddy Roosevelt as a communist. Progressives have always wanted to see society advance through means of education and law where necessary to move the country along in modernizing thought and preservation of nature. Modern progressives are stitched to political correctness and globalism as far as I can tell, and that's where they and I part company. But they lean toward socialized healthcare, and barring any other proper fix, I go along with that. But communists? no, not by a long shot. Progressives are not "State" oriented.
 
HowardBThiname said:
That describes a liberal, but not, in my opinion, a progressive. Liberals have always been that way, progressives (because we're defining them as a group), not so much.

  • Liberals roll their eyes at the idea of far-right (bigotted-type) parades.
  • Progressives block the parade route.


  • Liberals might or might not own guns (and may or may not favor stricter controls).
  • Progressives support gun confiscation.

  • Liberals (think Jimmy Carter who restored citizenship rights to Jefferson Davis) favor making peace with the vestiges of the Confederacy.
  • Progressives want all the memorials and statues of Confederate leaders removed from the public eye.


  • Liberals might attend (out of curiosity and to later argue against) a conservative speaker event at their college.
  • Progressives threaten violence and harm to the speaker if the college doesn't cancel the event.


  • Liberals don't care for Trump in the least, but they respect the fact that he won and they respect the office of the presidency.
  • Progressives are obsessed with removing him from office, and progressive comedians (lunatics, really) do things like emulate the President being after being beheaded.




Liberals and conservatives, alike, often denounce the war on drugs, because we can all see the effects. But, that's not a subject that divides liberals from progressives.

Suffice it to say that the progressive fringe of the larger group of liberals, is the flip side of the coin from the alt-right fringe within the conservative grouping.

Of course there will be an exception here and there, but by and large, my description is accurate and, as evidenced, provable.
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I can say the moon is a potato, doesn't mean it changes the definition. You might like to blame progressives for the above, but if you find people advocating for the majority of what you're saying here, you're not talking to progressives, no matter how they identify.

I'd expand on that, but usually when I start proving you wrong, you disappear... ;)
 
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