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One investigation leads to another ad nauseum....

Don't think any of these investigations have risen to the level of working with a foreign power to influence a national election. Regardless of whether or not you believe it actually happen, it rises above anything seen since the Civil War.
BS. The mainstream media meddles in every American election.

Don't really understand your point (if you have one other than rhetoric).
Is your point that meddling is OK if one doesn't get caught? OK if America (CIA) meddles in some other country's election? OK if the mainsteam media meddles in its own country's election?
OK if the FBI meddles in the 2016 election after the fact of the 2016 election?
 
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BS. The mainstream media meddles in every American election.

Side note:
Don't really understand your point (if you have one other than rhetoric).
Is your point that meddling is OK if one doesn't get caught? OK if America (CIA) meddles in some other country's election? OK if the mainsteam media meddles in its own country's election?

No, I was just helping the OP "rank out" political investigations, without injecting my own opinion abut the current one.

i.e. I don't think investigating foreign influence on a national election is on par with Iran-Contra.

And I'd like to see evidence that the media has ever hacked into e-mail servers, set up meetings with Russian intelligence operatives, or sent hookers to hotel rooms to create "kompromat."
 
No, I was just helping the OP "rank out" political investigations, without injecting my own opinion abut the current one.

i.e. I don't think investigating foreign influence on a national election is on par with Iran-Contra.

And I'd like to see evidence that the media has ever hacked into e-mail servers, set up meetings with Russian intelligence operatives, or sent hookers to hotel rooms to create "kompromat."

You and others worry about some popups on computer websites purportedly generated from Russia influencing a voter in an election? How about the constant barrage of the media choosing to cover, ad museum, certain politically motivated items while completely ignoring other politically motivated news items months, years before an election and after? The same, biased questions each time for the presidential press conference, etc.
 
Uh huh.

Oh, I am pretty confident that I am, at minimum, as familiar with this witch hunt as you might be. But how about you demonstrate your expertise by specifying the Federal Statutes allegedly broken by team Trump especially as it relates to an investigation ostensibly in relation to our president colluding with Russia against the USA.

I'm not a lawyer, or an intel guy.

I rely on guys that are. One of them is Mueller, and he'll be answering your question in due time.

Love your defense, btw, the implied admission that's he's guilty.

I can live with that.
 
You and others worry about some popups on computer websites purportedly generated from Russia influencing a voter in an election? How about the constant barrage of the media choosing to cover, ad museum, certain politically motivated items while completely ignoring other politically motivated news items months, years before an election and after? The same, biased questions each time for the presidential press conference, etc.

I'm a little more worried about Guccifer 2.0 breaking into a server and providing Wiki-Leaks to the opponents, who eagerly publish them without regard to the Law..

"Who covers what" in the media? Not so much...
 
The first thing out of your mouth is i get my information from conservative media....wrong. This has nothing to do with today's media and news. This thread is about our representatives in DC not doing what we pay them to do
I don't mean to interrupt your deflecting (and double spaced) pointless rant but I simply asked you to explain your post. You couldn't even do that. Posting a bunch of words doesn't hide the fact that you couldn't do it. and gd, when you post false conservative narratives, I'm going to assume you got them from your conservative masters. notice how you only whined about that but didn't clear it up let alone explain your post.

And now it becomes the partisan thing to do....your side is in, attack away....find anything so you can accomplish nothing
oh gd, that's just false. I understand its hard for conservatives (and conservative like posters) to deal with reality but the "both sides do it" narrative wont help you accept reality. since you will refuse to respond to my actual post, I'll explain it to you. Telling your base "deficits will destroy us all", "the President is a secret muslim Kenyan terrorist" , " he wants to kill old people" and of course the vile and disgusting "stand down" lies are examples of your side trying to accomplish nothing. Even when it was things republicans previously wanted. Wanting to know what trump knows or did, is not "trying to accomplish nothing". Democrats didn't suddenly flip flop on tax cuts to the rich. they've been against them since they voted for Reagan's. We found out they didn't work. and ryan needed democrat help to get the budget passed. Dems didn't suddenly flip flop on spending money. and unlike republicans they wont try to sabotage the economy. Another reality you and yours cant accept.
 
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I'm not a lawyer, or an intel guy.

I rely on guys that are. One of them is Mueller, and he'll be answering your question in due time.

Love your defense, btw, the implied admission that's he's guilty.

I can live with that.

I also implied you are equally guilty. Ready to be railroaded?
 
Sorry, but the right wing in this country has become truly evil. You don't compromise with evil. I realize that for a long time now it's been commonplace for political people to compare their opponents to Nazis, but this isn't an exaggeration. This isn't a drill. The Republican party is truly pulsating with evil at this point. Trump supporters ignorance of reality is incredibly dangerous, and we cannot pretend it's anything but just because you want bipartisanship. There is a criminal, a traitor, and a fascist in the White House, and he has access to nuclear weapons.

Would you actually say all that to a person face to face?

Chill.
 
Ir If Gore was president, I guarantee republians scum would have went after him.

If Gore was president 9/11 wouldn't have happened. He didn't have a secret day 1 agenda to invade Iraq hence he wouldn't have ignored the intel. Nor would he have pushed back at the intel with the classic conservative "nuh uh".
 
I'm a little more worried about Guccifer 2.0 breaking into a server and providing Wiki-Leaks to the opponents, who eagerly publish them without regard to the Law..

"Who covers what" in the media? Not so much...

Why no so much? American media's participation in the coverage of American elections is a meddling in American elections because the media's coverage is biased. Are you only concerned with a foreign meddling in American elections?

Not so concerned when the CIA meddles in other country's elections?
 
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Why no so much? American media's participation in the coverage of American elections is a meddling in American elections because the media's coverage is biased. Are you only concerned with a foreign meddling in American elections?

Not so concerned when the CIA meddles in other country's elections?

I'm concerned when the private e-mail servers are broken into. As for bias in the media, I would say for every MSNBC there is a Fox News, so "fair and balanced."
 
I'm concerned when the private e-mail servers are broken into. As for bias in the media, I would say for every MSNBC there is a Fox News, so "fair and balanced."
Fair and balanced in which alternate universe, again?
 
Seems like for the last 35+ years or so, someone in DC has been under the microscope

I think it started with the Iran Contra crap and just never stopped

First one side, and then the other just opens investigation after investigation

Maybe it even started before then...and i only started paying attention at that point

Doesnt matter if it is a democrat or a republican....someone is in the hot seat for something

Is this what we have become?

No one even cares to work with the other side....lets get as much dirt as we can find, and throw it against the wall, and see what sticks...forget legislation...forget the people that sent you to DC...forget your MAIN task

Not saying some of the investigations werent warranted....but it seems like THAT is all we are doing....we arent solving any issues....the people we are sending to DC arent fixing the problems we have....

Maybe just maybe we need to remind them that their role is to GOVERN and to legislate...how i long for the days of Tip O'Neill and handshakes across the aisles

Yep. The country is going and has grown broke with political witch hunt investigations that grow exponentially year after year and they have consumed the time where productive stuff could actually be accomplished.
 
President Obama did everything he could to extend Olive branches to the Republican party, and try and get them to work together with him. In the first year of his presidency, he spent months trying to work together with Republicans on health care reform despite the fact that he had a super majority and could have passed any bill he wanted. He changed multiple aspects of the ACA to try and soften it and hopefully get even a few Republicans to join him even though it made the bill worse, and it bothered his own party.

Again when trying to repair our broken economy(which fell apart under the previous Republican) President Obama reached out to Republicans at every turn trying to get their support for his stimulus package even though he didn't need it. He offered to extend tax cuts on Millionaires and Billionaires desperate to try and unite this country behind a bipartisan fix.

In each case, the Republican party told President Obama to go **** himself. They didn't care about bipartisanship, they didn't care about solving problems, they didn't want to work together because they were scared if they did it would make President Obama look like a great leader, and they'd never be able to beat him.

Instead, **** heads like Trump ran around the country trying to convince everyone that Obama was secretly a Muslim born in Kenya and that he had illegally stolen the presidency. They didn't just criticize his policies or offer their own, they riled up their racist base and used it's anger to take back Congress. Every time President Obama and Democrats tried to take the Moral high road the Republican party went lower, and how was the Democratic party rewarded for that? The American people elected the very piece of **** that had gone around spreading all those lies about Obama to undo all the good he was able to accomplish.

If you don't reward the good guys and punish the bad guys, you're going to end up with more bad guys. Ignorant Americans have demonstrated that they don't reward compromises, and people who take the moral high road. Trying to work together with the modern Republican party is like Charlie Brown trying to kick Lucy's football. At some point Charlie has to realize that if he really wants to kick that football, he should kick Lucy in the ****, take the football from her, and go find someone else to play with.

The breakdown in bipartisanship in this country started with Republicans. They keep getting worse and worse, and they get away with it because Fox News tells their base that they're the good guys, and the average American is too stupid to know the difference. The only way we get back to unity and bipartisanship is if the Republican party wakes up and realizes what they've done and apologizes for it, or we the Democratic party destroys them entirely. As Democrats, we can only control one of those solutions.

Obama was extending olive branches to the right hoping that they would join him in doing things his way.
 
Don't think any of these investigations have risen to the level of working with a foreign power to influence a national election. Regardless of whether or not you believe it actually happen, it rises above anything seen since the Civil War.

There is not one shred of evidence that anyone anywhere did anything in working with a foreign power to influence a national election. Russia did do it on their own.
 
I didn't mean to "get you." It's just that by using the CB analogy, you're admitting that most of this is over your head. The kids don't understand what the adults are saying, so it sounds like jibberish to them.

I was offering you an "alternative forum."

Well, holbritter has over 7,000 more posts than you and I have found the huge majority of them to be very informative. I'm still waiting to see your first one.
 
Well, I/C was not "crap." It was actually rather serious, as any trading of hostages for arms should be. And, I/C was certainly not the first investigation by any measure. Obviously that tiny thing called Watergate which preceded it cannot possibly be ignored.

However, I'll give ya this. It wasn't until Iran Contra that we had this thing called 24/7 news channels. And, of those, we have several now.

Well, we also know that Obama traded billions of dollars worth of cash money to Iran in exchange for our sailor hostages.
 
Iran Contra resulted in charges. BEngazi and email gate resulted in nothing. investigations of Clinton lead to him lying about a blowjob.

Trumps investigations are leading to a lot of indictments and guilty pleas. Investigations into Bush lead to results as well

Don't give me that both sides stuff. Bengazi was the most disgusting use of dead americans for political purposes, what a disgrace, all based on what? Monday morning QBing? Did Democrats try to blame Bush for 9/11 and start countless investigations? If they were like republicans they would have, and they actually had facts that Bush did in fact ignore intel about the attacks. If Gore was president, I guarantee republians scum would have went after him.

Emailgate resulted in no charges becasue Obama's DOJ deep state had the fix in.
 
He's admitted it in public.

Twice.

Nice fantasy, tho.

There were thousands of deals that went sour back then. But the part I find pertinent is that Bill wasn't involved in the Whitewater deal, that was Hillary.

LOL. That's your fantasy life. Even Mueller and Rosenstein said that no one, including Trump, purposely colluded with Russians to influence the election, although they may have been unwitting pawns. That's what your hero investigators say.
 
Are you implying the illegal sale of weapons to Iran should not have been investigated?

Were you this upset during the investigation of Benghazi?

The Benghazi investigation was about finding out what went wrong in our people dying and how to stop it from happening again and to see if anyone should be held accountable. Of course we should have an investigation as to what went wrong when something goes wrong.
 
Tell me how you'd be defending her as the "duly elected president" had Hillary won? There would be twice as many investigations on half as much evidence. Don't act like your side wouldn't do everything in it's power tosee her impeached and removed. Don't bother lying to us, we know better, lie to yourself, but I doubt you'd even believe you on that...

And that is exactly what Russia was attempting to do. They weren't trying to get Donald Trump elected. Russia expected Hillary to win but they wanted to make Americans question our democracy and elections by having Hillary win and then furious Trump supporters questioning the validity of the election. But, Trump won instead and Russia has successful manipulated the rabid left into questioning our democracy and the validity of the election. It would have worked out for them either way. They accomplished EXACTLY what they wanted to accomplish.
 
More projection. Everything you said fits republicans. Sorry, democrats does something sketchy, he gets removed. Democrat supporters don't tolerate democrats spouting lies and hate like the republicans do.

There is no point with you people, the most delusional, dishonest brainwashed people

LOL. You mean like Bill Clinton remaining in office after getting impeached for lying and obstruction of justice?
 
The first thing out of your mouth is i get my information from conservative media....wrong. This has nothing to do with today's media and news. This thread is about our representatives in DC not doing what we pay them to do

Why arent they doing that....because as i said before, they are too busy attacking the other side and making sure nothing gets done.

Have some of these investigations needed to be done? sure...

TO the extent they were done? that is the question

And now it becomes the partisan thing to do....your side is in, attack away....find anything so you can accomplish nothing

ANd now the other side is in....attack away....find anything to throw against the wall, so you can accomplish nothing

and over the course of decades....NOTHING is getting done

our country is falling apart...roads, bridges, trains...all in major need of repaid\r

our schools are falling behind....

our debt continues to grow....

and not one damn critter in DC wants to talk about SS, medicare, or medicaid

they would rather talk about benghazi, russia, or porn stars

That's always the first thing out of lefties's mouths. They think everyone who doesn't agree with them watches FOX News, et al. Meanwhile, they get their news from MSNBC, CNN, Mother Jones, et al.
 
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