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One investigation leads to another ad nauseum....

Gaugingcatenate said:
You mean like the others had at least some evidence of the crime committed? That would mean this one pales in comparison. You didnt just get it wrong, you got it completely backwards.

This one is like the Japanese fishing trawler fleet, casting nets far and wide in already overfished waters where they have no business being.

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I believe 13 indictments and 4 guilty pleas suggest otherwise. BTW, nice picture!
 
gdgyva said:
Seems like for the last 35+ years or so, someone in DC has been under the microscope

I think it started with the Iran Contra crap and just never stopped

First one side, and then the other just opens investigation after investigation

Maybe it even started before then...and i only started paying attention at that point

Doesnt matter if it is a democrat or a republican....someone is in the hot seat for something

Is this what we have become?

No one even cares to work with the other side....lets get as much dirt as we can find, and throw it against the wall, and see what sticks...forget legislation...forget the people that sent you to DC...forget your MAIN task

Not saying some of the investigations werent warranted....but it seems like THAT is all we are doing....we arent solving any issues....the people we are sending to DC arent fixing the problems we have....

Maybe just maybe we need to remind them that their role is to GOVERN and to legislate...how i long for the days of Tip O'Neill and handshakes across the aisles
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Iran Contra resulted in charges. BEngazi and email gate resulted in nothing. investigations of Clinton lead to him lying about a blowjob.

Trumps investigations are leading to a lot of indictments and guilty pleas. Investigations into Bush lead to results as well

Don't give me that both sides stuff. Bengazi was the most disgusting use of dead americans for political purposes, what a disgrace, all based on what? Monday morning QBing? Did Democrats try to blame Bush for 9/11 and start countless investigations? If they were like republicans they would have, and they actually had facts that Bush did in fact ignore intel about the attacks. If Gore was president, I guarantee republians scum would have went after him.
 
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gdgyva said:
nice to know that you see every person with a conservative lean, or with a R next to their name an evil incarnate

i no longer have to wonder WHY the partisanship is out of control

mystery solved....
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What a lame deflection, the person never said that. The right wing doesn't mean all people with an R in their name or all conservatives.

holbritter said:
You are a good example of what he means.
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For crying out loud, are you right wingers capable of forming a coherent argument? YOu know, state your position, and your reasoning
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Speaking of Charlie Brown, you know how their teacher talks? Yeah, that's all I'm hearing.
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Maybe you should learn how to read then. This site can help https://www.rif.org/
 
late said:
That's up to Mueller.

My point is that the earlier generation would have responded to Trump the same way they responded to Nixon.

With their boot.
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so you want him booted out before there are charges?

at least Nixon knew the senate and house were going to vote against him before he resigned....
 
gdgyva said:
so you want him booted out before there are charges?

at least Nixon knew the senate and house were going to vote against him before he resigned....
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What I said was that the Republicans of my generation would have given him the boot. Since I don't see Trump resigning, that means impeachment, and that can't happen before Mueller submits his report.

Have a cup of coffee...
 
late said:
What I said was that the Republicans of my generation would have given him the boot. Since I don't see Trump resigning, that means impeachment, and that can't happen before Mueller submits his report.

Have a cup of coffee...
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"This is one of the biggest messes the country has ever seen. It dwarfs Watergate by an order of magnitude, and that's made even worse by the reality that Republicans these days lack a backbone. If we had the Republicans from the early 70s, Trump would be gone or in jail. Or up on treason charges."

quoted from your earlier post

so you didnt quite mean that....yet
 
gdgyva said:
Maybe just maybe we need to remind them that their role is to GOVERN and to legislate...how i long for the days of Tip O'Neill and handshakes across the aisles
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Vote into the presidency people who are good, bi-partisan leaders, and know the system (to avoid legal jeopardy).
Vote into congress people who support good, bi-partisan leaders, and who themselves are good (non criminal), bi-partisan types.
Vote into office people who do not seem to be criminals or have ties stringing back decades to organized crime.

Now gdgyva, do you think Trump represents those qualities?
Obama tried bipartisanship, and was reasonable in his discussions. I dont' recall any crime scandals either. And the only big investigations during that time were Republicans dragging out Benghazi x8 in an effort to weaken Hillary for the Election. And Ken Starr before that, obviously 4 years for whitewater morphed into other areas ending up on an affair. That's 100% Republican choices there, with pejury for hiding his affair being the only crime he got...

Clinton was great on bi-partisanship from what little I remember, and was fairly effective too. A real thinker/reader on top of it.

Trump is the opposite.
GWB was OK but was so uninterested in policy/governing, that he just kind of shuffled around as the necons waged war with his approval.
Bush Senior I don't remember much of, but didn't seem too crazy.

Media:
Which network displays the most divisive, least truthful rhetoric?
NPR? CNN? MSNBC? Fox?

I guarantee if you watch Hannity vs Maddow, you can get an understanding of which party uses the media for divisiveness, and which simply has a political lean.

Until you can fix the Right wing propaganda machine to match what you are saying you want...non-crimnals who are bi-partisan....until you can elect a candidate that is a non-criminal who is bi-partisan, then I see this as an appeal to Republcian's to do better next time. Which is a commendable goal, but I don't know if that's your goal.
 
DickBanks said:
I believe 13 indictments and 4 guilty pleas suggest otherwise. BTW, nice picture!
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You are aware all of that is a not so funny joke on the nation?

For perspective, the Whitewater probe proper had 15 people all around the Clintons convicted of more than 40 crimes in this deal, including the then Governor of Arkansas and fomerly BJs Lt Gov, Jim Guy Tucker, who was removed from office. It also went far afield resulting in the impeachment and disbarment of BJ for perjury and subornation of perjury.

There hasnt been even one item produced in evidence that team Trump colluded with any Russians. Its obvious to all but the politically blinded.

Yes, thanks. Her Majesty's Ship, though the coronation never actually occurred, thankfully.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Iran Contra resulted in charges. BEngazi and email gate resulted in nothing. investigations of Clinton lead to him lying about a blowjob.
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You know, I really would not be so flippant about employers taking sexual advantage of their employees.

Sampson Simpson said:
Trumps investigations are leading to a lot of indictments and guilty pleas. Investigations into Bush lead to results as well

Don't give me that both sides stuff.
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You are right. Both sides are not equal. When Republicans have engaged in corruption and abuse of power, they are typically held accountable by Republican-led Justice Departments and are then removed from the halls of power. As they should be. When Democrats engage in corruption and abuse of power, Democrat-led Justice departments typically do everything in their power to shield them, and they are able to get away with it, or simply retire/resign without further incident. So I would say that Democrats have a very nice advantage in this regard in that, on the whole, Democrats circle the wagons and look out for their own so long as it is politically convenient. Republicans don't. Whether that is a good thing or not, I leave that up to you to decide. :shrug:

Sampson Simpson said:
Bengazi was the most disgusting use of dead americans for political purposes, what a disgrace, all based on what? Monday morning QBing? Did Democrats try to blame Bush for 9/11 and start countless investigations? If they were like republicans they would have, and they actually had facts that Bush did in fact ignore intel about the attacks. If Gore was president, I guarantee republians scum would have went after him.
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Oh, most certainly. But that is because George W. Bush bears responsibility for the intelligence failures and those same national security agencies' failure to stop the 9/11 hijackers, as, apparently, the United States Intelligence Services saw that there were warning signs and possibility of a terrorist attack before 9/11. While I would not be so crude as to say "George W. Bush is responsible for 9/11", (because only the 9/11 Hijackers and the Al Qaeda planners were responsible for the attacks), as President he was certainly responsible for the actions of the intelligence agencies which he oversaw, and those intelligence failures were his responsibility.
 
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gdgyva said:
"This is one of the biggest messes the country has ever seen. It dwarfs Watergate by an order of magnitude, and that's made even worse by the reality that Republicans these days lack a backbone. If we had the Republicans from the early 70s, Trump would be gone or in jail. Or up on treason charges."

quoted from your earlier post

so you didnt quite mean that....yet
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Prob.

The reality is that a guy like Trump would never have gotten to the national level back then. While most everyone hated party control, it also acted to weed out extremes. They would not have tolerated Trump. So sure, if it got that far, they might wait for Mueller's report. But it would never have gotten that far, and while it's pure speculation, impeachment before the report would not be out of the question.
If Russian influence was involved, they were deadly serious.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
There hasnt been even one item produced in evidence that team Trump colluded with any Russians.
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He's admitted it in public.

Twice.

Nice fantasy, tho.

There were thousands of deals that went sour back then. But the part I find pertinent is that Bill wasn't involved in the Whitewater deal, that was Hillary.
 
late said:
He's admitted it in public.

Twice.

Nice fantasy, tho.

There were thousands of deals that went sour back then. But the part I find pertinent is that Bill wasn't involved in the Whitewater deal, that was Hillary.
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Okay, so the Donald has admittedly utilized, for his own benefit, Russian dressing to improve his personal salad...that a'int a crime. And vicariously watching the corrupt and weaponized slenderman administration play Russian Roulette with getting the fat lady elected wasnt a crime either.

Matter of fact it was pure entertainment delight. I go back and watch the youtube videos with patellarly reflexive schadenfruede giggles at those oh so wonderful election night returns... just for kicks myself. :lamo



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gdgyva said:
Seems like for the last 35+ years or so, someone in DC has been under the microscope

I think it started with the Iran Contra crap and just never stopped
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Are you implying the illegal sale of weapons to Iran should not have been investigated?

Were you this upset during the investigation of Benghazi?
 
calamity said:
Well, your "Iran contra crap" comment was not exactly opening doors to reasonable bipartisan debate. Now was it?
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Seriously. If anything was worth investigating that was it.
 
gdgyva said:
so you want him booted out before there are charges?

at least Nixon knew the senate and house were going to vote against him before he resigned....
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Tell me how you'd be defending her as the "duly elected president" had Hillary won? There would be twice as many investigations on half as much evidence. Don't act like your side wouldn't do everything in it's power tosee her impeached and removed. Don't bother lying to us, we know better, lie to yourself, but I doubt you'd even believe you on that...
 
gdgyva said:
II just think Hillary's case was more brazen. But it wasnt handled at ALL like the rule of law is meant for everyone..
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more brazen? sorry gd, you're getting your "information" from the conservative media. There is nothing "brazen" about not noticing a [c] in the body of 5 emails that shouldn't have been sent to her non secure email in the first place. Brazen is when you take documents clearly marked as classified and make copies for your autobiographer. Oh and gd, if you respond don't post "nuh uh" and repeat your narrative. back it up. Well explain it.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Okay, so the Donald has admittedly utilized, for his own benefit, Russian dressing to improve his personal salad...that ain't a crime.
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It's a number of crimes.

What you have just admitted is that you haven't looked into this. Even in the absurdly unlikely eventuality that Trump got exonerated from everything, the investigation exists because of the potential that many crimes were committed.
 
Felis Leo said:
You know, I really would not be so flippant about employers taking sexual advantage of their employees.



You are right. Both sides are not equal. When Republicans have engaged in corruption and abuse of power, they are typically held accountable by Republican-led Justice Departments and are then removed from the halls of power. As they should be. When Democrats engage in corruption and abuse of power, Democrat-led Justice departments typically do everything in their power to shield them, and they are able to get away with it, or simply retire/resign without further incident. So I would say that Democrats have a very nice advantage in this regard in that, on the whole, Democrats circle the wagons and look out for their own so long as it is politically convenient. Republicans don't. Whether that is a good thing or not, I leave that up to you to decide. :shrug:



Oh, most certainly. But that is because George W. Bush bears responsibility for the intelligence failures and those same national security agencies' failure to stop the 9/11 hijackers, as, apparently, the United States Intelligence Services saw that there were warning signs and possibility of a terrorist attack before 9/11. While I would not be so crude as to say "George W. Bush is responsible for 9/11", (because only the 9/11 Hijackers and the Al Qaeda planners were responsible for the attacks), as President he was certainly responsible for the actions of the intelligence agencies which he oversaw, and those intelligence failures were his responsibility.
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More projection. Everything you said fits republicans. Sorry, democrats does something sketchy, he gets removed. Democrat supporters don't tolerate democrats spouting lies and hate like the republicans do.

There is no point with you people, the most delusional, dishonest brainwashed people
 
gdgyva said:
Seems like for the last 35+ years or so, someone in DC has been under the microscope

I think it started with the Iran Contra crap and just never stopped

First one side, and then the other just opens investigation after investigation

Maybe it even started before then...and i only started paying attention at that point

Doesnt matter if it is a democrat or a republican....someone is in the hot seat for something

Is this what we have become?

No one even cares to work with the other side....lets get as much dirt as we can find, and throw it against the wall, and see what sticks...forget legislation...forget the people that sent you to DC...forget your MAIN task

Not saying some of the investigations werent warranted....but it seems like THAT is all we are doing....we arent solving any issues....the people we are sending to DC arent fixing the problems we have....

Maybe just maybe we need to remind them that their role is to GOVERN and to legislate...how i long for the days of Tip O'Neill and handshakes across the aisles
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If you don't think Iran Contra was worthy of investigation then there really isn't anything to say.
 
late said:
It's a number of crimes.

What you have just admitted is that you haven't looked into this. Even in the absurdly unlikely eventuality that Trump got exonerated from everything, the investigation exists because of the potential that many crimes were committed.
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Uh huh.

Oh, I am pretty confident that I am, at minimum, as familiar with this witch hunt as you might be. But how about you demonstrate your expertise by specifying the Federal Statutes allegedly broken by team Trump especially as it relates to an investigation ostensibly in relation to our president colluding with Russia against the USA.

As to crimes generally, each of us is constantly breaking the law. So, if we put 17 prosecutors and probably 50 FBI agents on your trail, especially if they despised you, and let them explore your entire life as well as that of all your family, friends and associates...think they might find evidence of crimes?

Land of 40,627 Laws and Regulations More Nice little 2010 summation of just the new laws coming into play, forget even considering the crushing weight of those previous and since.
 
Vern said:
more brazen? sorry gd, you're getting your "information" from the conservative media. There is nothing "brazen" about not noticing a [c] in the body of 5 emails that shouldn't have been sent to her non secure email in the first place. Brazen is when you take documents clearly marked as classified and make copies for your autobiographer. Oh and gd, if you respond don't post "nuh uh" and repeat your narrative. back it up. Well explain it.
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The first thing out of your mouth is i get my information from conservative media....wrong. This has nothing to do with today's media and news. This thread is about our representatives in DC not doing what we pay them to do

Why arent they doing that....because as i said before, they are too busy attacking the other side and making sure nothing gets done.

Have some of these investigations needed to be done? sure...

TO the extent they were done? that is the question

And now it becomes the partisan thing to do....your side is in, attack away....find anything so you can accomplish nothing

ANd now the other side is in....attack away....find anything to throw against the wall, so you can accomplish nothing

and over the course of decades....NOTHING is getting done

our country is falling apart...roads, bridges, trains...all in major need of repaid\r

our schools are falling behind....

our debt continues to grow....

and not one damn critter in DC wants to talk about SS, medicare, or medicaid

they would rather talk about benghazi, russia, or porn stars
 
Cardinal said:
The rule of law means that nobody, even the country's richest and most powerful people, is above the law.
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Except Hillary and Bill, and Rangel, and the rest of the politician lawbreakers.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Democrat supporters don't tolerate democrats spouting lies and hate like the republicans do.
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...Really? I cannot tell if you wrote that with a straight face :roll:

Sampson Simpson said:
There is no point with you people, the most delusional, dishonest brainwashed people
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Come now, Sampson, old darling. If you are going to come here and say that "Republicans are corrupt," I might agree with you. But if you are going to come in and say without a shred of irony or self-awareness that "Republicans are corrupt, unlike the righteous and wonderful Democrats" while sighing, clasping your hands and fluttering your eyelashes in daydreams of Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy, well I'm simply going to be forced to burst your bubble. :mrgreen:
 
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gdgyva said:
Seems like for the last 35+ years or so, someone in DC has been under the microscope

I think it started with the Iran Contra crap and just never stopped

First one side, and then the other just opens investigation after investigation

Maybe it even started before then...and i only started paying attention at that point

Doesnt matter if it is a democrat or a republican....someone is in the hot seat for something

Is this what we have become?

No one even cares to work with the other side....lets get as much dirt as we can find, and throw it against the wall, and see what sticks...forget legislation...forget the people that sent you to DC...forget your MAIN task

Not saying some of the investigations werent warranted....but it seems like THAT is all we are doing....we arent solving any issues....the people we are sending to DC arent fixing the problems we have....

Maybe just maybe we need to remind them that their role is to GOVERN and to legislate...how i long for the days of Tip O'Neill and handshakes across the aisles
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I think there's so much potential law breaking that needs to be investigated. IMO, so much law breaking that politicians get away with. Maybe just allow for a provision in The Constitution for a permanent independent council?

Politicians will soon 'straighten up' and learn to move their administration and agenda forward despite the investigations. Trump shows the way on this.
 
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