After decades of deception & denial, the left finally admit to their goal of 2nd amendment repeal

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Kal'Stang said:

Playing devils advocate here.

Not long after the Charlottesville rallies when Heather Heyer was ran over there was a lot of arguments about Nazi's, Neo-Nazi's, white supremacists etc etc. One of the oft times repeated reasons for shutting down rallies completely, not even allowing them in the first place, was because it gave them a platform to speak. To spread their hate speech in order to grow. Anyone that pointed out how small those groups actually were often got scoffed at and told to look at history. Examples of Hitler and how he came into power were used. How he started out small and grew.

So, whats to stop this "repeal the 2nd amendment" group that you say is small from growing larger based on the same argument?

Note that I don't believe it will be repealed. Though I do believe that pro-gun control folks will attempt to get the 2nd Amendment re-interpreted as that would be easier than repealing a part of the BoR's.

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Apples and oranges Kal. We're talking about a political faction vs a constitutionally protected right.

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jet57 said:

Apples and oranges Kal. We're talking about a political faction vs a constitutionally protected right.

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Continuing to play devils advocate:

So? If it grows to be a big movement, like the nazi's did, then they could get it repealed through the amendment process. There's nothing saying that they can't be repealed.

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Sampson Simpson said:

Oh for the love of god, you right wingers are the most dishonest people. More projection. More making up with liberals stand for

And so what if some liberals want to repeal the 2nd amendment.For crying out loud, how about make an argument why we shouldn't without ignoring all the gun violence, all the mass shootings, instead of whining.

Most liberals just want actual regulations

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There are regulation.
People that commit or that are going to commit gun violence don't care about your regulations.

How about we repeal you 1st 4th and 5th amendment rights?
You should be ok with that.

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Kal'Stang said:

Continuing to play devils advocate:

So? If it grows to be a big movement, like the nazi's did, then they could get it repealed through the amendment process. There's nothing saying that they can't be repealed.

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So if it grows to a big movement like the Vietnam anti-war movement and two thirds of the states want to have a convention, then yes it could be repealed.

What's your point?

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jet57 said:

So if it grows to a big movement like the Vietnam anti-war movement and two thirds of the states want to have a convention, then yes it could be repealed.

What's your point?

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When you use the argument that its just a small group of people that want to repeal the 2nd Amendment why shouldn't you be scoffed at? Just as those that wanted to forcibly shut down what they considered "hate speech" rallies scoffed at those that pointed out that they were actually small groups and worrying about this was pointless.

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Kal'Stang said:

When you use the argument that its just a small group of people that want to repeal the 2nd Amendment why shouldn't you be scoffed at? Just as those that wanted to forcibly shut down what they considered "hate speech" rallies scoffed at those that pointed out that they were actually small groups and worrying about this was pointless.

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Dude, your analogies are just silly man. "Nazis"... What is it with you gun guys?? "Scoffing" does not make you right or even reasonable Kal. The second IS an amendment that can be overturned just like the 18th was overturned and I've been warning you constitutional Second Amendment juggernauts for years not that not everybody thinks like you. God didn't make (you) right about the second OR the constitution: it is a living document that is subject to the changes of the people when and if (we) see fit.

I'm telling you guys - get rid of The Soldier of Fortune magazines, the gun magazines, turn off Wayne La Pierre; he's lyin to the bunch of 'ya, stop salivating over the latest and greatest ammo and just relax and make it all go away; and it will if you just back away from it. Otherwise, I'm tellin 'ya you're gonna keep pushin and your gonna lose in the long run.

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jet57 said:

Dude, your analogies are just silly man. "Nazis"... What is it with you gun guys?? "Scoffing" does not make you right or even reasonable Kal. The second IS an amendment that can be overturned just like the 18th was overturned and I've been warning you constitutional Second Amendment juggernauts for years not that not everybody thinks like you. God didn't make (you) right about the second OR the constitution: it is a living document that is subject to the changes of the people when and if (we) see fit.

I'm telling you guys - get rid of The Soldier of Fortune magazines, the gun magazines, turn off Wayne La Pierre; he's lyin to the bunch of 'ya, stop salivating over the latest and greatest ammo and just relax and make it all go away; and it will if you just back away from it. Otherwise, I'm tellin 'ya you're gonna keep pushin and your gonna lose in the long run.

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Hmm...seems that I touched a nerve. We went from dialogue to outright threats. Know what's ironic about your post Jet? You say that "not everybody thinks like you" while assuming that everyone that is against your form of gun control thinks like each other. And don't even try to deny it as you actually gave examples. Well guess what Jet...here's a few little facts about me that's going to blow your mind away because you're going to see something that doesn't follow your "reasoning".

1: I don't subscribe to or buy ANY magazines. Much less The Soldier of Fortune magazine or any other like it.
2: I don't own a gun, much less any gun magazines. (paper kind or the metal kind)
3: I can't recall a single time of listening to Pierre unless he happened to have been posted here...and even then I can't remember it.
4: If you put a .223 bullet in front of me and asked me to tell you what it was I wouldn't be able to tell you. Much less any other bullet. What I do know of them is basic statistics that I have read about. Never actually seen on in real life.
5: The only gun that I have actually ever wanted to own was my dads old .22 single shot bolt action rifle that was given to him by his grandfather when my dad was about 13yrs old. It still works and shoots just as straight as ever. It went to my older brother.

You see, I don't know much about guns. What I do know is history. I have read it extensively. Enough to know that NO government is to ever be trusted. And that all governments inevitably fall. Now, you can threaten that we're going to lose in the long run all that you want. But plain fact of the matter is that in the end, everyone will lose if we don't stand up for our Rights to the fullest extent possible. And whether you agree with it or not, whether you think it would be suicide to even try, that includes a civil war if necessary.

You know what else is ironic btw? You quoting Elbridge Gerry in your sig. He was one of the few people at the Constitutional Convention that did not sign the Constitution. Do you know why? It was because it did not secure peoples liberties at the time it was signed. Including the very liberties that you threaten in your post. He was a man that knew what liberty was. Unlike the person that is quoting him. As proven by his quote here:

What, sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. Now, it must be evident, that, under this provision, together with their other powers, Congress could take such measures with respect to a militia, as to make a standing army necessary. Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins.

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Kal'Stang said:

Hmm...seems that I touched a nerve. We went from dialogue to outright threats. Know what's ironic about your post Jet? You say that "not everybody thinks like you" while assuming that everyone that is against your form of gun control thinks like each other. And don't even try to deny it as you actually gave examples. Well guess what Jet...here's a few little facts about me that's going to blow your mind away because you're going to see something that doesn't follow your "reasoning".

1: I don't subscribe to or buy ANY magazines. Much less The Soldier of Fortune magazine or any other like it.
2: I don't own a gun, much less any gun magazines. (paper kind or the metal kind)
3: I can't recall a single time of listening to Pierre unless he happened to have been posted here...and even then I can't remember it.
4: If you put a .223 bullet in front of me and asked me to tell you what it was I wouldn't be able to tell you. Much less any other bullet. What I do know of them is basic statistics that I have read about. Never actually seen on in real life.
5: The only gun that I have actually ever wanted to own was my dads old .22 single shot bolt action rifle that was given to him by his grandfather when my dad was about 13yrs old. It still works and shoots just as straight as ever. It went to my older brother.

You see, I don't know much about guns. What I do know is history. I have read it extensively. Enough to know that NO government is to ever be trusted. And that all governments inevitably fall. Now, you can threaten that we're going to lose in the long run all that you want. But plain fact of the matter is that in the end, everyone will lose if we don't stand up for our Rights to the fullest extent possible. And whether you agree with it or not, whether you think it would be suicide to even try, that includes a civil war if necessary.

You know what else is ironic btw? You quoting Elbridge Gerry in your sig. He was one of the few people at the Constitutional Convention that did not sign the Constitution. Do you know why? It was because it did not secure peoples liberties at the time it was signed. Including the very liberties that you threaten in your post. He was a man that knew what liberty was. Unlike the person that is quoting him. As proven by his quote here:

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We went from dialogue to outright threats.

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I'm sorry?? -- threats? You're gong to have to justify that accusation before we go any further.

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jet57 said:

I'm sorry?? -- threats? You're gong to have to justify that accusation before we go any further.

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If you had actually read the post you would see that I already did.

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Kal'Stang said:

If you had actually read the post you would see that I already did.

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Sorry, I read no justification. Moreover you have mischaracterized my entire post.

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Kal'Stang said:

Hmm...seems that I touched a nerve. We went from dialogue to outright threats. Know what's ironic about your post Jet? You say that "not everybody thinks like you" while assuming that everyone that is against your form of gun control thinks like each other. And don't even try to deny it as you actually gave examples. Well guess what Jet...here's a few little facts about me that's going to blow your mind away because you're going to see something that doesn't follow your "reasoning".

1: I don't subscribe to or buy ANY magazines. Much less The Soldier of Fortune magazine or any other like it.
2: I don't own a gun, much less any gun magazines. (paper kind or the metal kind)
3: I can't recall a single time of listening to Pierre unless he happened to have been posted here...and even then I can't remember it.
4: If you put a .223 bullet in front of me and asked me to tell you what it was I wouldn't be able to tell you. Much less any other bullet. What I do know of them is basic statistics that I have read about. Never actually seen on in real life.
5: The only gun that I have actually ever wanted to own was my dads old .22 single shot bolt action rifle that was given to him by his grandfather when my dad was about 13yrs old. It still works and shoots just as straight as ever. It went to my older brother.

You see, I don't know much about guns. What I do know is history. I have read it extensively. Enough to know that NO government is to ever be trusted. And that all governments inevitably fall. Now, you can threaten that we're going to lose in the long run all that you want. But plain fact of the matter is that in the end, everyone will lose if we don't stand up for our Rights to the fullest extent possible. And whether you agree with it or not, whether you think it would be suicide to even try, that includes a civil war if necessary.

You know what else is ironic btw? You quoting Elbridge Gerry in your sig. He was one of the few people at the Constitutional Convention that did not sign the Constitution. Do you know why? It was because it did not secure peoples liberties at the time it was signed. Including the very liberties that you threaten in your post. He was a man that knew what liberty was. Unlike the person that is quoting him. As proven by his quote here:

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I thought that you were going to prove "threats".

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ModerationNow! said:

As always, the left are pushing their fundamentally dishonest, anti-2nd amendment propaganda. When you listen to them(the media, democrats, progressive activists), you would think that gun crime is way up since the early 90s when the 1994 assault weapons ban was enacted. But the truth is that gun crime has dropped almost in half since then! There are MANY other intentional lies told by the leftist elite in the media and elsewhere, but that's a whole other topic.

We have known for a LONG time that the left want to completely repeal the 2nd amendment and have the govt forcibly disarm tens of millions of law abiding Americans(as usual, it's conservatives who must 'sacrifice' in the name of left wing political advancement, never progressives).

For decades they have denied a plan to repeal or weaken constitutional rights, or specifically disarm the population). But all along we have known better. If only progressives took the time to verify the daily propaganda that they are fed, they would realize how much THEY have been deceived as well.

We support the NRA, because they not only protect that one civil liberty, but they also help prevent the left from setting a legal precedent of civil liberties repeal. That's because we know they WILL NOT stop with just 1 amendment. Given time and power, the left will make it illegal For a citizen to dissent against their govt. They are setting the framework and precedent for that in the UK and Canada now.

Right now, all you have to do is Google "repeal 2nd amendment", and you'll see activist journalists at the NYT, PBS, and elsewhere, calling for the population to be disarmed completely. That's in addition to certain democrats, radical judges, etc.

In other words, they were lying all along, and now they have manipulated a small minority of Americans to support them. As I mentioned earlier^, you progressives are being deceived every day, and although it won't be you who sacrifices if this happens(as usual), eventually you WILL sacrifice! That's because this political movement is going to lead to oppression and unhappiness that makes 2018 look like the best year ever.....

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LMAO like with all dishonest partisan retarded hack posts whether they come from right or left Ill simply choose a fact to post that ruins your whole false narrative

MILLIONS on the left own guns and support the 2nd amendment.

your post fails.
just like when people claim
"the left" is against Christianity (millions of them are christian)
"the right" are against gay rights (millions of them support equal rights)
etc etc etc

Posts like yours are laughable and all part of the same problem:2wave:

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ModerationNow! said:

As always, the left are pushing their fundamentally dishonest SNIP

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Another post in which a denizen of the Right insists on being entitled to define the terms of debate AND ALSO speak for liberals.
They've been doing it for forty years, they've even devoted hundreds of millions in setting up "think tanks" to manufacture their own revisionist history and create boilerplate dogma.

"The Left says this, the Left thinks that, the Left is intent on doing this", the Left, the Left, the Left...
And all without ever sitting down and talking TO the Left, or asking anyone FROM the Left for their input.
Well, they don't WANT input from the Left, that would mean that they'd have to actually climb down off their bully pulpit.

And face some inconvenient truths...like the fact that plenty of people on the Left own guns, just for starters.

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lurchadams said:

Yep, we all have secret meetings behind every Whole Foods store and sing about how we're coming to take your guns away during our drum circles!

For eight years right-wing nuts were ringing their hands about how Barack Obama was coming for their guns. Right-wing militias were buying out WalMarts of guns and ammo and hoarding them in their "Dr. Suess" style huts.

Smith and Wesson really appreciates it when righties spew the "they're coming to get my guns" paranoia. It drives their gun sales way up. Do gun manufacturers pay a commission for doing this?

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:lamo Perfect!!!

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MrMike said:

It's not like those on the desperate Left wouldn't want that (arrest for tweets) if they could get it...

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No actually, if someone posted a tweet or a Facebook post where they're talking about how wonderful it would be if those ovens could be fired up again to burn more Jews, or a tweet about how black people are really beasts of the field, or how gay people should have their nutsacks ripped from them with a rusty blade, or how anyone who votes Democratic should be shot, I can think of a lot of things more satisfying than arresting them.

I'd much rather that person got dragged into the town square by a multitude of people, and tied to a pole so that we could all take turns with a Louisville Slugger.
Then they could go free again! That would be incredibly satisfying.

You see, when the herd goes down to the watering hole, and one or two members of the herd starts giving the rest of the herd the stink-eye for no good reason other than they think they have the right to intimidate everyone, it is the job of the rest of the herd to levy a little bit of street justice on them.

But since we are not a herd of animals, we're forced to settle for the more civilized rule of law instead, and we put our trust in civil servants instead.
Because nearly all these jerk-off fantasies about people being arrested for a social media post usually boil down to cases where the person posting said something intended to incite hatred and violence, for the purpose of mass intimidation.

Karl Popper had a lot to say about the importance of not tolerating intolerance.

The idea is, those civil servants are supposed to represent some sort of moral code, as long as they aren't too corrupt, that is. That has to be dealt with too, when that happens, which is why both Left and Right CAN INDEED come to SOME appreciation of the Second Amendment in some form or other.

But as long as one side continues to speak FOR the other side, and will not tolerate any input which creates inconvenient truths that dismantle their paranoid fearmongering dogma, we'll just keep losing more and more chances to respect what politics really is, the art of the possible.

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MrMike said:

It's not like those on the desperate Left wouldn't want that (arrest for tweets) if they could get it...

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ModerationNow! said:

Stop personally insulting people! I'm pretty sure there are rules against calling someone an a**hole! This is supposed to be a place for intelligent debate, not bitter, angry personal insults. What I posted is true, all you have to do is READ AND USE GOOGLE to learn the truth! It's literally seconds away. If you can't be civil, please don't bother answering my posts or threads in the future.

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Your entire OP was an insult.