Another Excuse to Avoid Blaming Hillary Clinton

The hand-wringing, declarations of collusion, and every other stone that can be turned to find an excuse for why the most (un)qualified Democrat candidate who was destined to win in a landslide (per Democrat pollsters) lost to a billionaire TV reality star continue to mount. I'd pretty much have to consider there is some level of a mental disorder (group psychosis) going on still in Liberalville.

However, the most recent excuse hunt has decided that Facebook and Cambridge Analytica are the new culprits. This **** just doesn't get any funnier.

I have two different stories on this to post (both in this same thread) and each makes excellent points. Read and weep, deny, or whatever...eace

Another Excuse to Avoid Blaming Hillary Clinton

March 23, 2018
Have you ever paid to use a social media service? Does Facebook send you a bill each month, or Twitter demand a credit card for use of its service? When you log into Google, does it force you to pay before searching the web or checking email? Of course not. The reason is that you are the product. You no more pay Facebook for your ability to use its services than a banana pays a store for the right to be put on a shelf for purchase. You may not think of yourself as a product. You may not have a UPC barcode label on you. But you are a valuable commodity being sold by these companies. These companies' customers are called advertisers, who buy your data profiles and then target you with ads for their goods and services.

Last week, it came to light that people who took a humorous test on Facebook to see which Disney princess they most closely matched were actually being profiled by the test creator. You may have thought the test creator really cared which Disney princess you were, but really they cared about who you are. Facebook allowed the test creator to offer the test and collect psychographic information about you to identify your personality and, from that, extrapolate the issues that motivate you to take actions like voting or buying a new toothbrush.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a..._to_avoid_blaming_hillary_clinton_136607.html

This one hits it hard (with reality) about the group-psychosis going on in Liberalville... Maybe they can sing "Let it go" from Frozen a few times for therapy?

I strongly suggest reading the entire linked article. It is well done.

Hillary Clinton, Not Donald Trump or Cambridge Analytica, Is Gaslighting America
When can we as a country admit that the "most-qualified candidate in history" lost the 2016 election and get on with living our lives?

The election of Donald Trump hasn't just brought a poorly mannered reality TV star into the Oval Office and our newsfeeds. It has also popularized the concept of gaslighting, or tricking rational people into thinking they're insane. The phrase is a reference to a 1944 movie in which Charles Boyer tries to convince his young bride, played by Ingrid Bergman, that she's nuts so he can cover up a murder and search for jewels hidden in the house they share (the house's gas lamps flicker due to Boyer's late-night searches, hence the title).

Go Google "Donald Trump is gaslighting America" and you'll find a constantly growing list of stories from outlets ranging from CNN to Teen Vogue to Vanity Fair to Refinery 29. The common thread is some variation on the theme that Trump's brazen lies, misstatements, and rhetorical sleights of hand are designed to drive us all bat**** crazy by contradicting what we plainly see happening to the United States of America. At rock bottom, Trump's detractors believe there is simply no way that he could have legitimately won the 2016 election, especially against Hillary Clinton, of whom President Obama said, "I don't think that there's ever been someone so qualified to hold this office."

https://reason.com/blog/2018/03/22/hillary-clinton-not-donald-trump-or-camb

MMC, welcome back.

Utility Man said:

MMC, welcome back.

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Eh...MMC?

LOL! spot on...

MrMike said:

The hand-wringing, declarations of collusion, and every other stone that can be turned to find an excuse for why the most (un)qualified Democrat candidate who was destined to win in a landslide (per Democrat pollsters) lost to a billionaire TV reality star continue to mount. I'd pretty much have to consider there is some level of a mental disorder (group psychosis) going on still in Liberalville.

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If I was trying to sell you a nice dependable low mileage Toyota Camry, and you instead bought a ****ty high mileage Camaro with the check engine light on from a ****ty used car salesman that broke down within three months who's fault is it? There are three people involved in this transaction. The Camary Salesman, the Camaro Salesman, and you. Please arrange them in order of who deserves the most blame to the least blame...

The obvious answer to this question is that you would be the most to blame for letting yourself be swindled. The Camaro Salesman would be second since he clearly swindled you for his own benefit. But the Toyota salesmen was trying to help you avoid a terrible mistake. Even if she stood to benefit from you buying the Camry, she was still trying to steer you away from the Camaro, and you didn't listen.

The Donald Trump Presidency is an absolute ****ing disaster. It is highly unlikely he will even get to 2020 without getting himself impeached. He's struggling to find anybody that is even willing to work in his white house out of fear that their association with him will destroy their careers. Electing Donald Trump is among the top 10 worst decisions that the United States of America has ever made. The list looks something like this...

1a.) American Indian genocide
1b.) Slavery
3.) Vietnam
4.) Iraq War
5.) Jim Crow and Segregation
6.) Electing Trump
7.) Prohibition
8.) War on Drugs
9.) Hiroshima
10.) Installing the Shaw of Iran.

I don't give a flying **** what you think you know about Hillary Clinton there is no way that a sane human being could attempt to claim that we as a country would be in worse shape today had she been elected.

So who's fault is it? Why are you trying to blame the person who tried desperately to help you make a better choice?

MrMike said:

LOL! spot on...

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So a woman is a ****ty person because of who she married, but the man himself isn't? I'll make sure I never vote for Melania Trump then cause she has to be the single worse human being on earth.

MrWonka said:

If I was trying to sell you a nice dependable low mileage Toyota Camry, and you instead bought a ****ty high mileage Camaro with the check engine light on from a ****ty used car salesman that broke down within three months who's fault is it? There are three people involved in this transaction. The Camary Salesman, the Camaro Salesman, and you. Please arrange them in order of who deserves the most blame to the least blame...

The obvious answer to this question is that you would be the most to blame for letting yourself be swindled. The Camaro Salesman would be second since he clearly swindled you for his own benefit. But the Toyota salesmen was trying to help you avoid a terrible mistake. Even if she stood to benefit from you buying the Camry, she was still trying to steer you away from the Camaro, and you didn't listen.

The Donald Trump Presidency is an absolute ****ing disaster. It is highly unlikely he will even get to 2020 without getting himself impeached. He's struggling to find anybody that is even willing to work in his white house out of fear that their association with him will destroy their careers. Electing Donald Trump is among the top 10 worst decisions that the United States of America has ever made. The list looks something like this...

1a.) American Indian genocide
1b.) Slavery
3.) Vietnam
4.) Iraq War
5.) Jim Crow and Segregation
6.) Electing Trump
7.) Prohibition
8.) War on Drugs
9.) Hiroshima
10.) Installing the Shaw of Iran.

I don't give a flying **** what you think you know about Hillary Clinton there is no way that a sane human being could attempt to claim that we as a country would be in worse shape today had she been elected.

So who's fault is it? Why are you trying to blame the person who tried desperately to help you make a better choice?

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If you thought/think the incompetent corrupt Cackling Candidate the Dems put forward was a better choice there’s really not any path to recovery possible. Enjoy your Clinton car, the Russians put gas in it.

MrWonka said:

So a woman is a ****ty person because of who she married, but the man himself isn't? I'll make sure I never vote for Melania Trump then cause she has to be the single worse human being on earth.

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Good. Please don’t vote for Melania. I hope you recover from the Hillary defeat soon. It pains me to see such suffering and angst across the board from her loyalists.

MrWonka said:

So a woman is a ****ty person because of who she married, but the man himself isn't? I'll make sure I never vote for Melania Trump then cause she has to be the single worse human being on earth.

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Interesting - I thought the major comparison had to do with Mrs Clinton mocking married women voters in the US ... you know ... the ones who have to ask their husbands how to vote?

I go with Malcolm Gladwell's verdict. Secretary Clinton lost because she is a woman.

MrMike said:

Good. Please don’t vote for Melania. I hope you recover from the Hillary defeat soon. It pains me to see such suffering and angst across the board from her loyalists.

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What's very ironic about your post is that you started this thread about Hillary Clinton by citing something written by Erick Erickson, the uber-conservative blogger, and you're talking about others "recovering" from the Hillary defeat? No liberal or anyone who supported Clinton started this thread. You did. It would appear that you can't move past the Hilary defeat and into the present, not MrWonka.

tres borrachos said:

What's very ironic about your post is that you started this thread about Hillary Clinton by citing something written by Erick Erickson, the uber-conservative blogger, and you're talking about others "recovering" from the Hillary defeat? No liberal or anyone who supported Clinton started this thread. You did. It would appear that you can't move past the Hilary defeat and into the present, not MrWonka.

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Hillary can't move past her defeat and continues on her "pity me" tour of blaming everyone except herself...

I look forward to cackles next tumble down a flight of stairs, bathtub, off a cliff... etc. etc. lol

MrMike said:

Hillary can't move past her defeat and continues on her "pity me" tour of blaming everyone except herself...

I look forward to cackles next tumble down a flight of stairs, bathtub, off a cliff... etc. etc. lol

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You gotta be kidding, Hillary has blamed almost no one, yet Trump finds someone to blame every single day.

MrMike said:

Hillary can't move past her defeat and continues on her "pity me" tour of blaming everyone except herself...

I look forward to cackles next tumble down a flight of stairs, bathtub, off a cliff... etc. etc. lol

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So if she can't move from her defeat, why are you suggesting that her voters, assuming MrWonka was one, can't move from it? He didn't start this thread or any other that I'm aware of about it. You did.

Floridafan said:

You gotta be kidding, Hillary has blamed almost no one, yet Trump finds someone to blame every single day.

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ROTFLMAO!

What Happened: The long list of who Hillary Clinton blames - BBC News

There are so many news stories on the different things, people, etc. Hillary blames for her loss to Trump. Heck, I'm surprised she hasn't blamed Global Warming yet (it's probably in the list though!).

She cannot understand why her own incompetence and aura of corruption should have affected the outcome of the election. Heck, the DNC and Hillary even rigged it to keep Bernie from winning the nomination. Dangit, it must be those Russians eh?

Btw... given cackles is a two-time loser, what did she blame when Obama trounced her?

MrMike said:

At rock bottom, Trump's detractors believe there is simply no way that he could have legitimately won the 2016 election, especially against Hillary Clinton, of whom President Obama said, "I don't think that there's ever been someone so qualified to hold this office.

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There's a lot packed into that sentence. Especially shady is the apparent presupposition that Trump's detractors believe it is not possible for him to have won legitimately. What most Trump detractors who have an opinion on the legitimacy of the election believe is that he in fact did not win legitimately--that is, in the actual world, he did not win legitimately. That claim has nothing to do with whether or not there is any possible world in which he might have won legitimately. If Trump detractors acknowledge that such a possible world exists, those detractors believe it is possible for him to have won legitimately. One can consistently hold that x is possible, but that actually, ~x.

ashurbanipal said:

There's a lot packed into that sentence. Especially shady is the apparent presupposition that Trump's detractors believe it is not possible for him to have won legitimately. What most Trump detractors who have an opinion on the legitimacy of the election believe is that he in fact did not win legitimately--that is, in the actual world, he did not win legitimately. That claim has nothing to do with whether or not there is any possible world in which he might have won legitimately. If Trump detractors acknowledge that such a possible world exists, those detractors believe it is possible for him to have won legitimately. One can consistently hold that x is possible, but that actually, ~x.

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Considering Trump received far less votes, it can easily be said he did not win legitimately. That said, HillBill is not in politics anymore and seems to be used as a distraction tool every time Trump does something stupid or unflattering (almost daily).

MrMike said:

Eh...MMC?

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It was a bad faith post by someone attempting to troll and bait you.

Floridafan said:

You gotta be kidding, Hillary has blamed almost no one, yet Trump finds someone to blame every single day.

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Are you serious? :lamo Who has she NOT blamed? Seriously? LOL Here's a List of Everyone & Everything Hillary Has Blamed for Her Loss | Fox News Insider

tecoyah said:

Considering Trump received far less votes, it can easily be said he did not win legitimately. That said, HillBill is not in politics anymore and seems to be used as a distraction tool every time Trump does something stupid or unflattering (almost daily).

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That is funny, I suggest researching how the EC works, then your post wont be so foolish and laughable.

Slingshot Bob said:

That is funny, I suggest researching how the EC works, then your post wont be so foolish and laughable.

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I am well aware of the details of our electoral college and do not appreciate the rather pathetic jab attempt. I would point out the accuracy of my reply and thus where a fool label would be more fitting.

tecoyah said:

I am well aware of the details of our electoral college and do not appreciate the rather pathetic jab attempt. I would point out the accuracy of my reply and thus where a fool label would be more fitting.

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It was not a "jab" but a reply you should have expected from such a comment. Care to argue how he did not "legitimately" win the election? The popular vote is secondary to the EC.

Slingshot Bob said:

It was not a "jab" but a reply you should have expected from such a comment. Care to argue how he did not "legitimately" win the election? The popular vote is secondary to the EC.

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Had you bothered to read and understand my commentary you would have noted the "Can easily be said" indicator rather than a statement of fact.

tecoyah said:

Had you bothered to read and understand my commentary you would have noted the "Might" indicator rather than a statement of fact.

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Mites, grow on a dogs butt, next to the if's and, buts.

I read your comment, but why would I try to understand such nonsense? I understand the statement you made is nonsense, else you would have explained it...mehh.